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[TEWR]

Serpieri Nei wrote...

MyKingdomCold wrote...

Serpieri Nei wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

seriously....

what is so hard for people to grasp that Thedas will have some stories that revolve around a character who is from one set race?

I doubt anyone would be throwing a tantrum if the main character was just a Dwarf. Or an Elf. Or a Kossith. Or a Fex. Well, the last two everyone would definitely enjoy.

By saying "Bioware didn't bother...." you're implying that they did it out of laziness.

Why is it so hard to grasp that there is other contributing factors as to why Bioware went with a Human Hawke? No one is throwing a tantrum but yourself, and not everyone wants a Mass Effect clone set in a fantasy setting. The only implication I made was that Dragon age 2 was given a shorter devemopment cycle and that it was rushed which has backing from people that worked on the project.

Well, with the way the story is written, you couldn't be a dwarf. Because dwarves can't be magi. Plus, I don't remember there being any elven nobles in Kirkwall.  So the main contributing factor would be Hawke having noble lineage and a mage/magi in the family.

Can you point out by Bartrand would't take a Dwarf or Elf with him?

Can you point out why a Dwarf or Elf can't buy an estate ? Since Bartrand was able too?

Can you point out why the Viscount wouldn't ask an Elf or Dwarf who has words with the Quanari speak to them. When that same Elf or Dwarf has aquired status within the city?

Can you point out why a Dwarf or Elf would not get involved in the Mage vs Templar issue?  Lets, not forget that Varic, Fenris, and Merril each had a reason to do so, and not just becuase they were Hawke's Companions since Fenris had no problem throwing that away.

Fenris has a history with Tevinter Magisters.

Varric has friends that are both Mages and Templars. He tells you this in a banter.

Merrill is a mage who is comfortable living in the alienage. If you romance her, she moves in. While this irks the nobility, they can't do anything because it's Hawke's house at that point.

And once again, if Hawke was an elf, they would make sure he wouldn't get the estate because it's property of the city of Kirkwall until further notice. Humans do not hate dwarves. They hate elves.

[Crow_22]

Kinda agree with Ethereal, probably the main reason why Bioware made Hawke a human is probably because he comes from a family that has magic in their blood. Perhaps it has something to do with DA:O? (Amell, the last name of your mage maybe?) Even if you didn't have a mage for DA:O, it would still spark something among both Templars and Mages since Hawke is decent from mages.

Elves would, for the most part, be (If they are female AND danged lucky and very beautiful) become ladies in waiting (Has hinted in the noble Origins in DA:O....), otherwise the closest to nobility a City Elf can get is servant. Dwarves cannot use magic, Sandel though, that might be different.... But still, for the general most part Dwarves are NOT mages. So yeah logically considering the equality and the normal stance for humans looking at humans it makes sense that Hawke was a human.

BTW models for elves and dwarves could've been made easily, they just choose not to because of Hawke's background. AND did you guys ever stop to think that MAYBE they have Hawke for DA3, something that deals with the magic in his blood? Think about it.....

Modifié par Crow_22, 10 mai 2011 - 01:30 .

[Texhnolyze101]

because there fake hollywood wannabes

[Serpieri Nei]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Dwarves deal in
Lyrium which brings them in contact with Circle Mages, Apostates, and Templars.
Surface dwarves would also know more of the politics affecting the area around
them then the ones in Orzammar. We can also bring into question Sandal's
abilities and how the Templar's would view it. An elf may be treated like a
second class citizen but it is not written that they cannot acquire wealth,
property, or status. Which would of have been a much greater rags to riches story.

Actually, the Humans would have problems with Hawke, but much of that was glossed over by Bioware.

The Chantry has a monopoly on all lyrium the Dwarves mine. They do not come in contact with the Circles or the Templars. Only the smugglers do.

I never said elves couldn't acquire a good social standing. It just isn't going to happen until people treat them equally. Not in Kirkwall where the nobility and even the commoners talk of the elves in a disdainful fashion. Elves also don't leave the alienage unless it's a last resort, due to the sense of community they all share. This is why Denerim's Alienage elves don't go to the Dalish. Well... that and the fact they think the elves are savages.

A smuggler would be aware of the power strugle between templars and mages. In origins and in da2, we have seen templars and mages gain access to Lyrium without the Chantry knowing about it. 

The story doesn't require Hawke to be treated equally. He wasn't asked by the Viscount to speak to the Quanari because of his status. He was requested personally by the Arishok.

