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Phategod1 wrote...

I dont think they can be reasoned with they've been doing this for millions of years what could you possibly say or do to change there minds.


Maybe evne longer. Wasn't there some crashlanded ship like a billion years old that the Batarians found?

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No... What would be the point of Mass Effect 1 & 2 ???

   


Mass Effect  2 seems to be pointless   

I would say Mass Effect 2 was made to prepare us for THE GAME (aka) Mass Effect 3. ^_^

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The Reapers offer perfection, ascension, freedom from all weakness and immortality,  You cannot begin to comprehend their exist.  Don't you want that?
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well when you put it like that lol:lol::P

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From what I understand, every Reaper is an entire sentient race; a living nation, if you will. As we're all well aware, the Illusive Man's primary goal is the betterment of humanity. Perhaps, he believes the development of a human Reaper is the next stage in human evolution, given Reapers are infinitely more advanced than anything else found in the galaxy. Furthermore, Harbinger can be heard saying "We are the harbinger of your ascension."; one can gather that this indicates the 'ascension' of humanity to a greater form (ie a Reaper). Would this not explain Cerberus' change of heart in Mass Effect 3?
To extrapolate on the idea of a living nation, the unity of all members of a species would allude to the end of war, poverty, hunger, etc. Thus, a decision to work with the Reapers may be derived from a greater vision for humanity: this would ultimately culminate with a pro-Reaper ending, if Shepard chooses to facilitate humanity's "ascension" into the Reaper fold. Naturally, such a decision is not black and white and provokes thought, which - in my opinion - is indicative of strong story writing. I think this would be the idyllic ending for the series: side with the Reapers to end the evils that plague man, or defeat the Reapers to maintain human liberty and self determination. Most game reviews criticize writing as too polarized in the decisions they offer. This kind of decision truly enters into morally grey territory and would create an infinitely stronger storyline, not only in explaining the Reapers actions, but also in forcing the player to consider cause and effect more deeply than, "top dialogue option=good, bottom dialogue option=evil".
Regardless, this would justify working with the Reapers.

On a separate note, does anyone have ideas relating to the Illusive Man's location? I'm thinking Sirius, given the alternating colours of the star seen from his observation room...

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I'll repeat myself.

Mesina2 wrote...

Absolutely NOT!

Whole point of the trilogy is to stop the Reapers! No matter what!



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I would only like this if there is a reason for it.

Personally I think it would be cool if the reapers weren't just malicous pricks. If they have a true purpose, albiet they have no morals. But a purpose greater than their strange form of reproduction and feeding. In a sense, that doesn't make them gods but just hungry, horny animals haha.

Has anyone entertained the idea that it will be impossible to "win" in ME3?

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Becoming a Quisling for the Reapers?

Death first.

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I don't think that's possible.

The Reapers can do everything organics can, only many times better. They only needed organics in ME1 because they couldn't open the Citadel Relay themsleves.

Once they can invade at their leisure, there's absolutely no use they can have for organics.

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Dueling Shadows wrote...

From what I understand, every Reaper is an entire sentient race; a living nation, if you will. As we're all well aware, the Illusive Man's primary goal is the betterment of humanity. Perhaps, he believes the development of a human Reaper is the next stage in human evolution, given Reapers are infinitely more advanced than anything else found in the galaxy. Furthermore, Harbinger can be heard saying "We are the harbinger of your ascension."; one can gather that this indicates the 'ascension' of humanity to a greater form (ie a Reaper). Would this not explain Cerberus' change of heart in Mass Effect 3?
To extrapolate on the idea of a living nation, the unity of all members of a species would allude to the end of war, poverty, hunger, etc. Thus, a decision to work with the Reapers may be derived from a greater vision for humanity: this would ultimately culminate with a pro-Reaper ending, if Shepard chooses to facilitate humanity's "ascension" into the Reaper fold. Naturally, such a decision is not black and white and provokes thought, which - in my opinion - is indicative of strong story writing. I think this would be the idyllic ending for the series: side with the Reapers to end the evils that plague man, or defeat the Reapers to maintain human liberty and self determination. Most game reviews criticize writing as too polarized in the decisions they offer. This kind of decision truly enters into morally grey territory and would create an infinitely stronger storyline, not only in explaining the Reapers actions, but also in forcing the player to consider cause and effect more deeply than, "top dialogue option=good, bottom dialogue option=evil".
Regardless, this would justify working with the Reapers.

On a separate note, does anyone have ideas relating to the Illusive Man's location? I'm thinking Sirius, given the alternating colours of the star seen from his observation room...


The Reapers are composed of losers - countless nations who failed to survive, who failed to defeat the Reapers. Why would we want to join the losers? They're just a device of natural selection, filtering the quality to survive the Reapers. The species who manage to defeat the Reapers will have to defeat all their countless predecessors. Isn't this the true ascension? The species who ends the Reapers once and for all will inherit the galaxy. Why would humanity give up on THAT?

