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[Elite Midget]

If this Topic replaced Jacob with Garrus it would have a lot of biased hate in it.

[Dean_the_Young]

DeadLetterBox wrote...

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

Why does everyone hate Jacob? I don't see what's so bad about him.

I don't like him because he's a turncoat who joined Cerberus with full knowledge of what he was doing.  I'm an Alliance soldier and I frown on that sort of thing.

But... you're doing the exact same thing.

 He also keeps asking "do you trust me, do you trust me, do you trust me" when I've got no business trusting him.

He asks that once after the first mission.

Plus, anybody walks into my quarters and calls me "the prize" right before a mission should *not* expect to survive it.

Then don't romance him?

You might as well say the same about the cheeziness of any of the love interests.

[Silrian]

Tripedius wrote...

Niddy' wrote...

Alpha-Centuri wrote...

Ya'll are sadistic

We all play a game that involves killing hundreds of simulated beings. Just because I hunt down Jacob's dad and then later send Jacob to the vents so I completely destroy that family so they cannot breed anymore Taylors' into the ME universe isn't any worse than killing 75 guards to ask a guy to join my crew.

I think someone before you already did a great job in killing of some specific individuals as 150 years into the future and most people are white. Logically most people should be asian, latino or black, but no there isn't any racism in ME.

Why would that be the logical way to go? Purely because of numbers? Actually (kind of off topic), has there been any history written for what happened on earth itself between now and first contact? 

On topic: I say, let Jacob die protecting his own crewmates, if he's so clearly 'not a mercenary'. 

[Niddy']

Tripedius wrote...

I think someone before you already did a great job in killing of some specific individuals as 150 years into the future and most people are white. Logically most people should be asian, latino or black, but no there isn't any racism in ME.

When did I say any of this? How does me disliking a character and killing his family as a result of utter annoyance of said character somehow turn into adiscussion about what the race make up of future non-existent people?

>Mfw

Modifié par Niddy', 10 mai 2011 - 02:14 .

[ROD525]

Every other day with this hating on Jacob ****. Damn you cats sing one note and thats it. I cant stand Tali but I dont make posts asking how to merc her. I said it before and I'll say it again there is more to this Jacob hate then meets the eye. Take that however you want to.

[lazuli]

mrsph wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

How can you people hate Jacob? He's the only one on the ship who's not batsh*t insane!

Because my Shepard totally acted creepy around him and that is his fault

I know this is tongue in cheek, but it's probably true for a fair number of male players that take on the role of female Shepard.  Bear with me.  Assume that Female Shepard serves as an extension of your average male player's heterosexuality, allowing him to live out the patriarchal fantasy of lesbian sex (hello, Liara) while completely removing all male eroticism from the equation by playing as a female.  When female Shepard, serving as a proxy for the player's masculinity, then expresses lustful desire for a man that is likely much more masculine than the player himself, it isn't hard to see why Jacob is so widely resented.

[Zkyire]

Quole wrote...

Mersey wrote...

Good, need to kill him and Samara off.

This. ****ing this. Samara is such a retarded character.

She says she'll kill you when her oath to you is done, if you do questionable things.

While she herself says she'll kill innocent people simply for getting in the way of the code.

Samara is a hypocritical ****.

So, high five!

[Zkyire]

Tripedius wrote...

Niddy' wrote...

Alpha-Centuri wrote...

Ya'll are sadistic

We all play a game that involves killing hundreds of simulated beings. Just because I hunt down Jacob's dad and then later send Jacob to the vents so I completely destroy that family so they cannot breed anymore Taylors' into the ME universe isn't any worse than killing 75 guards to ask a guy to join my crew.

I think someone before you already did a great job in killing of some specific individuals as 150 years into the future and most people are white. Logically most people should be asian, latino or black, but no there isn't any racism in ME.

So it's only racist so long as more white people are depicted, but not racist if more black people are depicted?

Sigh.

[Niddy']

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...


So it's only racist so long as more white people are depicted, but not racist if more black people are depicted?

