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[TEWR]

point is, citizens of Kirkwall would not let an elf achieve a high social standing. Look at the uproar they had when Merrill moves in!

[The Metalion]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Night Prowler76 wrote...

Not particularly, a childish attempt at vulgar humour on your part.

Off topic, reported.

Bwaaahaha!!! 

[Night Prowler76]

The Metalion wrote...

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Night Prowler76 wrote...

Not particularly, a childish attempt at vulgar humour on your part.

Off topic, reported.

Bwaaahaha!!! 

Bwaaahaha!!!!  Oh wait, that wasnt funny...

[TEWR]

Filament wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

point is, citizens of Kirkwall would not let an elf achieve a high social standing. Look at the uproar they had when Merrill moves in!

..not sure if serious.

2 things: 

•  Fixed
• Not sure if serious.

[Serpieri Nei]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

point is, citizens of Kirkwall would not let an elf achieve a high social standing. Look at the uproar they had when Merrill moves in!

and they did nothing about it.

edit - but they sure ddid something about the Qunari.

Modifié par Serpieri Nei, 09 mai 2011 - 11:40 .

[TEWR]

seriously, what should I be seriously sure that you were serious about not being sure if serious?

[TEWR]

Serpieri Nei wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

point is, citizens of Kirkwall would not let an elf achieve a high social standing. Look at the uproar they had when Merrill moves in!

and they did nothing about it.

edit - but they sure ddid something about the Qunari.

Most likely because hawke told them to sod off. That's what I would've done. Plus she moved in. Can't really fight the whims of someone else's home. They don't like elves in Hightown, and if a petition was made for an elf to reclaim or even buy an estate, the nobility would fight it with every ounce of their being because they're in a position to make sure it doesn't happen.

Elves wouldn't work. Dwarves wouldn't work. Qunari sure as hell wouldn't work and I don't even know what the Fex are so let's assume they wouldn't work.

I really don't see why people made such a big deal out of this. I didn't, and Dwarf Noble was my favorite origin. Was I sad that I couldn't play a dwarf in this game? Sure. But I recognized that this is about Thedas and there are going to be some (God how I hope it's only going to be some and not all) important characters who come from one set race that we can't choose from.

I'm hoping that DA3 will let us choose between races. I'm expecting the PC to be a Seeker, so I assume that we can choose whether we're a Human Seeker, an Elven Seeker, an (unlikely) Dwarven Seeker, or as the artwork of a Kossith in seeker armor has been seen, just that.

[expanding panic]

Hawke has the possibility of becoming the leader of Kirkwall. You can't have an Elf or Dwarf leading a human area.

[TEWR]

Filament wrote...

I was asking whether you were being serious about how we should look at the uproar when Merrill moves in, or whether you were being sarcastic, seeing as how there was virtually none.

oh. Well the codex on Merrill says they were in an uproar when she moved in, but only to show that the nobility do not like the idea of elves living in hightown.

Granted it would've been nice to maybe see a little uproar and not just read about it in The Daily Hellmouth, but I was trying to make a point.

[MorrigansLove]

Laziness.

[Serpieri Nei]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Serpieri Nei wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

point is, citizens of Kirkwall would not let an elf achieve a high social standing. Look at the uproar they had when Merrill moves in!

and they did nothing about it.

edit - but they sure ddid something about the Qunari.

Most likely because hawke told them to sod off. That's what I would've done. Plus she moved in. Can't really fight the whims of someone else's home. They don't like elves in Hightown, and if a petition was made for an elf to reclaim or even buy an estate, the nobility would fight it with every ounce of their being because they're in a position to make sure it doesn't happen.

Elves wouldn't work. Dwarves wouldn't work. Qunari sure as hell wouldn't work and I don't even know what the Fex are so let's assume they wouldn't work.

I really don't see why people made such a big deal out of this. I didn't, and Dwarf Noble was my favorite origin. Was I sad that I couldn't play a dwarf in this game? Sure. But I recognized that this is about Thedas and there are going to be some (God how I hope it's only going to be some and not all) important characters who come from one set race that we can't choose from.

I'm hoping that DA3 will let us choose between races. I'm expecting the PC to be a Seeker, so I assume that we can choose whether we're a Human Seeker, an Elven Seeker, an (unlikely) Dwarven Seeker, or as the artwork of a Kossith in seeker armor has been seen, just that.

Elves and Dwarves do work. Your words, Hawke would tell them to SOD off. And let's not forget that Bartrand had an estate in Hightown, and he was no noble just a wealthy entrepreneur. 

