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[Chugster]

Serpieri Nei wrote...

Many people have tried to reach out to you but you have made it clear that you’re unwilling to have a civil discussion. Sadly, the only people you ended up hurting here with your attacks was yourself which has now brought your credibility in question. I suggest in the future that you try to understand that you are part of a community and act accordingly next time.  

I got angry when i was flamed by people, most of my posts had no attacks in them. only the last few...and civil discussion was the entire point of the damn thread...but you, along with a few others have totally missed it.

And its not just me, there are plenty of posts in this thread that agree with me, so dont make out that i launched a flame war, coz i didnt...its just more proof of what i said in the first place

[Gotholhorakh]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Gotholhorakh wrote...


It's classic straw man argument and there are at least 3 people on this forum who do it time and time again for their own ends, whatever those are.

/facepalm

This was unintentionally hilarious.

Please explain? Do you not think getting people to try and defend the "objective basis" for their not liking a computer game amounts to a textbook straw man argument?

What exactly am I missing?

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 09 mai 2011 - 08:06 .

[Chugster]

Sabriana wrote...

OP, you are far too emotional to post in a manner like this. You once again state "when *I* tried to stop it". You are not a moderator, and you have simply no right to stop anyone from voicing her/his opinion.

All your posts are full of sentences that are highly emotional and not very rational. Look at what you accomplished. You stated that you wanted people to see the error of their ways, conform to your way, or else STFU and GTHO. This is about the 5th time I'm telling you that you went about it in the worst way possible - namely in a very subjectiv and highly emotional manner. I see I can make no head-way.

not sure what you are reading there, i just told the ****s to leave, nothing wrong with wanting an **** free forum...

And this thread is nowhere near the worst on these forums, i take great umbridge over that statement....i asked for facts with no emotion...again...nothing wrong there...

obviously you and i are polar opposites because i dont see what you are on about and will do nothing but clash on these forums...we should stay out of each others way...and anyone else trying tell me what to do...

geez, try to do the right thing and this is what you get.....why do i even bother? youve brought me to flaming...which is what i wanted to avoid

Modifié par Chugster, 09 mai 2011 - 07:54 .

[Sabriana]

Oh lords, this is dizzying. This is the post I responded to:

Chugster wrote...

I got angry when i was flamed by people, most of my posts had no
attacks in them. only the last few...and civil discussion was the
entire point of the damn thread...but you, along with a few others have
totally missed it.

And its not just me, there are plenty of
posts in this thread that agree with me, so dont make out that i
launched a flame war, coz i didnt...its just more proof of what i said
in the first place

Ok, last try. Go count the posts that "agree" with you and then count the ones that don't. Re-read your first few posts. The re-read you last sentence in you last post.

There is no invitation to a civil discussion coming from you, but maybe I'm missing a post in this huge thread. Most of what I see is you demanding that people behave the way you want to, as so not to interfere with your game - although I fail to see a relation there, tbh.

Then you use an extremely vague statement to conclude that you were right after all - proven right even. Frankly, I find this a bit astonishing.

'Nother edit

You wanted a what kind of forum? This isn't your forum. Open a website, a blog, or subscribe to facebook and you can have the kind of place you want. This forum belongs to EA/Bioware. If and when they have issues with posters/postings/threads I'm utterly certain that they will not hesitate to intervene. I'm quite sure they are adults who have "been there, done that".

Modifié par Sabriana, 09 mai 2011 - 07:59 .

[Chugster]

where did i demand...i asked, not demanded, there is a big difference

you are misreading everything i type...i think you are doing it on purpose

Modifié par Chugster, 09 mai 2011 - 07:55 .

[Serpieri Nei]

Chugster wrote...

Serpieri Nei wrote...

Many people have tried to reach out to you but you have made it clear that you’re unwilling to have a civil discussion. Sadly, the only people you ended up hurting here with your attacks was yourself which has now brought your credibility in question. I suggest in the future that you try to understand that you are part of a community and act accordingly next time.  

I got angry when i was flamed by people, most of my posts had no attacks in them. only the last few...and civil discussion was the entire point of the damn thread...but you, along with a few others have totally missed it.

And its not just me, there are plenty of posts in this thread that agree with me, so dont make out that i launched a flame war, coz i didnt...its just more proof of what i said in the first place

Not once, in any of posts did I state that no one agrees with you, nor did I accuse you of starting a flame war. I suggest you take a step back and re-read your own posts. Here is one from page one, in the future don't tell people that have pointed out valid flaws to the game to shut up. They have as much rights to post here that you do. 

"basically im trying to show just how much of the 'hatred' towards DA2 and BW is pretty baseless...BW made a game...their game...and aside from taste issues there isnt much wrong with it...and i wish all these people would see it, shut up and go back to DAO or whatever and stop making me feel bad for enjoying a game"

So here's your oppurtunity now to point out which criticisms you find that are not valid. 