And what do the Reapers do, except for wiping out all sapient life every cycle and adding the best of them to their army? They just sleep the rest of the time. No art, no creation - why would humanity give up on creation? On godhood? On world domination? On true supremacy? The Reapers are only here to push along the evolution. They have no respect for those who don't fight. See Harbinger's obsession with Shepard. Harbinger knows that Shepard is the reason for their entire existence. He knows that Shepard will end them, because humanity is here, and the Reapers are needed no more.

TIM changes his location. You can see it at the end, he could move his station to a red star or to a blue one, whatever background he feels like suits the conversation better. There's no reason to think that he stays within one system.

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Mesina2 wrote...

Absolutely NOT!

Whole point of the trilogy is to stop the Reapers! No matter what!

What's the point of teaching Anakin Skywalker to be a jedi if he doesn't restore balance of the Force? I don't get this logic.

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Has anyone entertained the idea that it will be impossible to "win" in ME3?


Yeah, I thought of that. I think it would be incredible, actually. Perhaps we fail to defeat them, after all, but we manage to leave something for the next species.

It's clear that one cycle of evolution is not enough to defeat the Reapers. The Reapers proved that equation over and over again. The only reason we're putting up some resistance now is because Shepard's been touched by the Prothean beacon, thus embodying two cycles of evolution. But maybe two cycles are still not enough. Maybe what you really need is three cycles. In this case, the only thing Shepard can do is to make way for the one who follows.

But I will rage so much if humanity doesn't get to win.

Anyway, I see no reason to willingly side with the Reapers. Shepard already put up enough resistance to ensure that humanity gets to continue as a Reaper, if we lose. There's nothing else the Reapers can offer us. We might as well fight.

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Wizz wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Absolutely NOT!

Whole point of the trilogy is to stop the Reapers! No matter what!

What's the point of teaching Anakin Skywalker to be a jedi if he doesn't restore balance of the Force? I don't get this logic.


That wasn't the point of Star Wars prequels.

It was Anakin Skywalker falling to Dark Side.

Modifié par Mesina2, 23 mai 2011 - 09:25 .


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I'm not saying that's the case - nor do I want it to be - but there's the possibility that the Reapers could be the "good guys".

They clean up the galaxy, making way for new civilizations to prosper, and the "worthy" races are assimilated into a Reaper which, according to Sovereign, is a "nation, free of all weaknesses". It seems that the organics that were used in the construction of the Reapers still live on inside of them, and perhaps they're better off.

I mean, it's not like the Reapers want to destroy all life. Like Kenson said, life still continues even though the Reapers came before many times. And unless you're unlucky to be born around the time of the Reapers' Arrival, you could live your life peacefully and in blissful ignorance of their existance. 50.000 years is enough time for many, many generations to prosper.

Like I said, I'm not saying that's the case, and I really don't want it to be, but I believe the possibility still exists.

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if that is possible than I want an option that the reapers work for Shepard... and be the king of the Univers

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Yes if that's what it takes for Shepard's story to continue (in ME 4) and as long as it's exactly working with reapers, not for them.

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I don't care if they put such an ending in the game, on one condition:

That said is ending is explicitly not a canon ending. I would like for the ME universe to remain intact enough for post ME3 content.

On the other hand, it's an ending I'm never going to go for, so maybe I'd just prefer that they not do this and spend the effort on better endings that are a bit less depressing.

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Mesina2 wrote...
That wasn't the point of Star Wars prequels.

It was Anakin Skywalker falling to Dark Side.

Actually it was. Origin of evil.

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Wizz wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Absolutely NOT!

Whole point of the trilogy is to stop the Reapers! No matter what!

What's the point of teaching Anakin Skywalker to be a jedi if he doesn't restore balance of the Force? I don't get this logic.


He does though. Niether the jedi or the sith have total power in the galaxy at the end. That's balance.

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thesilverlinedviking wrote...
He does though. Niether the jedi or the sith have total power in the galaxy at the end. That's balance.

I agree though, but not in way supposed by jedi.

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ah yes...
"Reapers"

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Yes.

Commander Shepard is a jerk. A jerk would betray everyone he knows and loves just for the fun of it.

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working with the reapers?

uh.............do they have a good dental plan?  :D

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I don't see why not, in Fallout there was an option to become a super Mutant, and cuts to a scene in which you get dipped in the FEV vats, and than shows the standard mission fail scene. mass effect could do something similar.

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adam1923 wrote...

I would only like this if there is a reason for it.

Personally I think it would be cool if the reapers weren't just malicous pricks. If they have a true purpose, albiet they have no morals. But a purpose greater than their strange form of reproduction and feeding. In a sense, that doesn't make them gods but just hungry, horny animals haha.

Has anyone entertained the idea that it will be impossible to "win" in ME3?

If it's impossible to "win" in ME3, that would make for a ****** trilogy. Plus I believe BW confirmed that there are endings where we defeat the Reapers.

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I must say, there is a small part of me that would absolutely love this idea. It just speaks a bit to transhumanist theory and I would admittedly consider it if it were an option. Unfortunately, I can quite see a way to work it out in the story, Shepherd seems rather against the reapers. I'll just have to settle with Shepherd's own personal evolution instead.