Sigh.

Only white people can be racist. This is a known fact.

Honestly though, the people who even bring up the fact that he is indeed black are the ones who are racist. It's the same thing with disliking Ash. I cannot dislike her for any other reason other than because she is religious and that is what the disscussion will always break down into every time it is talked about.

People cannot get over the fact someone may dislike a character they don't.

Modifié par Niddy', 10 mai 2011 - 03:14 .

[marshalleck]

lazuli wrote...

mrsph wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

How can you people hate Jacob? He's the only one on the ship who's not batsh*t insane!

Because my Shepard totally acted creepy around him and that is his fault

I know this is tongue in cheek, but it's probably true for a fair number of male players that take on the role of female Shepard.  Bear with me.  Assume that Female Shepard serves as an extension of your average male player's heterosexuality, allowing him to live out the patriarchal fantasy of lesbian sex (hello, Liara) while completely removing all male eroticism from the equation by playing as a female.  When female Shepard, serving as a proxy for the player's masculinity, then expresses lustful desire for a man that is likely much more masculine than the player himself, it isn't hard to see why Jacob is so widely resented.

Or they think it's weird that any Shepard, regardless of gender, would utterly perv out at the first opportunity on a person they only just encountered.

[DeadLetterBox]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

DeadLetterBox wrote...

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

Why does everyone hate Jacob? I don't see what's so bad about him.

I don't like him because he's a turncoat who joined Cerberus with full knowledge of what he was doing.  I'm an Alliance soldier and I frown on that sort of thing.

But... you're doing the exact same thing.

 He also keeps asking "do you trust me, do you trust me, do you trust me" when I've got no business trusting him.

He asks that once after the first mission.

Plus, anybody walks into my quarters and calls me "the prize" right before a mission should *not* expect to survive it.

Then don't romance him?

You might as well say the same about the cheeziness of any of the love interests.

I did not knowingly join Cerberus.  I woke up in a station where all the mechs were trying to kill me and they were the only ride, then the Alliance didn't seem to want me back.  So, here I am.  Besides, who was head of security on the station where all the mechs were trying to kill me, presumably had access to the mechs, and didn't try to shut them down when we got to Server Room B?  Yup, Jacob.  Miranda's ex-paramour.  Not saying he did it, just saying he is suspicious and that's never pursued.  Plus, the Illusive Man says I'll be safe with Jacob "for now."  Lots of suspicious things about Jacob.

Right or wrong, I don't trust him.  Though honestly I usually try to make sure he lives for just that reason.  If he does turn on me, I want to see it, not read about it in someone else's game. 

[Dean_the_Young]

DeadLetterBox wrote...

I did not knowingly join Cerberus.  I woke up in a station where all the mechs were trying to kill me and they were the only ride, then the Alliance didn't seem to want me back.  So, here I am.

And then, after Freedom's Progress, Shepard chose to work with Cerberus on the Collectors.

The rest is conspiracy mongering.

[DeadLetterBox]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

DeadLetterBox wrote...

I did not knowingly join Cerberus.  I woke up in a station where all the mechs were trying to kill me and they were the only ride, then the Alliance didn't seem to want me back.  So, here I am.

And then, after Freedom's Progress, Shepard chose to work with Cerberus on the Collectors.

The rest is conspiracy mongering.

*sigh.*  Like the conspiracy where in the game you don't actually have any choice?  If you can find one, let me know.  Look, trust Jacob all you want.  Give him a man-hug.  That's fine by me.  I don't trust him, though.  That's where I'm at.  I've been around way too long to trust people who are always asking if I trust them.

[Dean_the_Young]

I don't mind that you don't trust him: simply 'Cerberus!' is rational enough. 'Suspiciously involved in the mech attack', however, isn't. 'Always asking if I trust them' is another one that isn't, since he doesn't.

[ZoSo159]

What is the best way to kill Garrus or Tail?

*runs for cover*

[DeadLetterBox]

ZoSo159 wrote...