Modifié par Serpieri Nei, 09 mai 2011 - 07:59 .

[tmp7704]

Master Shiori wrote...

Then give me an example of a "complex" system from any other rpg. It's the standard "debuff and exploit for extra damage" system you can find in mmo's like WoW.

So it's standard and it's simple. The existence (or not) of more complex systems doesn't make this one any more complex itself, and the claim it's "complex" just doesn't hold up.

Sorry, but have you played the game at all?

A "dozen of different combinations between specific skills" is exactly what you have in DA2, while the "3 combinations" is what you had in Origins, except it was actually one effect that could be placed by 3 different spells.

There's 10 separate spell combinations in DAO, and the effects of these can be actually different than just extra damage to the target.

So given that and your comment about the single effect and "3 different spells", i'm sorry but have you played the game at all?

Modifié par tmp7704, 09 mai 2011 - 07:59 .

[Gotholhorakh]

Chugster wrote...

where did i demand...i asked, not demanded, there is a big difference

you are misreading everything i type...i think you are doing it on purpose

I think if anybody is misreading anything it's because they've seen this same thing proposed lots of times, that people should try to defend their dissatisfaction with the game on some sort of ridiculous basis like "support your level of enjoyment with objective facts"...

...and repeatedly the wild goose chase ends up with people making spirited attempts to participate and the OP making inflammatory comments about how people should shut up, resorting to the pejorative etc. etc.

[Chugster]

Serpieri Nei wrote...

So here's your oppurtunity now to point out which criticisms you find that are not valid. 

its not about whether they are valid, its about the way they are posted...hence why i havent posted my opinions on the game...coz they are that...opinions

14 pages and some people just dont get it

Modifié par Chugster, 09 mai 2011 - 08:05 .

[Serpieri Nei]

Chugster wrote...

Serpieri Nei wrote...

So here's your oppurtunity now to point out which criticisms you find that are not valid. 

its not about whether they are valid, its about the way they are posted...hence why i havent posted my opinions on the game...coz they are that...opinions

Maybe you should start a new thread then on how to post criticism. Since your not disputing the validity of people's claims but simply the matter of how it is presented.
 
edit - since you decided to add that last little line - It's quite clean from your title and what you have stated here, that you are the one that does not get it.

Modifié par Serpieri Nei, 09 mai 2011 - 08:09 .

[Chugster]

oh and ive just looked at my post that everyone says is an attack...and i asked the the people who dont post contructive stuff to shut up and go...

so if you had louts hanging out infront of your house making noise and messing things up, you wouldnt ask them to shut up and go away? Same with the trolls here

[Chugster]

Serpieri Nei wrote...

Chugster wrote...

Serpieri Nei wrote...

So here's your oppurtunity now to point out which criticisms you find that are not valid. 

its not about whether they are valid, its about the way they are posted...hence why i havent posted my opinions on the game...coz they are that...opinions

Maybe you should start a new thread then on how to post criticism. Since your not disputing the validity of people's claims but simply the matter of how it is presented.
 
edit - since you decided to add that last little line - It's quite clean from your title and what you have stated here, that you are the one that does not get it.

ah but if i did that then the trolls will have a go at me for telling people how to post again...you just cant win

[Chugster]

so you like having the trolls around?

[Night Prowler76]

Chugster wrote...

oh and ive just looked at my post that everyone says is an attack...and i asked the the people who dont post contructive stuff to shut up and go...

so if you had louts hanging out infront of your house making noise and messing things up, you wouldnt ask them to shut up and go away? Same with the trolls here

The difference is, this is NOT your house, this is an open forum, once you can distinguish between the two, your day will probably get a little better.

[Chugster]

Night Prowler76 wrote...

Chugster wrote...

oh and ive just looked at my post that everyone says is an attack...and i asked the the people who dont post contructive stuff to shut up and go...

so if you had louts hanging out infront of your house making noise and messing things up, you wouldnt ask them to shut up and go away? Same with the trolls here

The difference is, this is NOT your house, this is an open forum, once you can distinguish between the two, your day will probably get a little better.

so i should just shut up and let the trolls spoil the forums for me?

[Sylvianus]

To answer to the op, there's a topic for that, constructive criticism. Inside, there are plenty of smart comments on why and how.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 09 mai 2011 - 08:12 .

[Gotholhorakh]

Chugster wrote...
Give me FACTS about what is technically 'bad' in this game...its not about whether they are valid

Right, if that's the case, haven't people been rather wasting their time trying to answer the question in the thread title?

Chugster wrote...
so i should just shut up and let the trolls spoil the forums for me?

Erm.

It is you who is advocating other people shutting up because you don't like what they say, no?

...and again, it is just not trolling to voice and discuss critical reception for the product within the community.

