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[Saaziel]

She's terribly written ; Inconsistent , incoherent & purposeless.

By far the worst character in the series; Its obvious they had no idea what Liara was about aside from an alternative romance. After the events of ME1 & the fan base she acquired online they had to "Frankenstein" their way to a DLC . How she'll end up acting in ME3 can only make matters worst ; So she went from a child prodigy scientist love interest , to a ruthless corporate administrator , to a criminal Mastermind in charge of a information gathering & privately armed force , to a quasi squad mate / romance thing (According to ME3 rumours) , P-lease! frankly i wished they had placed a Renegade interrupt in LotSB ;

Liara "Is it wrong for me to want this ... With this ... With this .. I could ... I could ..."
-Renegade interrupt-
Sheppard " Yes it is Liara " *BAM!* *DEAD* " You're completely ruthless , next you'll want to build your own Reaper... Also your dialogue is just god awful ; the pretend internal struggle , the forced stuttering , i can't stand the cheeky "back and forth" we had in this DLC."

There , done, gone forever.

Its not that i don't appreciate her. Taken separately its not an issue, but consecutively she's held together with the flimsiest pretext. By Asari standard she's a child , being an information broker is nothing like an Archaeologist , where the hell did she learn to run an intergalactic organisation... And also , what the hell killed the Shadow broker ? What's that energy on the celling? Is it "information" ? Its suppose to be symbolic ? Why the hell would anyone have a giant electrical circle thing in their office.... But i digress.

Point is that anything involved with Liara makes no sense.

Modifié par Saaziel, 07 mai 2011 - 08:58 .

[corporal doody]

i dunno dude....you can say that bout anyone in ME1 and 2 then

Modifié par corporal doody, 07 mai 2011 - 08:58 .

[Saaziel]

Maybe .

But for the most part they're kept within a reasonable context ; Garrus from cop to vigilante? Ok. Tali from tech-girl to mission leader ? Yeah maybe. Liara from damsel in distress to ruthless killer? Yeah how did that happen again Liara ?

Liara " Well , being an information broker is a lot like being a Prothean expert."
Shepard " Huh ?"

If they had explored the Asari psychology it might gone down better. Perhaps its an Asari coping mechanism... To go on a murderous rampage and have a fun time about it when you lose someone close. But alas they went with the Shadowbroker = damsel Scientist .

[corporal doody]

you're simplifying things. you can also say shep has been on a murderous rampage since me1. he has a much larger bodycount

[Saaziel]

Indeed.

You either play a Hypocrite or a Psychopath (Paragon & Renegade respectively)

I don't see how this line of investigation has anything to do with Liara as a character though.

[Wulfram]

ME1 Liara slotted easily into what's effectively an elite commando unit, helped kill her own mother and saved the galaxy. Not really a damsel in distress by my standards.

[Saaziel]

The forcefield rescue and the subsequent fainting on the Normandy placed her in my "Peaches" category . Krogan / Bowser resemblance not withstanding.

I don't place too much emphasis on Killing her mother or saving the galaxy since its something that could have been done with out her. Why she tags along seems to be , in my opinion , mere curiosity , not bloodthirstyness .

I think characters are , generally , define outside of combat . Martial affinity is an other question ; As a biotic it wouldn't make much sense for her to be using RPGs for example. Also from a gaming perspective it wouldn't make sense to have her as a squad mate if she couldn't do much. Again, The princess in Mario joins in on the fight , while still being a damsel in distress.


(edit: typos , a lot of them)

Modifié par Saaziel, 07 mai 2011 - 09:31 .

[Apollo Starflare]

I was impressed with the fact that she actually grew as a character, and in a direction that made sense given everything she went through post ME1. People change, and in her case it wasn't even that big a change. Some people were just far too attached to how she came across in the first game.

[Clonedzero]

well i liked her character development actually. made me like her character alot more.

she went from being a kinda creepy prothean obsessed scientist girl to being a badass.

she obviously has a obsessive personality. since the whole prothean thing gets "solved" she obsesses about other things.

[Barquiel]

I'm not the biggest fan of the comic series. But apart from that, no complaints.

[Neria Rose]

Turran wrote...

I liked her, she actually showed some character progression. She handled it rather, humanly if I may say so myself.
Her bestfriend/first mate, was killed while sending her away to get to a safe distance, she would of deeply cared for Shepard, romanced or not. I think the fact she has almost grown up from how she was into a more determined character was a good thing. I liked it alot.

My current Shepards pick her up last (as in, doing her mission last out of every single main and side mission) in ME1 and are not nice to her. They do not like her. And yet she still went after them. Who "can't let go" of the body of someone who doesn't like them? Who (and I only just found this out today) keeps a piece of the armor belonging to someone who didn't like them in their apartment for two years?

