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[Merced652]

rofl, ****ing pathetic.

No warnings levied at those who broke conduct by lobbing personal attacks, yet "baiting".. ohhh **** no. 

Modifié par Merced652, 08 mai 2011 - 04:59 .

[Firefeng]

I'm still trying to understand the complaints of people pointing out that heavy, 2-handed weapons aren't being wielded realistically in battles involving magical beings raining down lightning and fire from the heavens upon demonic entities from a DIFFERENT PLANE OF EXISTENCE.

Really?

[RaenImrahl]

Merced652 wrote...

rofl, ****ing pathetic.

No warnings levied at those who broke conduct by lobbing personal attacks, yet "baiting".. ohhh **** no. 

Banned. 

[MorrigansLove]

Even someone who had cancer thinks you're all being silly. Just stop it now.

[DA2 is Awsum]

hrm, moderation of this topic does seem to be quite skewed. Oh well, par for the course.

[HTTP 404]

Firefeng wrote...

I'm still trying to understand the complaints of people pointing out that heavy, 2-handed weapons aren't being wielded realistically in battles involving magical beings raining down lightning and fire from the heavens upon demonic entities from a DIFFERENT PLANE OF EXISTENCE.

Really?

haha, I find those complaints amusing.  Most of the physical combat is unrealistic.  heck look at duel weilding now.

[tmp7704]

Firefeng wrote...

I'm still trying to understand the complaints of people pointing out that heavy, 2-handed weapons aren't being wielded realistically in battles involving magical beings raining down lightning and fire from the heavens upon demonic entities from a DIFFERENT PLANE OF EXISTENCE.

Really?

Really. Same reason why people expect magically invoked fire to burn things rather than make them wet, and magically invoked lighting to cause "electric" damage instead of painting targets pink.

[Firefeng]

tmp7704 wrote...

Firefeng wrote...

I'm still trying to understand the complaints of people pointing out that heavy, 2-handed weapons aren't being wielded realistically in battles involving magical beings raining down lightning and fire from the heavens upon demonic entities from a DIFFERENT PLANE OF EXISTENCE.

Really?

Really. Same reason why people expect magically invoked fire to burn things rather than make them wet, and magically invoked lighting to cause "electric" damage instead of painting targets pink.

And the same way people expect contrived ridiculousness, trussed up via extensive sophistry as some heuristic system of gaming values, to justify their highly subjective opinions on how a game that they had no hand in creating should be made?

Increasing the physical strength and attack speed of characters isn't quite equivalent to equating fire having completely different physical and energetic properties than it does in the real world.  Spare me your absurdity.  Stabbing someone with a two-foot dagger and having them explode into a hundred chunks of flesh and a bucket of Nutella is ridiculous.  Swinging a large sword at superhuman speed, on the other hand, may as well be a genre staple of fantasy...

Modifié par Firefeng, 08 mai 2011 - 05:25 .

[Elhanan]

tmp7704 wrote...

Firefeng wrote...

I'm still trying to understand the complaints of people pointing out that heavy, 2-handed weapons aren't being wielded realistically in battles involving magical beings raining down lightning and fire from the heavens upon demonic entities from a DIFFERENT PLANE OF EXISTENCE.

Really?

Really. Same reason why people expect magically invoked fire to burn things rather than make them wet, and magically invoked lighting to cause "electric" damage instead of painting targets pink.

Well, twas corrupted material being used in the magical process, target may not have been wet; perhaps reflective as target was infused with lyrium, and I thought it was salmon. IMO.

[Firefeng]

Filament wrote...

Firefeng wrote...
  Stabbing someone with a two-foot dagger and having them explode into a hundred chunks of flesh and a bucket of Nutella is ridiculous.

But the priiiiiize...

My Assassin/Duelist spec'd Rogue Hawke never wanted for delicious spread for his lunchtime sandwiches.

[NeoNight1986]

if you visit the constructive criticism page you will find plenty of factual bases for reasons at why this game was bad from a technical stand point as well as plenty of opinions. granted you have to go looking some times for what you might call Scientific facts.

along the lines of opinions however very few games get this bad of a public rating for a bioware game so the opinions are not baseless. ::shrugs:: but that is an opinion as well.

Modifié par NeoNight1986, 08 mai 2011 - 05:39 .

[Chugster]

look, i never said people cant have opinions about the game, but the way some of you go on....its like Mike Laidlaw and Co came to your house and took a dump on your carpet.

You all seem to take the changes in this game as a personal insult...its the extreme reactions that i dont like, hence me trying to see if all this shouting was bluster or whether there was any substance beneath it....and if you all stop shouting and burning Laidlaw effigies you find there are things that can be improved and will be improved if we all just calm down a bit

[bleetman]

Chugster wrote...

hence me trying to see if all this shouting was bluster or whether there was any substance beneath it.

Unfortunately, there's an awful lot of smoke for there to be no fire at all.

