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[nranola]

Liara came off to me as simply trying to act tough. Come on, "Asari commando unit"? "Flay you with my mind"?

That line of dialogue where she confesses about being the one who handed Shepard over to Cerberus (easy to miss), her breakdown in LotSB, and a few other scenes convince me that she's still the Liara we know from ME1. I think she was just trying to put up a brave face and cope with everything that's happened to her.

[Golden Owl]

In ME1, I found Liara all right....too soft in the center...but all right.

Then you meet Liara again in ME2....threatening to flay some guy with her mind and then moving onto her attitude in LotSB, ruthless, everyone's expendable kinda deal. Had found Liara adequate in ME1, but cold blooded, ruthless wins no favors from me, I'm not looking forward to her being on my team in ME3....Oh well.

Modifié par Golden Owl, 08 mai 2011 - 12:58 .

[XX55XX]

The controversy over Liara's transformation is indicative of how we like to view our characters.

There are some people who would prefer Liara to remain the shy and reserved woman that she was in ME1.

And there are others who want to see some change.

Therein, lies the controversy over her "change", and the debate over whether or not it was rationally presented.

[Seboist]

XX55XX wrote...

The controversy over Liara's transformation is indicative of how we like to view our characters.

There are some people who would prefer Liara to remain the shy and reserved woman that she was in ME1.

And there are others who want to see some change.

Therein, lies the controversy over her "change", and the debate over whether or not it was rationally presented.

I personally prefer ME2 Liara over female John Hinckley ME1 Liara.

[corporal doody]

lolwut666 wrote...

@Lizardviking

Doesn't change the fact that it is odd to go though all this trouble to recover a corpse.

And Liara's character in Redemption was absolutely horrid. They just tried to emphasize her Mary Sue-ness.

Feron tells Liara about how Cerberus is horrible and their history with aliens. By itself, that's not enough to make anybody distrust them, but Liara saw with her own eyes what Cerberus did during ME1, and yet she's all like "Maybe they're not untrustworthy".

Everything single guess by Liara turns out right, and she is also shown to be an almost peerless fighter, and she gains skills as the plot demands.

There's a lot wrong with her character.

DONT YOU EVER SAY THAT TO A INDIVIDUAL SERVING IN THE ARMED FORCES OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
.

WE honor our dead! They arent just bodies....they are brothers. We dont abandon them. We bring them home.
Why should characters in a fictional world not be held to a same standard?

Tali and Garrus wind up working with Shep even though they know what Cerberus is about....so that point is weak sauce. We know THEY told her what she wanted to hear.

and get out of here with that fanboy crap. THIS IS A BIOWARE BOARD and a BIOWARE GAME. EVERYONE HERE IS A FANBOY/GIRL....OR A FREAKIN TROLL

Modifié par corporal doody, 08 mai 2011 - 02:11 .

[lolwut666]

@corporal doody

Stop pulling things out of your ass to justify her behavior.

What you're describing is completely different.

Liara is *one* person, and she is not in the armed forces. She is not under orders, and looking for a body - or anything else - in space is a lot more difficult than anything an "individual serving in the armed forces" would have to do.

I get it that you're a fanboy, but at least try to make some damn sense.

[corporal doody]

Dude....you make a big deal about corpse recovery. i give you a reason. i can tell you dont know. im done with you on that matter. time to move on.

[lolwut666]

No. Some people just like the game without being obsessed losers like you.

You're trying to play the guilt game to favor your side of the argument. You're desperate.

"Move on" is right, because that's exactly what I'm gonna do. I have no time to waste on the likes of you.

[corporal doody]

u mad bro?

dont be mad. I already told you im biased for.

you keep saying the same tired thing over and over. You dont agree with what people say everytime you say it....so you say somemore.  huh. and you dont have to block me. we can be adult about our disagreement...unless i really hit a nerve.

Its all about preception. most often it is based on personal experience. In this matter we have to go on what someone is telling us. Each of experiences are different...so we will view what is going on differently. no biggy.

Modifié par corporal doody, 08 mai 2011 - 02:31 .

[Aggie Punbot]

"Was Liara done right?"

I'm sure a Shepard that romanced her would think so.

[jamesp81]

Oh yeah, she was done right.  Right after the romance scene in ME1.....
Oh wait, that's not what you meant


I liked her presentation in LotSB.  She went through some serious bad **** between ME1 and ME2.  A lot of people would've gone a little bit renegade in that time.

[dreman9999]

Saaziel wrote...

She's terribly written ; Inconsistent , incoherent & purposeless.

By far the worst character in the series; Its obvious they had no idea what Liara was about aside from an alternative romance. After the events of ME1 & the fan base she acquired online they had to "Frankenstein" their way to a DLC . How she'll end up acting in ME3 can only make matters worst ; So she went from a child prodigy scientist love interest , to a ruthless corporate administrator , to a criminal Mastermind in charge of a information gathering & privately armed force , to a quasi squad mate / romance thing (According to ME3 rumours) , P-lease! frankly i wished they had placed a Renegade interrupt in LotSB ;

Liara "Is it wrong for me to want this ... With this ... With this .. I could ... I could ..."
-Renegade interrupt-
Sheppard " Yes it is Liara " *BAM!* *DEAD* " You're completely ruthless , next you'll want to build your own Reaper... Also your dialogue is just god awful ; the pretend internal struggle , the forced stuttering , i can't stand the cheeky "back and forth" we had in this DLC."

