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[Barquiel]

Lizardviking wrote...


AFAIK Liara recieved an annomonys tip that Shepard's body had been found and was going to be sold to the Collectors.

That's how I understand it as well.

"Shepard was lost (...) Now Shepard's friends - including the intrepid asari Liara - want answers..."

Liara gets the anonymous tip about Feron...Liara travels to Omega.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Neria Rose wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

AFAIK Liara recieved an annomonys tip that Shepard's body had been found and was going to be sold to the Collectors.

That doesn't explain what would possess her to go after it, however. My Shepard, Rose Shepard, doesn't like Liara and never hid it. She may be the only Shepard out of all of the millions created who genuinely can't stand Liara, and if that's so, then so be it. But why would you 'save' the body of someone who only dealt with you on an as needed basis?

To show some respect to the person who litteraly saved her life (even if it was just buisness) and saved the galaxy? You can atleast recover the body and make sure an entire race of creepy bugs don't get it. As for when she handed it over to Cerberus? From a pragmatic standpoint, it's because the Reapers are still out there. From a more emotional level, giving Shepard a second chance.

But I admit that the "I couldn't let you go" line felt misplaced if you did not romance her.

[lolwut666]

Like I said earlier, she was looking for Shepard's body before she knew about the Collectors' intentions and was contacted by Cerberus.

Her obsessiveness is too over-the-top.

And that such an odd personality trait is only benefical to herself and those around her makes her a big Mary Sue.

Modifié par lolwut666, 07 mai 2011 - 10:17 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

lolwut666 wrote...

Like I said earlier, she was looking for Shepard's body before she knew about the Collectors' intentions and was contacted by Cerberus.

Even if she did not know about the Collectors she still knew about someone finding Shepard's body. So she went after it in order to atleast be able to give Shepard a proper burial.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 07 mai 2011 - 10:30 .

[Neria Rose]

Lizardviking wrote...

To show some respect to the person who litteraly saved her life (even if it was just buisness) and saved the galaxy? You can atleast recover the body and make sure an entire race of creepy bugs don't get it. As for when she handed it over to Cerberus? From a pragmatic standpoint, it's because the Reapers are still out there. From a more emotional level, giving Shepard a second chance.

But I admit that the "I couldn't let you go" line felt misplaced if you did not romance her.

I really can't wrap my mind around the idea of risking your life to retrieve the corpse of someone who didn't care for you, savior or not. It's a corpse. And while I believe in respecting the dead, of course, there are limits. Not peeing on someone's grave or very gently dressing a cadaver for burial is one thing while going out into the reaches of space and risking death yourself is something else entirely.

And if said dead person did care for you, don't you think they'd want you to move on?

As a side note, I don't care one way or the other about her giving the body to Cerberus. I believe they would have gotten their hands on it without her if they wanted it badly enough.

At any rate, Borderlands with the boyfriend is calling my name.

[lolwut666]

Lizardviking wrote...

lolwut666 wrote...

Like I said earlier, she was looking for Shepard's body before she knew about the Collectors' intentions and was contacted by Cerberus.

Even if she did not know about the Collectors she still knew about someone finding Shepard's body. So she went after it in order to atleast be able to give Shepard a proper burial.

Like I said, over-the-top.

You don't go on a cross-galaxy trip just to give someone a "proper burial".

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Neria Rose wrote...
And if said dead person did care for you, don't you think they'd want you to move on?

True. But being able to give a proper goodbye would help with that no?

As for the rest. Whaddya do? ME2 seemed to retcon Shepard's relationship with his former team so that they were all best friends. 

[AdmiralCheez]

Lizardviking wrote...

As for the rest. Whaddya do? ME2 seemed to retcon Shepard's relationship with his former team so that they were all best friends. 

As those brotastic moments were some of the best parts of ME2, it wan an acceptable retcon.  Besides, it's kind of hard not to bond with the people you saved the galaxy with.

That and nostalgia tends to rosy up the past a little.  Look at how many people miss the Mako.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

lolwut666 wrote...

Like I said, over-the-top.

You don't go on a cross-galaxy trip just to give someone a "proper burial".

Travelling around the galaxy does not seem to difficult. And how was she supposed to know that trying to get the body back would lead her into conflict with merc groups and collectors?

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

AdmiralCheez wrote...
As those brotastic moments were some of the best parts of ME2, it wan an acceptable retcon.  Besides, it's kind of hard not to bond with the people you saved the galaxy with.

That and nostalgia tends to rosy up the past a little.  Look at how many people miss the Mako.

I don't mind them. Althrough it does result in some of my Shepard's acting OOC from time to time.

[Barquiel]

lolwut666 wrote...

Like I said, over-the-top.

You don't go on a cross-galaxy trip just to give someone a "proper burial".

She wanted a confirmation that Shep is really dead. That's the dialogue...

Feron: I do know where Commander Shepard is. But you won't like what I have to tell you.
Liara: Dead?
Feron: Yes...or very close to it (...) Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

[lolwut666]

Lizardviking wrote...

lolwut666 wrote...

Like I said, over-the-top.

You don't go on a cross-galaxy trip just to give someone a "proper burial".

Travelling around the galaxy does not seem to difficult. And how was she supposed to know that trying to get the body back would lead her into conflict with merc groups and collectors?

