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#26
Revenant_Mortalus

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PsychoWARD23 wrote...

moddit wrote...

It's one delay... by a few months. Try 14 years.

Duke Nukem Forever Delayed

That's the new title, do you like it?:P<_<



Reminds me of the old joke that they had changed the game's title to Duke Nukem Whenever.  Still, only a month to go - I can't wait...!!!

Back on topic, I kinda suspected a delay, but a little part of me was worried they'd try too hard to keep the promise of a shorter wait than the one between ME1 & ME2.  Personally I'm grateful for the delay.  It reassures me that I'm not going to be playing a rushed out game (KotOR II, anyone?) and as an added bonus it reassures me that my bank account won't be screaming out in pain - there are just so many games in the second half of this year that I want to get...

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I like the delay. I was kind of concerned with the release date, especially after seeing what happened to DA2 when it obviously needed more dev time. I have no problem with them taking more time to give me what I want.

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Do you follow Blizzard, Valve, or Rockstar games OP? Their games are continually delayed and go absent for years on end and yet always manage blow critics and gamers away with their quality. Take LA Noire. It was announced in 2006 before going AWOL for the next 4 years. Now it looks primed to be one of the major games this year. Starcraft 2 was delayed at least twice and yet (by the general consensus) it managed to deliver across the board.

Delays happen all of the time (to release in a less crowed window, to polish up the game, to tweak something) and are absolutely nothing to worry about. Being delayed a few months indicates that nothing major is being changed, but rather polished.

Short answer for the title post: No.

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Sorry for the double post.

Modifié par Bowdz, 08 mai 2011 - 02:41 .


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Oh no, they're delaying a game with about three months to iron out some bugs and make it better. The world is doomed.

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moddit wrote...

It's one delay... by a few months. Try 14 years.
Duke Nukem Forever Delayed

That's the new title, do you like it?:P<_<


Not funny. I so want that game.

Modifié par shep82, 08 mai 2011 - 03:07 .


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They're simply terrified of Skyrim.

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PsychoWARD23

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shep82 wrote...


moddit wrote...

It's one delay... by a few months. Try 14 years.
Duke Nukem Forever Delayed

That's the new title, do you like it?:P<_<



Not funny. I so want that game.


My hype for that has gone down the drain. I'm expecting it to flop so badly now, it doesn't look good. At all.

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Insom wrote...

They're simply terrified of Skyrim.


the fact is you got a point... These two games has similar or simply the exact same Fanbase... they don't want to make peoples chooses between both. heavy Risks and no priiiiiiiiiiiiiize... <_<

and actually this is better this way that they report ME3, it will gives them more time to remove every single bugs.

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I disslike that they are delaying but if its better its better if they are just freaking out becuse they think another games better they are rong so far its the best game i have ever played since i started playing...

halo got me started but ME is my favorite

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I'm sure they're doing the "right thing", the question is for who.

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maladictor2009

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reason for delay.

http://www.computera...aying-elements/

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I don't think there is anything wrong with the delay, I would rather they took their time made something truly epic than rush out another game of lacking quality such as DA2. Even if different devs work on each after getting burned once with Bioware as far as rushed to release on DA2 I am much happier waiting a few months especially with end of trilogy title like ME3. In the end I will wait see what they produce and if it does not have enough roleplaying elements in it I won't be buying it. Time will tell but after DA2, Bioware lost all pre-orders from me now I wait and see what is produced which in a way is always better to do regardless.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 08 mai 2011 - 03:46 .


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EA said they wanted ME3 to break all sorts of game records. Unfortunately, that also meant breaking Duke Nukem Forever's development time record.  :P

/troll :whistle:

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Duke Nukem:
Forever Alone

:D

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Only thing that matters is that ME3 is released before December 2012, juuuuust in case.

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Korusus wrote...

I just hope SW:TOR gets delayed as well.


SW:TOR has been in development since 2006 and cost well over a hundred million of dollars.  If it gets any more delayed it will take the studio down.

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Delays happen for marketing reasons too, and I believe this was the case here, at least most part of it. Deus Ex 3 got delayed half a year just because Squeenix needs it sales for a different Q than it was supposed to get them.

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I think the flop known as Final Fantasy 14 was the reason why Square pushed Deus Ex back.

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just got the news that the game was delayed for Q1 2012, and i am kinda concerned that Bioware is having some trouble or something, usually when a company announces a delay for the next year it could mean something else rather than just the special attention of the devs, please if you know any arguments that this is not true and Bioware did not lied to us about the delay say so


Judging from what I've gathered here and elsewhere,  at this point,  I'd venture the problem is the CEO is in over his head.

It looks like the guy is trying really hard to make EA profitable and sustainable.  EA's dropped hugely in stock price over the last few years,  and he's undoubtably under pressure to fix it.

Since he's taken over,  suddenly we're getting near annual releases of EA titles.  Suddenly there's Day 1 DLC,  which means it was cut from the game in order to sell it,  in order to squeeze an extra $20 out of players,  and in some games it's almost mandatory to purchase if you want to play.  Like Dead Space 2,  a significant portion of the game's equipment wasn't available unless you had bought the DLC.