I have my own criticisms, despite enjoying DA2 on the whole. But you're never going to get indisputable facts out of people regarding this. Barring some technical issues or other, they don't exist.

Modifié par bleetman, 08 mai 2011 - 05:47 .

[wildannie]

Chugster wrote...

look, i never said people cant have opinions about the game, but the way some of you go on....its like Mike Laidlaw and Co came to your house and took a dump on your carpet.

You all seem to take the changes in this game as a personal insult...its the extreme reactions that i dont like, hence me trying to see if all this shouting was bluster or whether there was any substance beneath it....and if you all stop shouting and burning Laidlaw effigies you find there are things that can be improved and will be improved if we all just calm down a bit

But what is 'technically 'bad'' is not the sum of the problems of the game.  Personally I don't hate the game but I was  disappointed with it, I voiced this in the 'constructive criticism' thread and hope that the opinions of fans will be taken into account going forward.
It is not possible to identify all that  needs changed by only addressing technical difficulties so trying to make an argument based on this has little weight.  Bioware made the game they wanted, but what they hoped from that was good reviews, increased sales, and an increase in the fanbase.  I do not think that they have achieved their goal and I don't think this is only due to 'technical difficulties'

[NeoNight1986]

Fans grow a personal attachment to companies that produce such emotionally driven mediums of entertainment. I myself have as well. I am a fan. Not afraid to admit to it. I feel i have played enough of the games (and purchased enough copies.. (way to many to be honest.)) and have grown a very personal attachment to the company and to there games. I have invested money in them and have come to a personal set of expectations. It is unfortunate perhaps that i have become this... oh whats the word, emotional? about a video game company... but i have. Granted i try and show it differently than others... but i do agree with most of the opinions of the game.

all in all due to this connection i believe i have granted as imaginary as it maybe It is still there. I buy a game from this company expecting a certain level of production value, i get cheated. i feel i did not get what i paid for.. i will complain.. And yes costumers do it all the time lol. this just happens to be a very active board for it .

[TEWR]

HTTP 404 wrote...

Firefeng wrote...

I'm still trying to understand the complaints of people pointing out that heavy, 2-handed weapons aren't being wielded realistically in battles involving magical beings raining down lightning and fire from the heavens upon demonic entities from a DIFFERENT PLANE OF EXISTENCE.

Really?

haha, I find those complaints amusing.  Most of the physical combat is unrealistic.  heck look at duel weilding now.

What was unrealistic about rogues? Aside from the poorly done smoke bomb-to-backstab attack that looks somewhat like teleporting.

Rolling to an enemy position for a better attack is realistic.

[Amioran]

BobSmith101 wrote...
DA2 is all about padding, from reused areas to waves

And as I already told you and proven you, waves are what makes an aggro system have some tactical aspect. Case in point (for an example of complete unbalance for lack of them) DAO.

The only people that think the contrary are those that don't either know the difference between the things they are speaking about and those that don't understand clearly of what they are complaining about.

Modifié par Amioran, 08 mai 2011 - 06:58 .

[Amioran]

Alistairlover94 wrote...
Ah, but is it realistic to jump 20 feet up into the air while holding 2 daggers, and then dropping down without breaking your legs?

Realism has little to do with a gameplay of an cRPG if the same is not done appostedly for it. It matters very little if a thing is "realistic" or not in a game as DA2. What matters, for real, is if the gameplay is balanced and well done technically.

Realism is fine for theoric debate on the things people would prefer, and it is fine either for differentiated opinions based on personal preferences, but it has no bearing whatsoever and no place whatsoever on the technical aspect of a gameplay, that's the only way to judge the same objectively.

Modifié par Amioran, 08 mai 2011 - 06:55 .

[Elhanan]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Ah, but is it realistic to jump 20 feet up into the air while holding 2 daggers, and then dropping down without breaking your legs?

And maybe now we know the origin of Dwarves....

[Huntress]

NeoNight1986 wrote...

Fans grow a personal attachment to companies that produce such emotionally driven mediums of entertainment. I myself have as well. I am a fan. Not afraid to admit to it. I feel i have played enough of the games (and purchased enough copies.. (way to many to be honest.)) and have grown a very personal attachment to the company and to there games. I have invested money in them and have come to a personal set of expectations. It is unfortunate perhaps that i have become this... oh whats the word, emotional? about a video game company... but i have. Granted i try and show it differently than others... but i do agree with most of the opinions of the game.

all in all due to this connection i believe i have granted as imaginary as it maybe It is still there. I buy a game from this company expecting a certain level of production value, i get cheated. i feel i did not get what i paid for.. i will complain.. And yes costumers do it all the time lol. this just happens to be a very active board for it .

To who ever it fits.