City elves do leave the alienage, there is an example in Origins and in da2.

[MyKingdomCold]

OK, but how would you resolve the part of the story if you were a dwarf where your father was a mage and either you or your sister was a mage as well?

[ChickenDownUnder]

@Crow_22

My elven Warden would like a word with you, being Anora's most trusted adviser and all that.

But don't mind me, still talking in my own personal bubble.

[lobi]

topster88 wrote...

What, they couldn't come up with two other character models for each of his/her family for a dwarf/elf Hawke? They couldn't have recorded race-specific lines that otherwise refered to Hawke as a human or simply made the lines that refer to his/her race ambiguous? Hawke's  background isn't even human-specific; in DA1 we see elves and dwarves living in Lothering, and Fenris lives in Hightown for years without anyone bothering him about being an elf.

I mean, yeah, the excuse BW feeds us for practically every fault this game has is how they had a year and a half to make this game, but none of this seems to be a question of time, but rather a case of them arbitrarily making the decision to remove that much more individuality from created characters and flavor.

money.

[Crow_22]

ChickenDownUnder wrote...

@Crow_22

My elven Warden would like a word with you, being Anora's most trusted adviser and all that.

But don't mind me, still talking in my own personal bubble.

Lol, a normal City Elf. Meant no offense to Wardens, just generally speaking.

Besides, if I was directing at the Elves that went somewhere in life, I would say xD

[TEWR]

Serpieri Nei wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Dwarves deal in
Lyrium which brings them in contact with Circle Mages, Apostates, and Templars.
Surface dwarves would also know more of the politics affecting the area around
them then the ones in Orzammar. We can also bring into question Sandal's
abilities and how the Templar's would view it. An elf may be treated like a
second class citizen but it is not written that they cannot acquire wealth,
property, or status. Which would of have been a much greater rags to riches story.

Actually, the Humans would have problems with Hawke, but much of that was glossed over by Bioware.

The Chantry has a monopoly on all lyrium the Dwarves mine. They do not come in contact with the Circles or the Templars. Only the smugglers do.

I never said elves couldn't acquire a good social standing. It just isn't going to happen until people treat them equally. Not in Kirkwall where the nobility and even the commoners talk of the elves in a disdainful fashion. Elves also don't leave the alienage unless it's a last resort, due to the sense of community they all share. This is why Denerim's Alienage elves don't go to the Dalish. Well... that and the fact they think the elves are savages.

A smuggler would be aware of the power strugle between templars and mages. In origins and in da2, we have seen templars and mages gain access to Lyrium without the Chantry knowing about it. 

The story doesn't require Hawke to be treated equally. He wasn't asked by the Viscount to speak to the Quanari because of his status. He was requested personally by the Arishok.

City elves do leave the alienage, there is an example in Origins and in da2.

I guess you missed the part where I said "unless it's a last resort". Pol fled due to facing the hangman's noose and at first thinks the Dalish are savages (he asks and can be comforted), and Lia's father flees due to a killer that targets elves still being alive. Those are last resorts.

A smuggler from Lothering? Really? A dwarf is going to travel back and forth to the Circle at Lake Calenhad from Lothering? That travel alone takes at least 2 weeks and at most 2 months. Sorry, it wouldn't work.

ChickenDownUnder wrote...

@Crow_22

My elven Warden would like a word with you, being Anora's most trusted adviser and all that.

But don't mind me, still talking in my own personal bubble.

The Warden is important in his own right. Race doesn't matter to people when the person is a Warden.

Also, it's hard for your elven Warden to have a word with anyone when he mysteriously vanished

[WhiteKnyght]

topster88 wrote...

What, they couldn't come up with two other character models for each of his/her family for a dwarf/elf Hawke? They couldn't have recorded race-specific lines that otherwise refered to Hawke as a human or simply made the lines that refer to his/her race ambiguous? Hawke's  background isn't even human-specific; in DA1 we see elves and dwarves living in Lothering, and Fenris lives in Hightown for years without anyone bothering him about being an elf.

I mean, yeah, the excuse BW feeds us for practically every fault this game has is how they had a year and a half to make this game, but none of this seems to be a question of time, but rather a case of them arbitrarily making the decision to remove that much more individuality from created characters and flavor.

Its actually quite simple.

