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[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

corporal doody wrote...

one of the things i dont think any of us brought up was her age.106. a child by ASARI standards. she is MATURE physically....but not mentally. Rambunctious,exuberant, over zealous, or foolhardy would be a more fitting terms than obsessive. focused to the point of tunnel-vision?
as stated earlier (this topic or the other semi-hate liara thread)...she emulates individuals she has associated with...because her knowledge of social interaction is based off what she learned from them. child would do the same thing.

Liara is not a child. This is supported by dialog that can be overheard in Illium. There's an Asari who states that "I'm sixty years old and finally out of my parrents house".  So 60= roughly the equlivant of 18 years.

[corporal doody]

Lizardviking wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

one of the things i dont think any of us brought up was her age.106. a child by ASARI standards. she is MATURE physically....but not mentally. Rambunctious,exuberant, over zealous, or foolhardy would be a more fitting terms than obsessive. focused to the point of tunnel-vision?
as stated earlier (this topic or the other semi-hate liara thread)...she emulates individuals she has associated with...because her knowledge of social interaction is based off what she learned from them. child would do the same thing.

Liara is not a child. This is supported by dialog that can be overheard in Illium. There's an Asari who states that "I'm sixty years old and finally out of my parrents house".  So 60= roughly the equlivant of 18 years.

   1:02 mark


~350and under=maiden...adolescents, preteen,tween,teen, young adult..
~350+years=maturity(adult)...matron...samara refers to it when talking about grunt's puberty
~700+years=middle aged(?)...matriarch


how many MATURE 18 year olds do you know?

Modifié par corporal doody, 08 mai 2011 - 06:42 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

corporal doody wrote...
how many MATURE 18 year olds do you know?

She's not 18. So what is your point anyway?

[Sarcastic Tasha]

Is an asari child really comparable to a human child though? Asari seem to have a very different way of looking at the world due to their long lifespan. Perhaps they consider adult humans to be quite childish, they do seem to think humans are impatient and impulsive.

[corporal doody]

Lizardviking wrote...

corporal doody wrote...
how many MATURE 18 year olds do you know?

She's not 18. So what is your point anyway?

no she is 106. a asari child.  you cant place human age distinctions on a species that lives 10times as long. 10 human years is equal to 1 asari year...like 7 dogs years for us or sum junk. hell...for all we know asari are able to breed at 20 years YET have no desire to do so till 300+ years. not enough lore available of the species...maybe the writers will grace us with more info

but irl...most 18 years are not mature. so they go to college...get a job..doesnt mean they are all grown up. just cuz a 15year old pops out a kid doesnt mean she is a adult...but her experiences can help her grow up faster. maturity is gained through personal experience...not solely on years living.

Modifié par corporal doody, 08 mai 2011 - 06:59 .

[corporal doody]

Sarcastic Tasha wrote...

Is an asari child really comparable to a human child though? Asari seem to have a very different way of looking at the world due to their long lifespan. Perhaps they consider adult humans to be quite childish, they do seem to think humans are impatient and impulsive.

agreed...but it can also be said that a asari adult can not be compared to a human adult (and vice versa)

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

corporal doody wrote...

no she is 106. a asari child.  you cant place human age distinctions on a species that lives 10times as long. 10 human years is equal to 1 asari year...like 7 dogs years for us or sum junk. hell...for all we know asari are able to breed at 20 years YET have no desire to do so till 300+ years. not enough lore available of the species...maybe the writers will grace us with more info

but irl...most 18 years are not mature. so they go to college...get a job..doesnt mean they are all grown up. maturity is gained through personal experience...not years living.

Erhh no? Asari are alien and therefor age and mature far differently than humans. Which also kinda renders any discussion on the subject moot.

You claimed that she is just the equalivant of an 18 year old. In which I argured against by proving than in Asari society it seems that most leave the house and live for them selves by the age of 60. Remember that Liara is 108, that  is pretty far from 60.

[corporal doody]

I never said 18...you mentioned when you compared 18 to 60.

only after did i say HOW MANY MATURE 18 YEAR olds do you know. look back at the posts

Modifié par corporal doody, 08 mai 2011 - 07:08 .

[TheMarshal]

corporal doody wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

one of the things i dont think any of us brought up was her age.106. a child by ASARI standards. she is MATURE physically....but not mentally. Rambunctious,exuberant, over zealous, or foolhardy would be a more fitting terms than obsessive. focused to the point of tunnel-vision?
as stated earlier (this topic or the other semi-hate liara thread)...she emulates individuals she has associated with...because her knowledge of social interaction is based off what she learned from them. child would do the same thing.

Liara is not a child. This is supported by dialog that can be overheard in Illium. There's an Asari who states that "I'm sixty years old and finally out of my parrents house".  So 60= roughly the equlivant of 18 years.

   1:02 mark


~350and under=maiden...adolescents, preteen,tween,teen, young adult..
~350+years=maturity(adult)...matron...samara refers to it when talking about grunt's puberty
~700+years=middle aged(?)...matriarch


how many MATURE 18 year olds do you know?

