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[Cutlass Jack]

Merced652 wrote...

is change still novel when its something like you waking up with cancer?

Are we comparing DA2 to giving us cancer now? That'll be one I haven't seen yet. And a new low. Well done. 

[Merced652]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Merced652 wrote...

is change still novel when its something like you waking up with cancer?

Are we comparing DA2 to giving us cancer now? That'll be one I haven't seen yet. And a new low. Well done. 

No, is it a personality trait of yours to assume such things? I'm simply asking or rather making the point that all change isn't novel as some suggest. 

inb4 blah blah extrapolation ran over my puppy. 

Modifié par Merced652, 08 mai 2011 - 04:09 .

[Cutlass Jack]

Merced652 wrote...

No, is it a personality trait of your to assume such things? I'm simply asking or rather making the point that all change isn't novel as some suggest.

Nah I was just doing what you were doing. Exaggerate something to rediculous extremes and taking out of context to make a point. Also, I found it in poor taste.

[Merced652]

Merced652 wrote...

inb4 blah blah extrapolation ran over my puppy. 

patting myself on the back chyea

[kaiki01]

Chugster wrote...

basically im trying to show just how much of the 'hatred' towards DA2 and BW is pretty baseless...BW made a game...their game...and aside from taste issues there isnt much wrong with it...and i wish all these people would see it, shut up and go back to DAO or whatever and stop making me feel bad for enjoying a game

The only one that can make you stop feeling bad is yourself D:

[Merced652]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Merced652 wrote...

No, is it a personality trait of your to assume such things? I'm simply asking or rather making the point that all change isn't novel as some suggest.

Nah I was just doing what you were doing. Exaggerate something to rediculous extremes and taking out of context to make a point. Also, I found it in poor taste.

So did I, considering I know someone who suffers from prostate cancer.

See, now i'm curious to know if this someone was a fan of change. 

[mesmerizedish]

Wow... maybe we can cut down on the cancer talk? Most of us probably know people who suffer or have suffered from cancer, and it's really bad form to suggest that that's comparable to being disappointed with a video game.

[TEWR]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Merced652 wrote...

No, is it a personality trait of your to assume such things? I'm simply asking or rather making the point that all change isn't novel as some suggest.

Nah I was just doing what you were doing. Exaggerate something to rediculous extremes and taking out of context to make a point. Also, I found it in poor taste.

So did I, considering I know someone who suffers from prostate cancer.

My mom just got through her treatment for a return of cancer she had 5 years ago. So I definitely found that comment in bad taste.

Merced652, you could've said the same exact point without stooping to a cancer comment. Most, if not everyone, knows somebody that has had some form of cancer.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 08 mai 2011 - 04:25 .

[Zjarcal]

Chugster wrote...

basically im trying to show just how much of the 'hatred' towards DA2 and BW is pretty baseless...BW made a game...their game...and aside from taste issues there isnt much wrong with it...and i wish all these people would see it, shut up and go back to DAO or whatever and stop making me feel bad for enjoying a game

While I don't agree with the "shut up" part as no one really has the right to say that to anyone in the forums apart from moderators, I agree that at the end of the day most criticisms are subjective.

There is very little that counts as fact about what is "bad". Recycled areas are a fact. Do they break immersion? Well, that depends on the player, as I've seen a few who weren't really bothered by them. Templars doing backflips in plate armor is a fact? Is it bothersome? Again, depends on the player. MageHawke being "handwaved" is a fact. Does it ruin the game? Certainly not for me as I use my imagination to work around that.

At the end of the day virtually every criticism is based on a fact but the interpretation about whether that's good, bad, or irrelevant, is subjective.

Finally, don't feel bad for liking the game. I love it to pieces and I say that proudly and I couldn't care less what anyone else thinks.

[MikeP999]

Chugster wrote...

