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[Marionetten]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Because beyond the origin in DAO, there was nothing beyond flavor changes to the main plot anyways.

Beats having no changes whatsoever.

[haroldhardluck]

topster88 wrote...
Bull. Elves, dwarves, and some humans had north american accents in DA1. there's no reason why tey couldn't have gone with one VA for each race for Hawke.

North American? The accents are British Isles for the dwarves, elves and Fereldon humans.

And no, it wouldn't have had to screw up any connection to the Amell family. Your race could have been defined by your dad and your mom could have been human.

Which ignores the social prejudices against elves which is so prevalent in Kirkwall, a human controlled city state. As a Fereldon, Hawke already has to deal with prejudices against Fereldons. Throughout the game, Hawke continues to be causally insulted by passerbys because he is a Fereldon. Then there are the Fereldon prejudices against elves which they share with the Kikrwallers as humans.

There is a tremendous amount of bigotry and prejudice against elves, Fereldons, et. al. that is casually presented in the game in the dialog, overheared remarks in the street, etc. that would make no sense if Hawke was anything other than pure human. Otherwise you would have the situation in the Neverwinter series where your character can be a yuan ti in a place where they are hated enemies and no one comments on this fact.

Hawke has to be human. Otherwise there would have to be extensive reworking of the dialogue throughout the game to maintain the proper social dynamics. For example, Merrill's response when ask to move in with Hawke makes no sense unless Hawke was human.

Harold

[mesmerizedish]

haroldhardluck wrote...

topster88 wrote...

Bull. Elves, dwarves, and some humans had north american accents in DA1. there's no reason why tey couldn't have gone with one VA for each race for Hawke.

North American? The accents are British Isles for the dwarves, elves and Fereldon humans.

All dwarves and the Dalish elves had American accents in Origins. The Dalish were changed to have Welsh and Irish accents in DAII, but Dwarves are still American.

Hawke has to be human for story reasons.

[LadyVaJedi]

To me the elves sounded Scottish. Also there are different accents in the states.

[Maria Caliban]

topster88 wrote...

Macrake wrote...

Pretty simple. No time for it.

no time for what, whipping up 6 more character models for his family or rewriting a few lines?

I'm not a developer, but those things seems like relatively simple tweaks

Each set of armor is a new model. It's not 6 more models you're asking for but:
6 + Hawke's armor * 2

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 09 mai 2011 - 08:53 .

[mesmerizedish]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Hawke has to be human for story reasons.

That statement makes as much sense as MageHawke.

I agree completely.

[EDIT] Well, sort of. It's true that Hawke had to be a human with the story they told. I think that mage!Hawke didn't work with the story they told.

Modifié par ishmaeltheforsaken, 09 mai 2011 - 08:55 .

[haroldhardluck]

Night Prowler76 wrote...
In that case, why not just make Hawke a male, there is no difference between the male and female stories in DA2.

Because gamers are no longer exclusively males. When D&D first came out, there were differences between male and female characters. Then the distinction all vanished and it is now required Political Correctness for male and female characters to all be treated the same. So all romances are bi and straight romances such as Morrigan do not exist in DA2. Rather unrealistic but then so are fireball throwing mages.

Harold

[mesmerizedish]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

English is not my native language. What I meant to say is, DA2 would've still occured without Hawke's presence. The story doesn't revolve around Hawke's actions, but Anders'. So why not just let us be an elf who grew up in Kirkwall, or a dwarf?

Because then Hawke wouldn't have been the Champion. She wouldn't have been so involved with Meredith or Elthina or Orsino. The story would have occurred without Hawke, yes. But if Hawke had been an elf or a dwarf, she wouldn't have been able to observe it.

[Rockpopple]

Seems kinda simple to me: the story wouldn't have worked if Hawke wasn't human. Way too many human-specific plot-elements in the story. The fact that Hawke's family is nobility alone precludes elves, and the fact that Bethany is a mage precludes dwarves. Question answered.

[Sylvianus]

Very little credibility. From the moment where Hawke saves the city of Kirkwall, it is an elf or a dwarf does not change anything. Consideration would be there.  He is the Champion, for the people, whether ( Meredith and Orsino ) they agree or not.

Hawke would be considered based on his position, influence, capabilities, not his origin.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 09 mai 2011 - 09:09 .

[Morroian]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

English is not my native language. What I meant to say is, DA2 would've still occured without Hawke's presence. The story doesn't revolve around Hawke's actions, but Anders'.

Thats a matter of opinion, mine is that it wouldn't have played out like it did without Hawke's actions. Yes I know the opposite can be argued but IMHO Bioware's intention is that the chantry/templar/mage split is ultimately an outgrowth of Hawke's actions and that there is enough in the story as it is to justify this opinion.

[mesmerizedish]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

This is Hawke's connection to Grand Cleric Elthina: I was there when your mother was born. I baptized her, or something.

Which wouldn't have happened had she been an elf or a dwarf.

And how on earth would she not have been able to observe it. If you're a dwarf, you could've been childhood friends with Varric. You're in desperate need of money. So you talk to Bartrand, which a dwarven Hawke would probably get along with better than an elf Hawke. You still get in on the expedition.

You get in on the expedition, but you don't become well-known with the gentry or the government. The Viscount doesn't care about you, so you're not in the middle of the Qunari crisis. Meredith doesn't care about you, so you're not in the middle of the mage crisis.

Hawke is not the center of the story, but she's at the center of the story. As a dwarf or an elf, she's not. She's Merrill or Varric, who no one important care about.

[Rockpopple]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Hawke is not the center of the story, but she's at the center of the story. 

The fundamental truth about DA II and the clearest difference between the stories of DA II and Origins. Well said, sir. Extremely well said.

[Sylvianus]

The Dev's motivation to limit this wonderful part of Dragon Age is first out of the story. They then adapted the story, focusing on the new human Hawke, trying to give more substance to compensate.

Then hence are born the ideas of family, etc..

This thought is in any manner comprehensive, when we look at the numbers. Vast majority of folks have chosen the human origin...

Modifié par Sylvianus, 09 mai 2011 - 09:17 .

[Morroian]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Your argument is invalid. Wasn't The Warden either an elf, dwarf or human? and she was the bloody Hero of Fereldan!

The Warden had power purely by virtue of being a Grey Warden. Thats a big difference to Hawke.

[mesmerizedish]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Your argument is invalid. Wasn't The Warden either an elf, dwarf or human? and she was the bloody Hero of Fereldan!

You're right. My "argument" is invalid just because you say so. Sorry I even brought anything up

[MyKingdomCold]

they made Hawke human because they didn't want to deal with the one size fits all armor. The armor in Origins was magical in that the same armor could be worn by Sten, Alistair, and Oghren.