[Serpieri Nei]

expanding panic wrote...

Hawke has the possibility of becoming the leader of Kirkwall. You can't have an Elf or Dwarf leading a human area.

If this was true then why did the Quanari seize power ff they could't lead the humans? There is one noble I remember who probably regrets that he didn't obey but since he's dead it's hard to ask him.

and

Who would stop Hawke from taking power? He took out the Quanari, Orsino, and Meredith. 

Modifié par Serpieri Nei, 09 mai 2011 - 11:58 .

[Sussurus]

Personal view all you humans look alike, and as all Hawkes have only very few options.
All Hawkes are the same and alike, looks, stats, items, choices, paths, roles.. all Hawkes are the same all are human.

If you express individuality you die, Hawke is human because DA:2 is a controlling entity that likes numbers...
Say it with me I'm not a number I'm a free..

Modifié par Sussurus, 10 mai 2011 - 12:02 .

[TEWR]

Did I say the nobility would fight Dwarves trying to buy an estate? NO.


But a dwarf cannot be a mage, as we are led to believe. Current Dwarven society cannot be a mage, and the main premise of this game was that either you or your sister are an apostate in Kirkwall. That you are thrust into an ongoing war between two factions that deal with the issue of magic and YOU know something about that. Dwarves don't, and elves wouldn't be allowed in Hightown. Without living in Hightown, you are very rarely granted an audience with the Viscount, who played a crucial role in Act 2. You only meet him once in act 1, and that's because you rescue his son.

Dwarves have a low fertility rate. I read that in one of the codexes, and it's why they stick to dwarven marriages only. They don't like mixed marriages. So they wouldn't be able to sire any elven blooded or human blooded kids with magical talents.

And I said Hawke would tell the nobles to sod off for getting their nickers in a bunch for Merrill moving in. That is NOT the same as telling them to sod off when they're fighting to keep an elf from living in Hightown when he/she is petitioning to reclaim/buy an estate. Merrill is moving in. Hawke is buying the estate.

There is a big difference between the two. Don't make them the same. It won't work.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 10 mai 2011 - 12:04 .

[hoorayforicecream]

Serpieri Nei wrote...

Elves and Dwarves do work. Your words, Hawke would tell them to SOD off. And let's not forget that Bartrand had an estate in Hightown, and he was no noble just a wealthy entrepreneur. 

No, elves and dwarves do not work. They can work, but not without extensive rewrites.

[Nerdage]

Oh dear lord not this topic again..

They described it as Hawke's story back when it was announced, Hawke's a human, what more do you want? Why do you have to be a warden in Origins? Because that's the story. Why do you have be the warden commander in Awakening? Or Shepard in Mass Effect? Or Revan? Or the bhaalspawn? That's the story! What you want is a different story, one that doesn't exist, you can't complain just because they didn't write the story you wanted, that's never been the way this works.

[Serpieri Nei]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Serpieri Nei wrote...

Elves and Dwarves do work. Your words, Hawke would tell them to SOD off. And let's not forget that Bartrand had an estate in Hightown, and he was no noble just a wealthy entrepreneur. 

No, elves and dwarves do not work. They can work, but not without extensive rewrites.

Which brings us back to the more plausable reason why Hawke was made Human. Bioware did not want to spend the time/resources on creating the cut scenes, armor meshes, voice overs, and all the other elements needed for this to happen.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

No, elves and dwarves do not work. They can work, but not without extensive rewrites.

Plus... why would a dwarf or an elf leave their respective homes?  If they were in Lothering, they could just go underground or back to the Dalish or slums.

I think the whole sweep of the story works best for human.

[The Metalion]

Night Prowler76 wrote...

The Metalion wrote...

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Off topic, reported.

Bwaaahaha!!! 

Bwaaahaha!!!!  Oh wait, that wasnt funny...

Better report that, too. 

[Lumikki]

Serpieri Nei wrote...

Nobility is not required to own an estate - and Surface Dwarves have no ties to Nobility - any they did have was stripped from them.

Magic is also not required for one to choose who to side with. Mages or Templars. 

The Deep Roads expediton would still have happened if Hawke was an elf or a dwarf. The requirement was 50 gold not race.

I'm sorry, but if you remove meaning of those two thing, then the HOLE story would be different. Hole idea in story was that there is apostate magic in hawke's family and they family line was noble in Kirkwall.

Modifié par Lumikki, 10 mai 2011 - 12:20 .