1. They wanted to recreate Shepard for the DA series.

2. The Bioware team probably feels that humans are superior.

3. The Connection to the Amells(a noble human family) and their magic line wouldn't work with other races. Dwarves cant do magic and all Elven halfbreeds are always born human.

Modifié par The Grey Nayr, 10 mai 2011 - 01:53 .

[Serpieri Nei]

[quote]

/snip

Can you point out by Bartrand would't take a Dwarf or Elf with him?

Can you point out why a Dwarf or Elf can't buy an estate ? Since Bartrand was able too?

Can you point out why the Viscount wouldn't ask an Elf or Dwarf who has words with the Quanari speak to them. When that same Elf or Dwarf has aquired status within the city?

Can you point out why a Dwarf or Elf would not get involved in the Mage vs Templar issue?  Lets, not forget that Varic, Fenris, and Merril each had a reason to do so, and not just becuase they were Hawke's Companions since Fenris had no problem throwing that away.

Fenris has a history with Tevinter Magisters.

Varric has friends that are both Mages and Templars. He tells you this in a banter.

Merrill is a mage who is comfortable living in the alienage. If you romance her, she moves in. While this irks the nobility, they can't do anything because it's Hawke's house at that point.

And once again, if Hawke was an elf, they would make sure he wouldn't get the estate because it's property of the city of Kirkwall until further notice. Humans do not hate dwarves. They hate elves.[/quote]
[/quote]

You didn't answer all the above questions? Should I assume Bartrand doesn't like dwarves and elves?

Nor did you point out where an Elf is not allowed to own property? 

So a dwarf and elf has as much to do with the templar and mage conflict as a human does.

Well since the estate is the property of Kirkwall, then the property can be revoked by the Viscount. Which I believe
despite the preasure he would be under by the nobles would not be enough to do so. It was Hawke who was requested by the Arishok, and revoking his status or his home would not make him want to assist the Viscount in a matter he considered to be important at keeping the city at peace.

Modifié par Serpieri Nei, 10 mai 2011 - 01:54 .

[Serpieri Nei]

MyKingdomCold wrote...

OK, but how would you resolve the part of the story if you were a dwarf where your father was a mage and either you or your sister was a mage as well?

Are you referring to that side quest that lasted only a few minutes, that wasn't even part of the main story.

[Tommy6860]

"Why did Hawke need to be a human, exactly?"

Perhaps the other races proved to be too smart for the developers.

[ChickenDownUnder]

The Warden is important in his own right. Race doesn't matter to people when the person is a Warden.

Also, it's hard for your elven Warden to have a word with anyone when he mysteriously vanished

Same excuse can be made for the Champion. Not like Meredith and Orsino ever really listened to Hawke as it is.

Just like how the Champion mysteriously vanished. That arguement can be played both ways.

Crow_22 wrote...

Lol, a normal City Elf. Meant no offense to Wardens, just generally speaking.

Besides, if I was directing at the Elves that went somewhere in life, I would say xD

My Warden was mighty tiffed at your comment, let me tell you.

Besides which. If humans could lable Hawke as their Champion, then don't see why the elven community can't say that an elven Hawke is their Champion. Elf!Hawke would just be treated more dismissvely by humans.

[TEWR]

Oh ok, if you're going to demand that I answer every question you pose, fine. I didn't know I was required to on here, so I guess I'll just start doing that.

[quote]Serpieri Nei wrote...

You didn't answer all the above questions? Should I assume Bartrand doesn't like dwarves and elves?[/quote]

Bartrand doesn't like anyone other than himself and occasionally his brother.

[quote]

Nor did you point out where an Elf is not allowed to own property? 
[/quote]

Evidently you didn't read any of my posts thoroughly enough. here, from page 6. I said...

I never said elves couldn't acquire a good social standing. It just isn't going to happen until people treat them equally. Not in Kirkwall where the nobility and even the commoners talk of the elves in a disdainful fashion. Elves also don't leave the alienage unless it's a last resort, due to the sense of community they all share. This is why Denerim's Alienage elves don't go to the Dalish. Well... that and the fact they think the elves are savages.

[quote]

So a dwarf and elf has as much to do with the templar and mage conflict as a human does.

[/quote]

No they don't. I've given my reasons and you continue to ignore them because it wouldn't work. The story would need to be completely rewritten, and yet you say it could still work. It wouldn't.