I understand some people feel cheated and they complain but, for howFraking long? should it be for every 3 post 1 full of rage.. come on, even if you go to a restaurant and the food is bad, would you go there and complain every single day? no! you stop fracking going to that restaurant. Every single post doesn't matter what they are talking about, the ragepeople comes to whines/insult and compare the game or gamers with cancer... grow up. ( My mother and I have cancer)

I like the game, it has problems yes, but please people stop insulting and qquing so freaking much, get to the Constructive Criticism at the top of the forum and point out what flaws you see and the likes. If you have NOTHING to said then do not post, let the others talk aswell. The game wasn't made for everyone liking, just as icecream, pies and burgers.

Apoligies if I insulted anyone, so freaking tired of the so call adults.

Links to make the game better!!!!: http://social.biowar...5/index/6568680

Modifié par Huntress, 08 mai 2011 - 07:06 .

[tmp7704]

Firefeng wrote...

Increasing the physical strength and attack speed of characters isn't quite equivalent to equating fire having completely different physical and energetic properties than it does in the real world. 

Ironically enough, what you're poviding now is highly subjective opinion based on properties of the real world, and applying that reasoning to the world where the magic is supposed to make people accept that everything goes.

Btw, ever noticed that swinging a large sword at superhuman speed doesn't actually bother people when it's done under influence of the Haste spell or such? Maybe they can take the magic factor into account better than you give them credit for.

[deuce985]

...Am I missing something? How can anyone give you facts when everything is based on opinion...

Sounds like you already made up your mind.

[nopho]

Kangasniemi wrote...

I ment about 30 different people do 99% of the complaining on these forums. The same group of people complain the same useless things in every thread on these forums.

ok than i misunderstood you there. still stays the question what your problem is. is this not about the quality but quantity of the posters? i thought the "silent majority" argument was already dead. not to forget that in the first 4weeks of the game it was pretty common that people just wrote their negative opinion somewhere and then disappeared forever.
i also see the same 30ish people always posting very strange arguments in defense, so what?

2 poorly deviced underhanded insults in and nothing more, wonder why I even bother to reply...

don't worry, i think so too everytime i reply to someone who calls the people who disliked the game whiners (speak when i answered to you first)

So ranting for 2 pages about how the plot sucks, or how the art is not something YOU happen to like are a TECHNICAL and purely subjective fault in the game? Riiiiiiiight...

no but thats the reason why i claimed that you didn't read or understood the first 2pages. it was pretty clear to me from the beginning that the threadstarter just wanted to play argument taboo with us. "tell me things that make the game bad without useing: dialogwheel, story, etc." as he self said that he just wished people to stop complaining and leave. most of the first 2pages where about how this is not a good way to approach the problem, as you can narrow everything down to subjectiveness (even bugs)
read the first two pages again please, you will see this.

Bioware has ALWAYS cut corners in their games, some times it's much more notisable some times subtle, but they have always copy/pasted parts of the games. (Copy/pasted worlds of ME1, 3 different sound samples that are used as speech in KOTOR and Jade Empire and so on) Same goes for the whole industry, actually for the whole god damned humankind. So plotting to murder Laidlaw because of some copy/pasted maps is a weee bit overreacting.

sorry, "some copy/pasted maps", really? i mean..really?

I have the SAME god given right that every one else has. And seeing how there are a million theards on "The some maps are copied. THIS IS AN OUTRAGE! The game SUX0r. Boicot Bioware and murder the dev team!" And now that some one comes and says that that your opinion, you try to launch a damned crusade against every one that doesn't have the same view as you.

sorry but i think you lost it here. what is your problem? basically it is that you project a very bad stereotype of disliker on all that dislike the game and with that in mind you go to a thread and post there? i can't imagine if i did that too, because i'd be ragewriting without a pause if i would think behind everyone who likes DA2 is an idiot who thinks my dislike for the game is just "that it wasn't DA:O",

Yes subjective, but I never even tried to say that this is the only right view on the matter and every who thinks differently must be drawn and quartered.

you should take an outtime from the internet if you really think that everyone who dislikes DA2 is some kind of hate-based lifeform (and sorry but in my opinion that tells more about you then about the people you blame)

And I still never tried to say that my views about the plot or artwork were nothing more than subjective views unlike some many of these so called HC Bioware fans.

Seeing how many of you like to have your games EXACTLY like they were 10 years ago and NO CHANGES no matter how small to be made in secuels, I would suggest you go and play COD. That game has been made over and over and over again and NOTHING has changed.

So go play Activisions carpon copied crap and let Bioware make games that make changes. God knows how rare changing anything in a game is these days.

see, thats what i meant a bit above...what really lets my inner troll, that we all have, try to break out. i dislike the game or changes that were made, and in your POV that naturally means that i dislike all kind of change.
i dislike the shortcomings of the game, but that naturally just means that i am against new things.
i am all for new things if they are done good. theres plenty of things i liked in DA:O when it was new, things i liked more than in, say NwN2 and that you claim otherwise just because i do not like the changes, (wich were at some parts good ideas like the story approach wich were just poorly managed) they made speaks (in my eyes) just of an incredible arrogance for people who are not of your opinion.


p.s. sorry for late answer had lunch.

Modifié par nopho, 08 mai 2011 - 07:38 .