I mean, I had originally only watched bits and pieces of LotSB on youtube, but now I've seen the whole thing, and while the bits and pieces originally made me think perhaps she gained a couple of points (like going from 0/10 to 3/10), seeing the whole thing just makes her creepier than ever. Seriously.

Honestly, I kind of just wish a Bioware rep would come out and say "Liara is an exception to the choices you can make as Shepard. Meaning you don't have a real choice, all Shepards must feel at least indifferently about her."

[Asari_Party]

Neria Rose wrote...


Honestly, I kind of just wish a Bioware rep would come out and say "Liara is an exception to the choices you can make as Shepard. Meaning you don't have a real choice, all Shepards must feel at least indifferently about her."

You can skip Garrus in ME1 and he's still all buddy buddy in ME2.
You can treat Tali like garbage in ME1. And yet she is still recruitable and out of nowhere she has feelings for Shepard.

Biased much?

[Neria Rose]

Roxy12 wrote...

Neria Rose wrote...


Honestly, I kind of just wish a Bioware rep would come out and say "Liara is an exception to the choices you can make as Shepard. Meaning you don't have a real choice, all Shepards must feel at least indifferently about her."

You can skip Garrus in ME1 and he's still all buddy buddy in ME2.
You can treat Tali like garbage in ME1. And yet she is still recruitable and out of nowhere she has feelings for Shepard.

Biased much?

Did they go after Shepard's body or move on like normal people? Do they have pieces of said dead person that they've held onto for years?

[CroGamer002]

mrsph wrote...

Legion and Liara.

Not so different.

wat

[Asari_Party]

Neria Rose wrote...


Did they go after Shepard's body or move on like normal people? Do they have pieces of said dead person that they've held onto for years?

Liara wasn't the only one looking for Shepard. And we saw Garrus' or Tali's apartment, right?

[CroGamer002]

mrsph wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...
wat

They like to collect Shepard's armor off her corpse.

Well technically they didn't pick his/hers armor from his/hers corpse since corpse was removed long time ago.

At least I can say that for Legion.

[Neria Rose]

Roxy12 wrote...

Neria Rose wrote...


Did they go after Shepard's body or move on like normal people? Do they have pieces of said dead person that they've held onto for years?

Liara wasn't the only one looking for Shepard. And we saw Garrus' or Tali's apartment, right?

And? Were any of the former squadmates from ME1 looking for Shepard's corpse except for Liara?

Nope, no apartment for either. And no indication that they'd have Shepard mementos aside from memories.

Modifié par Neria Rose, 07 mai 2011 - 09:58 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Neria Rose wrote...
And? Were any of the former squadmembers from ME1 looking for Shepard's corpse except for Liara?

Nope, no apartment for either. And no indication that they'd have Shepard mementos aside from memories.

AFAIK Liara recieved an annomonys tip that Shepard's body had been found and was going to be sold to the Collectors.

[CroGamer002]

mrsph wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...
Well technically they didn't pick his/hers armor from his/hers corpse since corpse was removed long time ago.

At least I can say that for Legion.

I was kidding.

I don't know, I was always suspicions with Liara.

Not to backstab me but she seems to be even bigger stalker then Legion.

[Neria Rose]

Lizardviking wrote...

AFAIK Liara recieved an annomonys tip that Shepard's body had been found and was going to be sold to the Collectors.

That doesn't explain what would possess her to go after it, however. My Shepard, Rose Shepard, doesn't like Liara and never hid it. She may be the only Shepard out of all of the millions created who genuinely can't stand Liara, and if that's so, then so be it. But why would you 'save' the body of someone who only dealt with you on an as needed basis?

[lolwut666]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

lolwut666 wrote...

The problem with Liara is that she is just weird.

No rational person would go to such lenghts to find and acquire another person's body, and then hand that body over to some organization in the hopes that they could bring that person back to life.

First off, that last bit was collateral damage. The main thing in Redemption was less about getting Shepard's body than about stopping the Collectors from acquiring it (under the premise of Whatever They Want, It Can't Be Good™). Re-acquiring the body occurs as a necessary part of that, and giving it to Cerberus was an option that makes sense once you already have the body--are you going to burn the thing, or take the chance that Cerberus can put some life back in it? Which of those two seems more tempting to you?

Liara also didn't go out of her way on her own, it was something Cerberus headhunted her to do. None of the others were involved in that because none of the others happened to be called in by Cerberus to do this.

She was looking for Shepard before she knew about the Collectors or was contacted by Cerberus.

[corporal doody]

same reason a Garrus or a Tali would join someone who treated them on a as needed basis. Thats how it was written

Modifié par corporal doody, 07 mai 2011 - 10:06 .