Everything's also being shifted towards action games,  like DA2 and ME2,  removing their genre qualities in favor of "More mass market appeal".  Which indicates that EA is far less concerned with making a great game,  and overly concerned with selling as many copies as possible,  which in gaming is actually a paradox.  Great games sell lots of copies,  making it like some other game doesn't.

Further,  EA's under heavy pressure because there's a very real chance they're going to lose the NFL license exclusivity.  The contract was only renewed for 12 months,  and there's several lawsuits regarding it,  which could very well end up being ruled against EA.  The major problem is,  EA locked in exclusivity,  and then raised the price of the games,  which could be interpreted as Anti-consumer. (Prior to this generation's pricing)  This could end up hitting EA hard,  there is potential for fines or class Action rewards here.

This isn't actually unprecedented.  A very similiar thing occurred with Interplay.  Someone took over,  started dictating more actiony games,  they didn't do all that well for the most part,  and Interplay ended up imploding.  Should EA lose the NFL licnese,  or should Star Wars fail to do well,  it's very likely that is EA's future as well.  NFL is all that keeps EA afloat,  and Star Wars failing could be a huge loss. 

So if you want to know why ME3 is delayed,  that's probably it.  It's very likely it's having some "Improvements" made to give it "More mass market appeal",  because the current CEO seems to be obsessed with Call of Duty and thinks he can grab it's sales.  Personally,  I have *alot* of concerns with what's going on right now,  I strongly suspect this is going to end up bad,  especially since DA2 did so poorly.

Haristo wrote...

Insom wrote...

They're simply terrified of Skyrim.


the fact is you got a point... These two games has similar or simply the exact same Fanbase... they don't want to make peoples chooses between both. heavy Risks and no priiiiiiiiiiiiiize... <_<

and actually this is better this way that they report ME3, it will gives them more time to remove every single bugs.


Not really.

First,  it's long been known that if two good games release on the same day,  both games sell.  Diablo 2 and Icewind Dale both released on the same day,  and both sold extremely well.  If an RPG was able to compete with Diablo 2,  Skyrim is not an issue at all,  it's got nowhere near the pedigree.

Second,  Bethseda makes games for people who hate RPGs,  not RPGs.  They remove every RPG mechanic they can find.  It's not possible to get any further from an RPG than a Bethseda game,  especially with their fascination with level-scaling that makes the character sheets completely irrelevant.

Third,  Bethseda doesn't believe in writing story,  they make nearly empty worlds with hours of walking around for no reason. 

Fourth,  it's *highly* unlikely Skyrim's going to do well.  Zenimax has taken on massive debt,  Bethseda's the only studio they own out of like 8 that actually releases games,  and the only reason Oblivion sold was because there wasn't a single competitor on any of the systems at the time it released.  It's not hard to sell when you're the only game in town. 

Fifth,  they've burned too many bridges.  They abused the Morrowind fans,  they abused the Fallout fans,  they're abusing even the Oblivion fans right now.  You *cannot* keep insulting people and expect to sell games.  Nevermind the other very serious issues that have occurred with Bethseda and their PR.

Bioware and Bethseda have no overlap,  and I doubt Skyrim's going to do all that well.  Looks like another DA2 brewing,  especially the more Todd talks.

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It's hard for me to fathom Skyrim not selling decently. Everywhere I go on the internet, people are talking about it being a first-day purchase.

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Walker White wrote...

Korusus wrote...

I just hope SW:TOR gets delayed as well.


SW:TOR has been in development since 2006 and cost well over a hundred million of dollars.  If it gets any more delayed it will take the studio down.


Mmm....I doubt it cost that much.

If you've got 50 employees working on it at $50,000 apiece,  it's only 2.5 million a year.  Figuring for $75,000 apiece,  which is probably unrealistic,  puts it at around 3.8 million a year.  Which is only 20 million,  the licnese didn't cost 80 million,  SWG's was only around 25 million to develop.

Even if you double the number of people,  and given them all 6 figures,  you're still only spending around 10 million a year. 

Since they said they only need 500,000 subscribers to break even,  we can figure it out though.  Figuring for $20/copy profit,  and 1 month of $15 subscriptions,  it's around 17.5 million.  So it's likely still under 20 million at this point.

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For his part, analyst Michael Pachter predicts EA has spent $80 million on the development of the game.

www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/starwarstheoldrepublic/news/6312400/star-wars-the-old-republic-has-cost-ea-80-million-analyst

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JeffZero wrote...

It's hard for me to fathom Skyrim not selling decently. Everywhere I go on the internet, people are talking about it being a first-day purchase.


People say lots of things when they don't know anything about a game.  People said the same thing about Fallout 3.  Bethseda shipped 4.6 million units,  and rough math on the NPD numbers indicated they only sold around half of that before dropping off the NPD charts.

Plus,  I have other concerns with the reactions Skyrim gets,  I've had too many bad expierences with Bethseda to take things at face value. 

Modifié par Gatt9, 08 mai 2011 - 07:27 .


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Walker White wrote...

Korusus wrote...

I just hope SW:TOR gets delayed as well.


SW:TOR has been in development since 2006 and cost well over a hundred million of dollars.  If it gets any more delayed it will take the studio down.


I recently read/watched a preview of that game though. It's actually starting to look pretty decent.

Prior to reading/watching the preview I genuinely had no interest in the game at all.
Not I feel like the game is actually quite promising.