Ive been on these forums for quite a while now and like all of you ive seen all these posts screaming about how BW have screwed up with DA2....we all knew how the game played from a technical POV from the demo

But what i havent seen much of are actual facts as to why....there are plenty of opinions based on taste, but aside from the repetitive dungeons, i havent seen anything factual about this game being bad...nothing that ruins gameplay form a technical standpoint

so if you can, please give me facts that people agree on as to what makes this game technically bad....and it cant be something that someone has said that they have liked anywhere on these forums...so no combat (it works, whether you like it or not) or the dialogue wheel (has same number of choices as old system) and no story (again this is all a matter of taste)

You seem satisfied with how the game plays.  What do you achieve by attempting to convince others of your decision?  If you're seeking 'Facts', keep in mind these 'Facts' you may not have experienced and/or disagree that it is a 'Fact'.  
In the future, perform a more thorough SEARCH of the forums.  You will find plenty of 'Facts', according to others.  By the way, combat was and still is glitchy for some people.  That would be a fact for some, so you denying it's very existance is ignorance.  
This is a perfect example of why gaming forums are an inherent waste of time for the more mature crowd, rehashed topics with OPs' that are too lazy to search, or too bull headed to accept that not everyone agrees with each other.

[Merced652]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Wow... maybe we can cut down on the cancer talk? Most of us probably know people who suffer or have suffered from cancer, and it's really bad form to suggest that that's comparable to being disappointed with a video game.

Where did this occur in this thread? No amount of extrapolation or exaggeration can make that true. Why suggest it? Oh wait.. 

[Must have name]

From a technical standpoint:
- Re-used environments.
- Low resolution models in places. Such as Elves that just sit in the background.
- A few bugged textures. There's a couple of scenes with Merill/Bethany's hand is that of an old woman.
- Critical bugs that were in release. Namely the Isabella / Sebastian Friendship Bug, or the Merill Act III Quest bug. Both of which have been fixed, but you don't expect such critical flaws to have not been picked up by release.
- Many people using nVidia cards have complained about poor performance.
- No Toolset can probably also be classed as a valid technical complaint.

Everything else is just a matter of opinion.

Modifié par Must have name, 08 mai 2011 - 04:29 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Chugster wrote...

basically im trying to show just how much of the 'hatred' towards DA2 and BW is pretty baseless...BW made a game...their game...and aside from taste issues there isnt much wrong with it...and i wish all these people would see it, shut up and go back to DAO or whatever and stop making me feel bad for enjoying a game

So in essence you admit this thread is nothing more than bashing people who critisize DA2. 3.2.1.. lockdown.

P.s. "basically im trying to show just how much of the 'hatred' towards DA2 and BW is pretty baseless..." As shown with the replies you clearly are wrong in that regard. There is an element of opinion but there is also a large portion of facts that back up those criticisms 'flaws'. I'll mention one example myself ~Doing Fenris quest entered his area on map not realisigin from entering would be locked in until clear, so went in without Fenris got locked in could not complete or exit to switch him into party. 

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 08 mai 2011 - 04:37 .

[mesmerizedish]

[EDIT] Nevermind.

Modifié par ishmaeltheforsaken, 08 mai 2011 - 05:29 .

[TEWR]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Merced652 wrote...

No, is it a personality trait of your to assume such things? I'm simply asking or rather making the point that all change isn't novel as some suggest.

Nah I was just doing what you were doing. Exaggerate something to rediculous extremes and taking out of context to make a point. Also, I found it in poor taste.

So did I, considering I know someone who suffers from prostate cancer.

My mom just got through her treatment for a return of cancer she had 5 years ago. So I definitely found that comment in bad taste.

Merced652, you could've said the same exact point without stooping to a cancer comment. Most, if not everyone, knows somebody that has had some form of cancer.

Just ignore that jackass. And I hope your mom is doing well after her treatment.

Thanks, she's slowly getting better.

And I think I will ignore him/her/it/Bigfoot

[oldmansavage]

Much thin skin has been broken with a seemingly benign comment.  Oh **** I said benign....tumors come in that category.   I've had cancer personally and it sucks and was lucky to get away with my life.  I didn't feel one ounce of hurt from his comment.  Suck it up princesses.

[Merced652]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Merced652 wrote...

is change still novel when its something like you waking up with cancer?

If you really weren't comparing DAII's changes to cancer with this comment, then you're an idiot, and the comment is completely irrelevant.