[quote]

Well since the estate is the property of Kirkwall, then the property can be revoked by the Viscount. Which I believe
despite the preasure he would be under by the nobles would not be enough to do so. It was Hawke who was requested by the Arishok, and revoking his status or his home would not make him want to assist the Viscount in a matter he considered to be important at keeping the city at peace.[/quote]

[/quote]

I'm sorry, are you saying that the Viscount would threaten Hawke to do a task? Ok...... sure..... go on believing that.

[Serpieri Nei]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I guess you missed the part where I said "unless it's a last resort". Pol fled due to facing the hangman's noose and at first thinks the Dalish are savages (he asks and can be comforted), and Lia's father flees due to a killer that targets elves still being alive. Those are last resorts.

A smuggler from Lothering? Really? A dwarf is going to travel back and forth to the Circle at Lake Calenhad from Lothering? That travel alone takes at least 2 weeks and at most 2 months. Sorry, it wouldn't work.

Didn't missed only reinforcing it. Your forgetting the elf that went back hom to the Dalish even though her son was no longer there.

The Warden travelled back and forth, and even over a greater distance. And lots not forgot about history where traders and smugglers did travel great distances. And Lyrium is a very profitable.

[TEWR]

Serpieri Nei wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I guess you missed the part where I said "unless it's a last resort". Pol fled due to facing the hangman's noose and at first thinks the Dalish are savages (he asks and can be comforted), and Lia's father flees due to a killer that targets elves still being alive. Those are last resorts.

A smuggler from Lothering? Really? A dwarf is going to travel back and forth to the Circle at Lake Calenhad from Lothering? That travel alone takes at least 2 weeks and at most 2 months. Sorry, it wouldn't work.

Didn't missed only reinforcing it. Your forgetting the elf that went back hom to the Dalish even though her son was no longer there.

The Warden travelled back and forth, and even over a greater distance. And lots not forgot about history where traders and smugglers did travel great distances. And Lyrium is a very profitable.

Arianni was Dalish from the beginning and left because she thought the clan wouldn't want anything to do with her. She isn't an Alienage elf. She's a Dalish elf living in the Alienage. That's why elves differ themselves. You have City Elves and Dalish Elves.

You're also assuming there's any lyrium near Lothering. You're assuming there's even a mine near Lothering. Lothering is a farming village. We know of two places where lyrium can be found. Orzammar and the Mountain on top of Haven. I doubt a surface dwarf would travel to Haven, and Orzammar never let surface dwarves into their city unless they were merchants. This can change when the Warden arrives, but that's long after Lothering is destroyed.

So no. Once again, it wouldn't work.

[Serpieri Nei]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Oh ok, if you're going to demand that I answer every question you pose, fine. I didn't know I was required to on here, so I guess I'll just start doing that.

Serpieri Nei wrote...

You didn't answer all the above questions? Should I assume Bartrand doesn't like dwarves and elves?

Bartrand doesn't like anyone other than himself and occasionally his brother.

Nor did you point out where an Elf is not allowed to own property? 

Evidently you didn't read any of my posts thoroughly enough. here, from page 6. I said...

I never said elves couldn't acquire a good social standing. It just isn't going to happen until people treat them equally. Not in Kirkwall where the nobility and even the commoners talk of the elves in a disdainful fashion. Elves also don't leave the alienage unless it's a last resort, due to the sense of community they all share. This is why Denerim's Alienage elves don't go to the Dalish. Well... that and the fact they think the elves are savages.

So a dwarf and elf has as much to do with the templar and mage conflict as a human does.

No they don't. I've given my reasons and you continue to ignore them because it wouldn't work. The story would need to be completely rewritten, and yet you say it could still work. It wouldn't.

Well since the estate is the property of Kirkwall, then the property can be revoked by the Viscount. Which I believe
despite the preasure he would be under by the nobles would not be enough to do so. It was Hawke who was requested by the Arishok, and revoking his status or his home would not make him want to assist the Viscount in a matter he considered to be important at keeping the city at peace.

I'm sorry, are you saying that the Viscount would threaten Hawke to do a task? Ok...... sure..... go on believing that.

So, its quite clear that Bartrand would take anyone that had the 50 gold. So that rules out that Hawke needed to be human for the driving force of act 1.

I read your post but you still have failed to prove that only a Human can own an estate. And we have already gone over examples where City Elves do leave. Like how an elf in Lothering would have to leave due to the blight.

You seem be under some impression where I'm ignoring or making demands of you, the difference here is that I am capable of seeing both sides and the points behind them. And there is enough conjecture that shows a Human Protaganist is not required for the story of DA2.

