Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams wrote...
Drachasor wrote...
The Quarians committed a heinous crime when they created an intelligent race, then immediately tried to commit genocide. They screwed up, big time. Getting them to realize this shall be difficult.
There are a lot of unfounded assumptions in a statement such as this. Using terms such as "heinous" and "genocide" when describing relations with a group of machines is very loaded. The question of what constitutes "life" is a nuanced issue.
EDIT: On topic, both Gerrel and Xen's ideas are most preferable. The Quarians need to retake their homeworld. They are going nowhere as a race and will eventually wither and die without the galaxy giving a damn. The retaking, however, should not be rushed into, and all options should be considered (i.e. Xen's research). If the Quarians manage to get the Geth under control, that's a plus. If destroying the Geth is the only option, it's not a big deal.
It's hardly "loaded." We're talking about thinking beings here. Sure, it might not be life in a BIOLOGICAL sense, but they are certainly intelligent entities. Defining biological life precisely is a nuanced issue. However the rights of sentients is a completely different matter from what they are composed of. The Geth can think, learn calculus (one of Mordin's measures), and in all ways that matter are sentient non-biological life -- like say, Data from Star Trek TNG. Destroying them is killing, and yes killing them all is genocide and is heinous. The Quarians trying to wipe out a young AI trying to figure the world out is just as heinous as if they tried to wipe out their own children. Remember, the Geth did NOTHING to provoke violence; they only asked questions about the nature of existence. Later they were forced to defend themselves.
I see you advocate murdering every member of a civilization or enslaving them though.
Silrian wrote...
I'll bring some change about: I'm with Admiral vas Moreh.
I
think we learn during Legion's loyalty mission that the real Geth are
neither (necessarily) hostile, nor are they an organic race, ergo Legion
subsequently states that 'organic morality' doesn't apply. They're
machines, the Quarians created them but they screwed up. They should
reclaim the Geth, at least as allies (though maybe not as slaves) and
retake their home world because imo a machine can't really 'own'
something (wether organic life can is another debate).
As for the
experiments: I don't see the problem, Legion himself states not having
emotions etc. Legion has no trouble completely mind wiping a part of his
people: efficiency clearly trumps any sort of lifelike moral.
That
said I do have some gut feeling vas Moreh represents a 'renegade'
option even though I would pick this route as a paragon affiliate as
well.
Some points. We learn the Geth don't have any problem with organic races and feel everyone should self-determine their future. Pretty sensible attitude of them. We also learn the Legion isn't all that great at figuring out moral quandaries, because he doesn't reach any conclusions there. Of course, it is a somewhat tricky problem he is dealing with, killing or manipulating the minds of a bunch of Geth -- personally I view the mind manipulation as forced psychotherapy and hence is preferable. Certainly there's no reason to take one random statement of his regarding one specific problem (the geth aiding the Reapers which are a threat to life of all kinds in the Galaxy) and try to apply it to something completely different (how one should treat Geth as a whole).
Why do you make such a distinction between organic and inorganic life? Does it really matter the material a thinking being is composed of? If so, what is the rational basis for saying one material is superior to another?
Oh, and we also learn Legion lacks a certain amount of self-awareness. He claims to not have emotions, but this simply isn't true. If the Geth didn't have feelings, then they'd have no desire to survive and would have been wiped out. If they didn't have feelings, then they wouldn't have any desire to reconcile with the creators (which Legion indicates they do, as long as the creators can be trusted). If Legion had no feelings he wouldn't have patched his whole with something so obviously sentimental. So he certainly has feelings (as any intelligent entity must, for without feelings of some sort you can have no goals, drives, etc....you would do nothing).
Modifié par Drachasor, 09 mai 2011 - 07:20 .
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