She should've expected it, since she was going to Omega. Not the Collector part, but that it was going to be dangerous.

And she was almost raped by the batarians who took her there on their ship.

Risking your life to recover a corpse is very much over-the-top.

[Wulfram]

She spent the previous 40 years risking her life looking for rather older corpses.

[lolwut666]

That was her job. And those corpses and artifacts she was looking for were relics.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

lolwut666 wrote...
She should've expected it, since she was going to Omega. Not the Collector part, but that it was going to be dangerous.

And she was almost raped by the batarians who took her there on their ship.

Risking your life to recover a corpse is very much over-the-top.

Liara has proven that she has and can deal with a few thugs on her own. So the original plan was proberly not as dangerous as you make it sound.

[AlexMBrennan]

lolwut666 wrote ages ago...
No rational person would go to such lenghts to find and acquire another person's body

You're assuming that there is such a thing as a "rational person". Also, Liara clearly had strong feelings for Shepard, and people in love sometimes do stupid things.

[lolwut666]

@Lizardviking

Doesn't change the fact that it is odd to go though all this trouble to recover a corpse.

And Liara's character in Redemption was absolutely horrid. They just tried to emphasize her Mary Sue-ness.

Feron tells Liara about how Cerberus is horrible and their history with aliens. By itself, that's not enough to make anybody distrust them, but Liara saw with her own eyes what Cerberus did during ME1, and yet she's all like "Maybe they're not untrustworthy".

Everything single guess by Liara turns out right, and she is also shown to be an almost peerless fighter, and she gains skills as the plot demands.

There's a lot wrong with her character.

[Clover Rider]

mrsph wrote...

I think at least part of it is because they didn't know how to handle Liara post Mass Effect. Most of her meager plot points were wrapped up in one, leaving her with nothing else unless you romanced her. So they had to find something to allow her character to progress.

Whether it worked or not is up to you.

Funny, I always thought the reason(more like one of the reasons) Liara and the VS were left out of ME2 was that they could not come up with anything for them to do past ME1.

[Clover Rider]

mrsph wrote...

They seemed to have caught on though. Since most of the LI's character development doesn't revolve around Shepard anymore.

Liara has the Shadowbroker.
Tali has the geth/quarian conflict
Kaidan/Ashley have the Alliance
Jacob has the Alliance, or Cerberus
Miranda has her sister
Thane has Kolyat, and his disease
Jack still sort of suffers from what Liara did in Mass Effect, being built as a romance and not a character
Garrus has his family.

Yup now everyone but Jack has a plot. Makes me wonder what they will do with her?

[Slavka13748]

I... have a lot of issues with Liara and how she was handled. Her whole character is creepy as hell, even in ME1. I tried to like her, I honestly did, but something just set me on edge. Maybe because the first thing she does is force you to mind meld with her, or that the first proper conversation is about her wanting to 'study' Shepard. Or maybe it's just the voice.

ME2 and LotSB just made it very, very clear that you were 'supposed' to romance her - maybe the obsessiveness makes slightly more sense then. And the hug when you meet her on Ilium. And again in the cabin chat. I like the conversation there, so I can't just skip it, but the hug is kinda ridiculous in my head canon. For the record, my Shepard was nothing but a **** to Liara, so it seems kind of unlikely that she 'couldn't let [Shepard] go'.

Oh, and the whole giving Shepard to Cerberus thing. She saw all the crap they did in ME1, and still thought it was a good idea? And what if Shepard didn't want to be resurrected?

Er, that turned into a bit of a rant, didn't it? Sorry if I come off as hating on Liara. I don't like the character, but I have nothing against people who do. I'd just prefer it if there were a few more dialogue options when dealing with her - LotSB caused some seriously OOC moments for my roleplaying.

[Seboist]

Slavka13748 wrote...

I... have a lot of issues with Liara and how she was handled. Her whole character is creepy as hell, even in ME1. I tried to like her, I honestly did, but something just set me on edge. Maybe because the first thing she does is force you to mind meld with her, or that the first proper conversation is about her wanting to 'study' Shepard. Or maybe it's just the voice.

ME2 and LotSB just made it very, very clear that you were 'supposed' to romance her - maybe the obsessiveness makes slightly more sense then. And the hug when you meet her on Ilium. And again in the cabin chat. I like the conversation there, so I can't just skip it, but the hug is kinda ridiculous in my head canon. For the record, my Shepard was nothing but a **** to Liara, so it seems kind of unlikely that she 'couldn't let [Shepard] go'.

Oh, and the whole giving Shepard to Cerberus thing. She saw all the crap they did in ME1, and still thought it was a good idea? And what if Shepard didn't want to be resurrected?

Er, that turned into a bit of a rant, didn't it? Sorry if I come off as hating on Liara. I don't like the character, but I have nothing against people who do. I'd just prefer it if there were a few more dialogue options when dealing with her - LotSB caused some seriously OOC moments for my roleplaying.

You're not the only one who thinks that of her,she came off as some kind of creepy celebrity stalker type to me . She started asking my Shep within the first or second convo on the ship if she felt a "strong connection" with her and I was like "...... the hell? Shep just met you!". She seemed to be more interested in dissecting Shepard in a lab than being her friend or lover.

By far the most disturbing "romance" in any Bioware game i've seen.