Are you pulling back from your previous statement that they wouldn't allow an Elf to own an estate, the the Nobles would do everything in their power to make that happen?

Modifié par Serpieri Nei, 10 mai 2011 - 02:15 .

[Serpieri Nei]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Serpieri Nei wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I guess you missed the part where I said "unless it's a last resort". Pol fled due to facing the hangman's noose and at first thinks the Dalish are savages (he asks and can be comforted), and Lia's father flees due to a killer that targets elves still being alive. Those are last resorts.

A smuggler from Lothering? Really? A dwarf is going to travel back and forth to the Circle at Lake Calenhad from Lothering? That travel alone takes at least 2 weeks and at most 2 months. Sorry, it wouldn't work.

Didn't missed only reinforcing it. Your forgetting the elf that went back hom to the Dalish even though her son was no longer there.

The Warden travelled back and forth, and even over a greater distance. And lots not forgot about history where traders and smugglers did travel great distances. And Lyrium is a very profitable.

Arianni was Dalish from the beginning and left because she thought the clan wouldn't want anything to do with her. She isn't an Alienage elf. She's a Dalish elf living in the Alienage. That's why elves differ themselves. You have City Elves and Dalish Elves.

You're also assuming there's any lyrium near Lothering. You're assuming there's even a mine near Lothering. Lothering is a farming village. We know of two places where lyrium can be found. Orzammar and the Mountain on top of Haven. I doubt a surface dwarf would travel to Haven, and Orzammar never let surface dwarves into their city unless they were merchants. This can change when the Warden arrives, but that's long after Lothering is destroyed.

So no. Once again, it wouldn't work.

All elves were Dalish at one point. What circumstances drove them to live in a city or brought them to Lothering does not detour from the point that Hawke's story does not require him to be human. 

No assumptions are required since the stories are created based on fiction, and not on factual events. And what is written in fiction often referred to as cannon, and what has not been written is often left to interpretation.

[MyKingdomCold]

Serpieri Nei wrote...

MyKingdomCold wrote...

OK, but how would you resolve the part of the story if you were a dwarf where your father was a mage and either you or your sister was a mage as well?

Are you referring to that side quest that lasted only a few minutes, that wasn't even part of the main story.

what do you mean, wasn't part of the story? Your father was a mage. and if you weren't a mage, your sister was.  So, magic in your bloodlines is part of the story.

[TEWR]

I never said an elf or a dwarf couldn't go on the expedition. Search through my posts and tell me where I said that. You won't find it.

I'm not saying elves or dwarves couldn't work in any way . I'm saying that given this story that we have, it wouldn't work. So really, this whole entire thread is a moot point. The game's out and there's no reason to lament on what could've been. The past is the past.

Now, if there was an area called Midtown, I could see an elf living there. But not in Hightown. Hightown is for the nobility. everyone there has or had some sort of tie to a noble family. Even the Tethras family. They were nobles once, and even now one could say that Bartrand's running of the Dwarven Merchant's Guild makes him a sort of Merchant King.

For an elf to achieve such a social state, they would need some ties to a noble family. And no elven family has achieved noble status in human lands ever before.

And no I'm not pulling back from my previous statement.

I really don't even see the point in arguing this. The game's out and nothing can be done about it. Hell I'm hoping a dev can come in and settle this for why it could or couldn't work. And even then some people would refuse to take the developer's word on why it could or couldn't work.

[AngryFrozenWater]

topster88 wrote...

What, they couldn't come up with two other character models for each of his/her family for a dwarf/elf Hawke? They couldn't have recorded race-specific lines that otherwise refered to Hawke as a human or simply made the lines that refer to his/her race ambiguous? Hawke's  background isn't even human-specific; in DA1 we see elves and dwarves living in Lothering, and Fenris lives in Hightown for years without anyone bothering him about being an elf.

I mean, yeah, the excuse BW feeds us for practically every fault this game has is how they had a year and a half to make this game, but none of this seems to be a question of time, but rather a case of them arbitrarily making the decision to remove that much more individuality from created characters and flavor.

Notice two things that benefit each other: The PC can only be played as a human and the party members' armor cannot be changed. That means the armor that the PC finds only needs to fit Hawke and does not need to fit the elves and dwarves. Compare that to what was required for DA:O and DA:A... Human male/female, dwarfen male/female and elven male/female for each type of armor found in the game. It is just cheaper to do how it was handled in DA2. And things like "better recognition of the party members in combat" and "unique armor style for the companions" are merely side effects that can be used by the marketing department to obscure the economic benefit from less customization options, because these *sound* reasonable and believable.