Even though there has been contention, I feel that things have started to simmer down a bit, this kind of thread notwithstanding.

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 09 mai 2011 - 08:23 .

[Serpieri Nei]

Chugster wrote...

oh and ive just looked at my post that everyone says is an attack...and i asked the the people who dont post contructive stuff to shut up and go...

so if you had louts hanging out infront of your house making noise and messing things up, you wouldnt ask them to shut up and go away? Same with the trolls here

basically im trying to show just how much of the 'hatred' towards DA2 and BW is pretty baseless...BW made a game...their game...and aside from taste issues there isnt much wrong with it...and i wish all these people would see it, shut up and go back to DAO or whatever and stop making me feel bad for enjoying a game"

This post here which is missing the word Constructive? Where you tell people to shut up?

Comparing Forums to the front of "your house". In a way that may be true if your a representative of Bioware, and you still haven't pointed out the so called threads that are making noise and messing things up. 

[nopho]

Chugster wrote...

oh and ive just looked at my post that everyone says is an attack...and i asked the the people who dont post contructive stuff to shut up and go...

so if you had louts hanging out infront of your house making noise and messing things up, you wouldnt ask them to shut up and go away? Same with the trolls here

see, theres lots of things that bother me with that post.
first your comparison, this is NOT your house, opening up a thread in a forum dosn't give you the right to decide whos allowed to post there and who not.

and third, as many tried to tell you, it is you too who dosn't post constructive stuff. why don't you shut up and go? because you think that what you write makes totally sense? then think again please what others who post here might think about their posts.

[Night Prowler76]

Chugster wrote...

Night Prowler76 wrote...

Chugster wrote...

oh and ive just looked at my post that everyone says is an attack...and i asked the the people who dont post contructive stuff to shut up and go...

so if you had louts hanging out infront of your house making noise and messing things up, you wouldnt ask them to shut up and go away? Same with the trolls here

The difference is, this is NOT your house, this is an open forum, once you can distinguish between the two, your day will probably get a little better.

so i should just shut up and let the trolls spoil the forums for me?

It is an open forum, you will not agree with everyone and their opinion, and the delivery of their opinion, just like they might not agree with your's, its not your place to tell someone to leave, just like its not anyone else place to do that either.

If someone posts something you do not like, just skip it, there is no reason to get mad at people for expressing themselves about a product they paid money for, just like you did, you have to understand where people come from before you cast your judgement upon them.

[Serpieri Nei]

Chugster wrote...

Serpieri Nei wrote...

Chugster wrote...

Serpieri Nei wrote...

So here's your oppurtunity now to point out which criticisms you find that are not valid. 

its not about whether they are valid, its about the way they are posted...hence why i havent posted my opinions on the game...coz they are that...opinions

Maybe you should start a new thread then on how to post criticism. Since your not disputing the validity of people's claims but simply the matter of how it is presented.
 
edit - since you decided to add that last little line - It's quite clean from your title and what you have stated here, that you are the one that does not get it.

ah but if i did that then the trolls will have a go at me for telling people how to post again...you just cant win

And, if you did so in a way that is constructive and not offensive. Who cares what trolls think, when your message is for the community.

Modifié par Serpieri Nei, 09 mai 2011 - 08:23 .

[nuclearpengu1nn]

the story felt unfinished
reused maps
bad LIs
no point in importing a save as none of your choices in DAO made any major differences in DA2
can't customizecompanion armor

[wildannie]

Night Prowler76 wrote...

Chugster wrote...

oh and ive just looked at my post that everyone says is an attack...and i asked the the people who dont post contructive stuff to shut up and go...

so if you had louts hanging out infront of your house making noise and messing things up, you wouldnt ask them to shut up and go away? Same with the trolls here

The difference is, this is NOT your house, this is an open forum, once you can distinguish between the two, your day will probably get a little better.

:lol:

[L33TDAWG]

Rather than answering this unbelievably stupid thread, go read constructive criticism and infer what is fact from opinion there because all you are doing here is what that thread is doing.

[Addai]

Chugster wrote...

im probably older than you sunshine...

Heh, good thing you clarified, from your avatar I was thinking maybe a 12 year old had taken over your account.

It's never a good sign when you start out seemingly asking a question (as in the thread title), then come to find out you didn't actually have a question, just wanted a platform to state your opinion.  Or hit people over the head with your opinion, as the case may be.

If you don't like the negativity concerning the game, the companions forum is pretty rah rah, and the campaigns forum is mixed.  The general forums have been where most of the criticism appears.  So why not just avoid those?  I agree there have been threads that are ridiculously vicious, but it's not fair to lump all critics of the game into one big "hater/ troll" pile, or to claim that people's opinions of the game are invalid because they're supposedly not based on "facts."  That's a cheap way of saying your own preferences have more basis than those of other people who disagree with you.