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[DeadLetterBox]

Saphra Deden wrote...

DeadLetterBox wrote...

If you take Legion with you to talk to the Admirals Qwib Qwib will ask if there can be peace, and Legion says it would take a lot to convince the geth since every other truce they've attempted with the creators has ended in another attack on the geth. 

Oh no no, hold on a minute there. Legion never says anything about the geth ever attempting any kind of truce. All he says is that when the quarians thought they could win they attacked. This is consistent with the behavior of any faction during a war. Like, say, the Morning War.

This is a logical observation for the geth to make, but it in no way reflects poorly on the quarians. To date the attempt at a truce we've seen has been one offered by the quarians. The geth have never made any such offers to anyone and have actively rejected offers of peace.

You're right that isn't exactly what Legion said.  Here's a link to video.  The dialogue with Qwib Qwib starts at 2:42:

[Dean_the_Young]

jamesp81 wrote...

The punishment was exile.  The punishment was exile because 1) the Quarians don't have the death penalty and 2) they can't afford to house prisoners or life sentences.  If they did have the death penalty, I'm quite certain they'd have imposed it in the case of a guilty verdict.  What they did is morally equivalent to attempting to put someone to death, who was innocent, for politlcal reasons.  They are not going to find that I'm OK with that since no harm no foul.  Or, to paraphrase Shepard when he talked to Ronald Taylor, there's no way he's going to let this slide.  A price will be paid.

Execution is not equivalent to being kicked out, nor have the worst banana republics even needed due process to kill someone. You have abandoned all sense of proportionality.

It doesn't matter if you think my final argument is petty.  Shepard can supply some damned good reasons for recruiting a few shady individuals.  The Admiralty board has not rendered a single solitary reason, of any kind, why they were charging an innocent person with a capital offense.

It wasn't a capital offense, and the entire direction of the Migrant Fleet, whether it would throw itself onto the sword of war or would risk making itself stationary by settling a colony world. The fates of millions were tied up in how the fate of one person was resolved. That's every reason for the leaders to counter what one started.

And it's really not going to matter if my argument is petty when I hit the button that blows Koris and Xen out the airlock.

Sure it will: pettyness is part of how Shepard will be remembered by when he then turns around and begs the Quarians to help liberate Earth.

[KnightofPhoenix]

GodWood wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Xen is the only admiral that I respect.

That's precisely why I will kill her in ME3 if I get the chance.

Ok, wat?

She's the only one who has plans to turn the Quarians into a major power. If the Heretics almost managed to bring the Citadel to its knees and they are only 5%, what would happen if the Quarians assume control over all the Geth?
They will easily turn into a superpower.

That's a respectable goal. And one that conflicts with my goal of human hegemony. Hence, she has to die. But I still respect her.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 10 mai 2011 - 01:57 .

[Undertone]

Saphra Deden wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

That's a respectable goal. And one that conflicts with my goal of human hegemony. Hence, she has to die. But I still respect her.

Humanity needs more men like you!

Hehe I agree. More and more of our kind becomes corrupted under the influence of those vile aliens.

[NKKKK]

There is no Human Hegemony! ONLY A MONOGAMOUS EMPIRE RULED BY SHEPARD!

[tjzsf]

Raan (Tali's "auntie"). Xen has too much of a "mad science" vibe to be trustworthy. Dislike Koris's bleeding-heart attitude - think at the time, the best option for the quarians to do was to shut down the geth before they could become full-fledged AIs (at least, based on the at-the-time assumption they had not become so). Gerrel's....just an idiot. The geth kicked the crap out of you back when you had a homeworld and a manufacturing base and all of your population, what makes you think you can take the geth now?

[MikeNoBrake]

First of all Xen has no idea of what has to do with.
In any case the war would be simply untenable for the fleet, so a pacific solution is the only way the quarians can take.

[atheelogos]

Saphra Deden wrote...

I support Admiral Xen in the fullest.

Ultimately it comes down to me feeling the quarians have the right to choose whether they want their homeworld or not, even if it that means evicting or destroying or subjugating the geth. I don't regard the geth as sentient beings. As far as I'm concerned they are just rogue chat-bots.

In any case, Admiral Xen offers the most logical way of achieving victory should the quarians decide to try and take back the planet. Koris asks for peace, but peace may only be temporary. In the even it fails we need someone like Xen ready to eliminate the threat. Gerrel's approach is just too reckless and destructive.

If the quarians decide to forget about taking the homeworld and instead side with Koris, then that's fine. That's their choice. I'm just glad we humans have Overlord.

Xen is the only rational voice on the Admiralty board. The others are pushed to extremes or unwilling to take any kind of stand (Shala).

Xen wants slaves! How the hell is that more rational than wanting peace?

[Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams]

atheelogos wrote...

Xen wants slaves! How the hell is that more rational than wanting peace?

1. Xen wants robot helpers, not slaves.

2. Most people "want" peace, but not at the expense of the slow death of their race. All of the Admirals are proposing ideas for which future peace is the goal, they just have different ways of going about it. The keyword for Qwib-Qwib is that he wants diplomacy.

[oldag07]

Qwib Qwib. . The decision would have been more difficult without the Legion subplot. But I would still say don't fight the Geth.

[Elite Midget]

The one that kills Tali.

[Nashiktal]

Saphra Deden wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

Xen wants slaves! How the hell is that more rational than wanting peace?

They wouldn't be slaves, they would just be machines.

More importantly though, this is a bloodless way for the quarians to get what they want and to eliminate a threat to their people at the same time.

I agree. Its just unfortunate that the geth are sentient, and not kill-bots like they were in ME1, or i'd probably be more inclinded to agree with her.

[OrlesianWardenCommander]

If I had too choose I'd side with legion but I'm gona try too play the negotiator on this choice.

[Randy1012]

I don't support any of them. It's their own fault they lost their homeworld. They shouldn't have started the war. I guess that would put me closest to Zaal'Koris; at least he realizes the quarians are in the wrong.

[atheelogos]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

I agree. Its just unfortunate that the geth are sentient, and not kill-bots like they were in ME1, or i'd probably be more inclinded to agree with her.

They are killbots.

No they are not.