[MyKingdomCold]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

topster88 wrote...

What, they couldn't come up with two other character models for each of his/her family for a dwarf/elf Hawke? They couldn't have recorded race-specific lines that otherwise refered to Hawke as a human or simply made the lines that refer to his/her race ambiguous? Hawke's  background isn't even human-specific; in DA1 we see elves and dwarves living in Lothering, and Fenris lives in Hightown for years without anyone bothering him about being an elf.

I mean, yeah, the excuse BW feeds us for practically every fault this game has is how they had a year and a half to make this game, but none of this seems to be a question of time, but rather a case of them arbitrarily making the decision to remove that much more individuality from created characters and flavor.

Notice two things that benefit each other: The PC can only be played as a human and the party members' armor cannot be changed. That means the armor that the PC finds only needs to fit Hawke and does not need to fit the elves and dwarves. Compare that to what was required for DA:O and DA:A... Human male/female, dwarfen male/female and elven male/female for each type of armor found in the game. It is just cheaper to do how it was handled in DA2. And things like "better recognition of the party members in combat" and "unique armor style for the companions" are merely side effects that can be used by the marketing department to obscure the economic benefit from less customization options, because these *sound* reasonable and believable.

unless I'm mistaken, the armor in DA O was one size fits all. Take the Blood Dragon Armor for example, Alistair, Sten, and Oghren could all wear it.  So there weren't different sizes in the shops

[Serpieri Nei]

MyKingdomCold wrote...

Serpieri Nei wrote...

MyKingdomCold wrote...

OK, but how would you resolve the part of the story if you were a dwarf where your father was a mage and either you or your sister was a mage as well?

Are you referring to that side quest that lasted only a few minutes, that wasn't even part of the main story.

what do you mean, wasn't part of the story? Your father was a mage. and if you weren't a mage, your sister was.  So, magic in your bloodlines is part of the story.

So it was the magic of my blood that brought the blight to Lothering which lead me magically ind Aveline and somehow summon Flemeth to my aid. The magic in my bloodlines is what allowed Bartrand to take me along to the Deep Roads, and not the 50 gold. Any why didn't my blood persuade Bartrand to take me along in the first place? Was It the magic in my Blood that had the Arishok make a personal request to the Viscount for me to speak to him. It was the magic in my blood that made me choose between the Mage and Templars? Because I'm quite sure it was Anders who put me in that situation in the first place.

[AngryFrozenWater]

MyKingdomCold wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

topster88 wrote...

What, they couldn't come up with two other character models for each of his/her family for a dwarf/elf Hawke? They couldn't have recorded race-specific lines that otherwise refered to Hawke as a human or simply made the lines that refer to his/her race ambiguous? Hawke's  background isn't even human-specific; in DA1 we see elves and dwarves living in Lothering, and Fenris lives in Hightown for years without anyone bothering him about being an elf.

I mean, yeah, the excuse BW feeds us for practically every fault this game has is how they had a year and a half to make this game, but none of this seems to be a question of time, but rather a case of them arbitrarily making the decision to remove that much more individuality from created characters and flavor.

Notice two things that benefit each other: The PC can only be played as a human and the party members' armor cannot be changed. That means the armor that the PC finds only needs to fit Hawke and does not need to fit the elves and dwarves. Compare that to what was required for DA:O and DA:A... Human male/female, dwarfen male/female and elven male/female for each type of armor found in the game. It is just cheaper to do how it was handled in DA2. And things like "better recognition of the party members in combat" and "unique armor style for the companions" are merely side effects that can be used by the marketing department to obscure the economic benefit from less customization options, because these *sound* reasonable and believable.

unless I'm mistaken, the armor in DA O was one size fits all. Take the Blood Dragon Armor for example, Alistair, Sten, and Oghren could all wear it.  So there weren't different sizes in the shops

The fact that they seem the same in shops and loot doesn't matter. They still needed to fit dwarfs, elves, qunari and humans. They differ in size and belly shape. Elven ears can get in the way of the hats and helmets. Male and female armor were different in design (males in the game tend not to have boobs). So, there need to be different models of the same armor or the software engineers need to find an acceptable way to make them fit.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 10 mai 2011 - 03:00 .