What is the best way to kill Garrus or Tail?

*runs for cover*

Other than not doing their loyalty missions?  Take one of them with you when using Miranda or Jacob to maintain the biotic barrier against the swarm.  That should work, right?  Or you could send Garrus into the vents they were talking about sending Jacob into.  He's not going to do any better than Jacob.  I'm not sure what happens if you put Tali in charge of the fire team.  Probably nothing good, so there's a way to do it.  

I like both those characters well enough, but still, they might do something really annoying in the next game so it pays to be prepared, right? 

[ZoSo159]

DeadLetterBox wrote...

ZoSo159 wrote...

What is the best way to kill Garrus or Tail?

*runs for cover*

Other than not doing their loyalty missions?  Take one of them with you when using Miranda or Jacob to maintain the biotic barrier against the swarm.  That should work, right?  Or you could send Garrus into the vents they were talking about sending Jacob into.  He's not going to do any better than Jacob.  I'm not sure what happens if you put Tali in charge of the fire team.  Probably nothing good, so there's a way to do it.  

I like both those characters well enough, but still, they might do something really annoying in the next game so it pays to be prepared, right? 

I want them both alive I just hate it how people are throwing Jacob to the slaughter while idolsing Tali and Garrus.  They are all my amigos and I need them all in ME3!

[ZoSo159]

DeadLetterBox wrote...

ZoSo159 wrote...

What is the best way to kill Garrus or Tail?

*runs for cover*

Other than not doing their loyalty missions?  Take one of them with you when using Miranda or Jacob to maintain the biotic barrier against the swarm.  That should work, right?  Or you could send Garrus into the vents they were talking about sending Jacob into.  He's not going to do any better than Jacob.  I'm not sure what happens if you put Tali in charge of the fire team.  Probably nothing good, so there's a way to do it.  

I like both those characters well enough, but still, they might do something really annoying in the next game so it pays to be prepared, right? 

I want them both alive I just hate it how people are throwing Jacob to the slaughter while idolsing Tali and Garrus.  They are all my amigos and I need them all in ME3!

[Antivenger]

DeadLetterBox wrote...

Other than not doing their loyalty missions?  Take one of them with you when using Miranda or Jacob to maintain the biotic barrier against the swarm.  That should work, right?  Or you could send Garrus into the vents they were talking about sending Jacob into.

You could always screw over the Flotilla and dump Garrus during his pre-SM romance scene before sending them to oblivion. A broken heart and a broken spirit, death under fault of their once-saviour.

[DeadLetterBox]

ZoSo159 wrote...

DeadLetterBox wrote...

ZoSo159 wrote...

What is the best way to kill Garrus or Tail?

*runs for cover*

Other than not doing their loyalty missions?  Take one of them with you when using Miranda or Jacob to maintain the biotic barrier against the swarm.  That should work, right?  Or you could send Garrus into the vents they were talking about sending Jacob into.  He's not going to do any better than Jacob.  I'm not sure what happens if you put Tali in charge of the fire team.  Probably nothing good, so there's a way to do it.  

I like both those characters well enough, but still, they might do something really annoying in the next game so it pays to be prepared, right? 

I want them both alive I just hate it how people are throwing Jacob to the slaughter while idolsing Tali and Garrus.  They are all my amigos and I need them all in ME3!

My usual goal is to get everyone out alive, regardless of how I feel about them.  First of all, they're my responsibility whether I like them (or trust them) or not.   If they're going to betray me then that will probably make for an awesome bit of gaming, and if they aren't they might wind up helping me.  Aw, heck, maybe I just don't trust Jacob because that kind of betrayal would be so cool story-wise and I just can't admit it.  Hard to say.

[CitizenThom]

Quole wrote...

Mersey wrote...

Good, need to kill him and Samara off.

This. ****ing this. Samara is such a retarded character.

Along the extinguish the Taylors line, should Sheppard allow Morinth to kill Samara and then let Morinth die on the Suicide Mission?

[Notho]

Bu.. but the priiiize