There , done, gone forever.

Its not that i don't appreciate her. Taken separately its not an issue, but consecutively she's held together with the flimsiest pretext. By Asari standard she's a child , being an information broker is nothing like an Archaeologist , where the hell did she learn to run an intergalactic organisation... And also , what the hell killed the Shadow broker ? What's that energy on the celling? Is it "information" ? Its suppose to be symbolic ? Why the hell would anyone have a giant electrical circle thing in their office.... But i digress.

Point is that anything involved with Liara makes no sense.

Sometimes./..I just feel like no one's reading may post...Like I'm taking to the wind.......Like a crazy person....Liara crazy level crazy person.

[Xsause]

Roxy12 wrote...

Neria Rose wrote...


Honestly, I kind of just wish a Bioware rep would come out and say "Liara is an exception to the choices you can make as Shepard. Meaning you don't have a real choice, all Shepards must feel at least indifferently about her."

You can skip Garrus in ME1 and he's still all buddy buddy in ME2.
You can treat Tali like garbage in ME1. And yet she is still recruitable and out of nowhere she has feelings for Shepard.

Little detail on Garrus - you can't romance him if you didn't recruit him in ME1.

[rolson00]

mrsph wrote...

Liara is an anagram for ,"a liar"

Logically, this means she will betray you.

really? i lol in your face at that

[PMC65]

Electricosity wrote... I am almost... surprised in two years she went from a quiet... reclusive, shy Asari to ****ing INSANE. I dunno if this makes sense or not. 

Until I started reading these threads ... I never saw Liara as innocent, shy, etc. From my 1st play through she was one of the more shrewd and veiled characters in the game. That is probably why my main Shep also has her as the LI. Please note that the following is how I see Liara and in no way is meant to take anyone else's Liara hostage.

At Shepard & Liara's first encounter, they bite at each other (touching things you don't understand interaction was used) so I did not see a "love at first sight" for these two. In fact, they started off challenging each other ... When Shepard said that she might have an answer to something Prothean, Liara gets a little skeptical that this human might have insight. Her reaction makes perfect sense and is a quick peek behind her facade. Here she has dedicated 50 years and  this creature, who hasn't even lived 30 years, is saying "I can answer that" ... Really dull stone? When she is informed of the beacon upside Shep's head, she quickly changes gears from "boring human" to "Prothean speciman" ... Liara is now sizing Shepard up.  

I also kept in mind that Liara was on a "human" ship, a species that she was not really accustomed to or impressed by (short-lived & bullies). A species that also did not trust her and so she was very careful in this environment, careful in the words that she used, careful as she watched everyone around her. 

Her "reserved" facade becomes more apparant when you see her with her mother on Noveria ... she becomes more animated (emotion) and her questions child-like, almost pleading with her mother ... her walls stood in stark contrast as Shep tried to comfort her. The girl was tough and wouldn't share her sorrow with Shepard.
The desire to not appear weak through sorrow is a characteristic of hers that you see throughtout the game (ME1 / ME2 / LotSB).

In ME1 she always seemed to say things that were not coming from personal experience but something she read out of a text book ... some things that once she did experience, she threw out the text book paragraphs and responded with her emotions (ie, dealing with a partner's death). Half the time that Shepard chatted with her I felt that she was revealing nothing about herself but hiding behind "academia crap" and "asari propaganda". I wanted Shep to say, "Liara, would you just talk to me and not recite what you heard in some asari U lecture?"

I knew that she was a very smart cookie who early on showed an ability to read people, resulting in her gift to push buttons with a very delicate blue touch (just ask Ash ... that short-lived species) or a precise red touch (see Shadow Broker pet YAHG).

In the romantic showdown with Ashley (I've never seen the Kaiden showdown) I always felt that Liara was playing chess to Ash's checkers ... Please note that I like both characters alot, so chess to checkers is not meant as a put down but how different the two are from each other. Ash shoots from the hip, while Liara is much more subtle. It was also Liara who calls Shep & Ash to deal with the situation ... who was the "innocent" in that triangle? 

So when I saw her in ME2 her "darkness" did not throw me ... just her coldness towards Shepard. Part of the ME1 LI pie in the face (Ash/Kaiden/Liara .. Shep, you can't have us in this game) . 

Liara has always been emotionally & mentally guarded and is now slowly being revealed not updated or created. What she did in LotSB did not throw me because it fit in the character that I saw in ME1 ... But as previously stated, I have never seen her as innocent or naive ... She has always been a great chess player to me.

For those that cheated on her .... I have a feeling that the Yahg got off easy.  
 

[TomN7]

I don't know if you guys would agree with me. But if Liara told Anderson and Kaidan/Ashley that SHE was the reason you are involved with Cerberus, then I would have accepted her actions in the comic. But since she chose NOT to - I hate her.

At first I was pissed with how Kaidan and Ashley act on Horizon. And after taking some time to think about it. - Now, I don't blame them for acting like that. If I was them and one of my friends was Shepard. I would act the same way Kaidan and Ashley did.