I think you were fully aware of the comparison you were making, so you're just an ****.

You seem angry bro, why for?

See, when people place change itself on a pedestal i take exception to that. I illustrated why its flawed, and am attacked for it. You might not like the method, so be it, but its flawed at best when you aren't addressing the point. 

[HTTP 404]

Gisle Aune wrote...

- Unbalanced AI. Enemies being really slow and stupid, Origins was way better in this regard, as enemy AI was similiar to party members -- the same basically. But now they're just two moves and gimped basic moves.
- Waves, not inheretly bad, but used in 99% of battles and non-demons/spirits spawning out of thin air.
- Over the top. Serious RPG players do not want excess bloodsplatter and greatswords swung like toothpicks, even though Origins' animations might have been too slow on occation.
- Recycling, ya know, the caves.
- Unpolished -- release bugs, fixed after most initial customers lost interest in the game.
- No scent of a toolset comming.
- Little choise and ways this can turn out, rendering replayabillity low.
- Rushed, 1.5 year -- or 2 -- is too little for an RPG. 3 at least is advisable.

Not a bad game -- played it through three times and enjoyed it --, but it has severe flaws. Very good to be a studio's worst game.

basically this.  I still think the game is good though! 

[Huntress]

Chugster wrote...

ok thats one...any more

The game been single player have lag when looting or fighting:sick:.. sometimes it lag in scenes when they are talking, and at the end of the scene every character talk at the same time.

It disconect me from bioware every single day.. I think something is broken and no is not my computer, I logged in WOW and I have no lag in any of the mayor cities. WoW have 12 millions players, my main server is always FULL, so is DA2.

[Elhanan]

Sabriana wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Guys in plate falling from the sky.

This. And not hurting themselves terribly when landing. Spiders dropping out of nothing but clear blue sky as well.

Templars doing backflips in full plate.

Teleporting enemy mages when previous lore states that there was no such thing as teleporting in Thedas (unless that was supposed to mean they went into stealth, which is equally wrong for a mage.

A city that doesn't change over the course of 7+ years, even though it had major disruptions. Merchants don't move an inch, chance neither clothes nor displays.

NPCs don't move or react to their surroundings, fireballs, arrows, bolts and piles of trash mob corpses be damned.

Guards/Templars don't react to fights, even when their own superior (guards) is involved in the fight.

The only really visible new thing being a statue of some impostor claiming to have slewn the Arishok because that statue looked nothing like either one of the Hawke I played with.

Maybe it was paper plate? *bazinga*

Realistcially, I tend to agree, as I dislike it in films, too. But to some, they like the defiance of realism (eg; Kill Bill, CTHD, magic, etc), And this is a game of fantasy.

As I understand it, mages were not teleporting, just moving very, very fast while using stealth magics. Such magics were ref in DAO when Shayle told of Wilhelm; the squashed, furry browed former master.

The never changing environment is easy to explain: the authority for most of the reign was male. I have worn and kept the same clothes, furniture, etc for decades until forced to trash 'em. And the forcee's were usually woman. Maybe this is what drove Meredith mad?

As for me, I am somewhat easy to please. I liked the redecor of the Chantry or buildings seen in some cut-scenes, so I did notice a nod to change. I think, unless they didn't, and I never noticed the first time. Could be; Sherlock, I ain't....

Agree with Templars; disagree with NPC's. It was distracting to have trained warriors not notice a robe, staff, and possible silly hat. But it did not bother me to have NPC's holding still in fights; really never noticed, as it was not a distraction. And I much rather have it this way than have to worry even more of Friendly Fire, or read more posts of PK wannabes posting on the forums of how they broke the game by killiing all the bartenders, merchants,etc.

And maybe Apostates are the opposite of Templars, and would attack the uniforms and armor; not see the person inside it?

Modifié par Elhanan, 08 mai 2011 - 05:17 .

[RaenImrahl]

Merced652 stay on topic. Stop baiting people. Only warning.

[RaenImrahl]

RaenImrahl wrote...

Merced652 stay on topic. Stop baiting people. Only warning.

oldmansavage... ditto.