If we assume asari-60 is about the same mentally and emotionally as human-18, then asari-106 (Liara's age at the start of ME1) would put her somewhere in her human mid-twenties.  Old enough to have her PhD and have some decent research under her belt, but not old enough to garner respect of people who've been working longer than she's been alive (much as it is with humans!).

I don't know that I would categorize Liara as rambunctious, exuberant, or even foolhardy.  Overzealous, for sure, but all in all I don't think that Liara's personality is a good example of what a 'typical' asari maiden would be at her age.  I imagine that has a fair amount to do with the fact that her mother is so much older than most asari.  She would likely have a different outlook on life than someone in their 4th or 5th century of life, and that would probably reflect on how she chose to raise Liara.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

corporal doody wrote...

I never said 18...you mentioned when you compared 18 to 60

You mentioned child then.

[corporal doody]

Lizardviking wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

I never said 18...you mentioned when you compared 18 to 60

You mentioned child then.

 A CHILD BY ASARI STANDARDS

[corporal doody]

@marshal i agree. it seems most maidens turn out to be mercs, dancers, and the likes. adventure seekers.

[sponge56]

liara can hardly be considered a child. she's older than most of us here will ever be able to live to. I dont even see any child like attributes to her character

[BlackEssence]

If you ask me, I see "obsessiveness" in this thread. Gracious. Ya'll are too hot for me to handle! ^__^*

Though, I will say that the best word to describe Liara's....obsessiveness....is "High-spirited" or "Goal-oriented". I think ALL of us have expressed this type of being more times than we care to remember. The question is, who is brave enough to admit that?

Modifié par BlackEssence, 08 mai 2011 - 07:13 .

[TheMarshal]

It's funny when you think that all of the alien crewmates in ME1 are very bad examples of their race.

Liara - Studies a long-dead civilization instead of shaking her ass or merc-ing it up
Garrus - Questions authority instead of blindly following orders
Wrex - Sees the krogan race as far too self-destructive for their own good
Tali - ... Well there's gotta be an exception to every rule, huh?

[sponge56]

TheMarshal wrote...

It's funny when you think that all of the alien crewmates in ME1 are very bad examples of their race.

Liara - Studies a long-dead civilization instead of shaking her ass or merc-ing it up
Garrus - Questions authority instead of blindly following orders
Wrex - Sees the krogan race as far too self-destructive for their own good
Tali - ... Well there's gotta be an exception to every rule, huh?

well i doubt that most maidan asari even do simply pole dance in clubs and shoot people. Some do, but im sure many others don't, although having said that the only example we have of an asari who doesn't is liara

[corporal doody]

TheMarshal wrote...

It's funny when you think that all of the alien crewmates in ME1 are very bad examples of their race.

Liara - Studies a long-dead civilization instead of shaking her ass or merc-ing it up
Garrus - Questions authority instead of blindly following orders
Wrex - Sees the krogan race as far too self-destructive for their own good
Tali - ... Well there's gotta be an exception to every rule, huh?

word! they play against the template. to add depth to the character i guess.
asari are very social...(from the codex/wiki) The asari tend toward communal, consensus attitudes among themselves
too: for example, they prefer to live in shared spaces aboard starships even if there are alternatives available.

Liara appears not so early on.

[corporal doody]

2:18-2:57mark. from another asari that doesnt fit the "norm" coincidence or conspiracy?

[TheMarshal]

corporal doody wrote...

2:18-2:57mark. from another asari that doesnt fit the "norm" coincidence or conspiracy?

Given that the current working theory is that Aethyta is Liara's 'dad', I'd say it's no coincidence...  >.>

[corporal doody]

[PMC65]

dreman9999 wrote...

 I never understand is why Liara fans are blind to her obsessive character traits in ME1 and fallow her to ME2. She was so obsessed with protheans she alienated herself for 50 year studiyng them by herself. If you get her last in ME1, she becomes upset with you when you tell her that the reapers killed them because she want to get the info herself and it was unfair that someone who was not studying them just fell on the answer on their own. She then moves on to Sheperd, going so far as to read up on him/her to be able to talk to Sheperd instead of just talking to Sheperd. This goes so far that she hunts Sheperds body down for Cerburus. Along the way doing that, Feron and the shadow broker came up, so she became obsessed with that. Now that it over with the SB dead, she's obsessed with the info there.

Sometimes when people like someone they will make excuses for their behavior and when someone doesn't like someone they will over-exaggerate the behavior of an individual as well. There are people who, if they LOOOOVE someone they can't do wrong  and if they HAAAATE someone, well they could cure cancer but big deal, they just got lucky!

This becomes even more unbalanced when the story changes around that character ... as in Shep loves, likes, hates the character in your game play .... which also results in feeling schizophrenic when thinking or talking about just one character.

Using three of my Shepards in relation to Liara ...... 

Shep that loves her =  Liara? What are you thinking errr, feeling?  (that Shep both fears & worries about her the most)

Shep that is her friend = What a pal! Brought me back ... what a bud! High five lil' blue sista!

Shep that was a bastard to her = chick is frackin' nuts. 

Is Liara obsessive? To me and my three Sheps that is a big YES.
Is that a good thing or a bad thing? Depends on which Shep you ask.