Would you rather have had Dragon Age a trilogy with the same character or an ongoing franchise with a different character on each?
#51
Guest_Blanchefleur_*
Posté 10 mai 2011 - 07:41
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#52
Posté 10 mai 2011 - 07:46
Actually, it's really amazing to see how people play certain games differently than others. I'd write a thesis on it - if I weren't a lazy mother#$*@er
In any case, no to the Warden (imho). For the next full non-expansion DA game I'd like to see a new character take the lead, but I would like for the Warden and Hawke to make significant cameos.
#53
Posté 10 mai 2011 - 07:52
OT, I like playing different characters, and playing the same characters for too long makes me a bit bored, so no more Warden and no more Hawke would be fine with me (though an xp with Hawke would be good). A Seeker next time?
#54
Posté 10 mai 2011 - 07:53
Rockpopple wrote...
It amazes me how people would want to keep playing with their Warden, but I guess they were more attached to him/her than I was. I guess since the Warden is kinda/sorta/notquite a blank-slate, a lot of people can project onto them.
Actually, it's really amazing to see how people play certain games differently than others. I'd write a thesis on it - if I weren't a lazy mother#$*@er
In any case, no to the Warden (imho). For the next full non-expansion DA game I'd like to see a new character take the lead, but I would like for the Warden and Hawke to make significant cameos.
It is really interesting. Its a shame that you don't go on and write a paper about it though, I'm sure it would be a good read.
Cameos would be nice too... but the problem with Hawke or the Warden making them is that they are the players characters, and anything that they would do in the cameo would have to be very very insignificant because of how diffrently one Warden or Hawke could be from someone elses. Their cameos would have no substance.
#55
Posté 10 mai 2011 - 08:52
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Posté 10 mai 2011 - 09:03
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Posté 10 mai 2011 - 09:54
#58
Posté 10 mai 2011 - 11:55
#59
Posté 10 mai 2011 - 12:26
Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 10 mai 2011 - 12:27 .
#60
Posté 10 mai 2011 - 12:32
AngryFrozenWater wrote...
I am not attached to Hawke. She doesn't feel like I can control her. She just responds to the story. For me that means any character will do. ME was different. The idea was to have a trilogy from the start. But after that I am fine with another character. I think an old PC character should be connected to her followers. A Hawke without the DA2 companions and the Warden without the DA:O companions doesn't feel right. It's no surprise that ME3 brings back a lot of the old (ME1) crew. I think a lot of people not only get attached to the PC, they also get attached to her followers.
This^ I couldn't agree more. I have responded with those who compare the series, and they cannot be comapred. The dialogue wheel, for example, worked well for ME, because that's how the game started and it carried over into ME2 well, though the RPG elements were a bit scaled back. Origins to DA2 is a 180 turn from anything representative of DA:O style gameplay, and the use of the DW was not DA, it just doesn't fit. <looks above my head for DA2 lovers to fall into my room and attack me>
#61
Posté 10 mai 2011 - 01:25
#62
Posté 10 mai 2011 - 01:29
Bioware have stated that that the epilogues from Origins should be treated as 'hearsay' - that means I have no idea where my Wardens are anymore. I have no closure from Origins because of the changes that have been made to the results of the Warden's story.
I see Alistair in Kirkwall - according to 2 of my female Wardens epilogues they should have been around (I imagine) since They and Alistair disappeared somewhere-nobody-knows-where.
Zevvy was there cleaning up business with the crows - has he gone back to his hubby warden?
/sigh - I played the Wardens enough, I want to know what happened to them =/ If that means another game, so be it!
Hawke however - I don't give a baboons bottom.
((psst Bioware, you can even use the amnesia/ ability drain tactic if you have to!! I don't mind - just let me know what happens to them!))
Modifié par vitae-vixi, 10 mai 2011 - 01:32 .
#63
Posté 10 mai 2011 - 01:29
And from a design perspective, it helps eliminate the "how do we get him back to level 1" problem.
#64
Guest_Alistairlover94_*
Posté 10 mai 2011 - 01:31
Guest_Alistairlover94_*
Yellow Words wrote...
I would like a new protagonist but I wouldn't mind playing with Hawke some more. I do not want the Warden back though.
Opposite of this. Screw that Commander Shepard-wannabe! I did not care at all for her story, her siblings or her mother(which were seriously underdeveloped characters, and you didn't get enough interaction with them to really care).
Modifié par Alistairlover94, 10 mai 2011 - 01:33 .
#65
Posté 10 mai 2011 - 01:35
Alistairlover94 wrote...
Yellow Words wrote...
I would like a new protagonist but I wouldn't mind playing with Hawke some more. I do not want the Warden back though.
Opposite of this. Screw that Commander Shepard-wannabe! I did not care at all for her story, her siblings or her mother(which were seriously underdeveloped characters, and you didn't get enough interaction with them to really care).
#66
Guest_Alistairlover94_*
Posté 10 mai 2011 - 01:37
Guest_Alistairlover94_*
vitae-vixi wrote...
Alistairlover94 wrote...
Yellow Words wrote...
I would like a new protagonist but I wouldn't mind playing with Hawke some more. I do not want the Warden back though.
Opposite of this. Screw that Commander Shepard-wannabe! I did not care at all for her story, her siblings or her mother(which were seriously underdeveloped characters, and you didn't get enough interaction with them to really care).Alistairlover.
*fist-bumps vitae-vixi*
#67
Posté 10 mai 2011 - 01:49
I don't think you'd need a trilogy for a given character like ME, but it would be neat if they could develop the world A Song of Ice and Fire style where you can bring back the Warden and Hawke for DA3 (should the story call for it) to have multiple protagonists and different points of view on one big event/war/conflict.
But like AngryFrozenWater mentioned, attachment to one PC generally means attachment to those companion characters. Bringing back an old companion character to interact with a different PC is mostly annoying as it either means you're rehashing old ground and lose any connection the old PC had with the companion or it means the writers likely have the old companion character pull a 180, like Anders, so that they're "new" for the new protagonist, which I don't care for either.
Basically, there shouldn't be some rule that you need a new PC every game. All I know is that if they ever get around to dealing with Morrigan and the OGB and my Warden isn't involved in some meaningful way and its some random Most Important Person in The World Hero of Thedas dealing with that stuff which my Warden started, thats likely when I stop caring about DA.
Modifié par Brockololly, 10 mai 2011 - 01:53 .
#68
Posté 10 mai 2011 - 02:23
Alistairlover94 wrote...
vitae-vixi wrote...
Alistairlover94 wrote...
Yellow Words wrote...
I would like a new protagonist but I wouldn't mind playing with Hawke some more. I do not want the Warden back though.
Opposite of this. Screw that Commander Shepard-wannabe! I did not care at all for her story, her siblings or her mother(which were seriously underdeveloped characters, and you didn't get enough interaction with them to really care).Alistairlover.
*fist-bumps vitae-vixi*
I hope I can join the fist bump. If I had to have a return character...my Warden definitely, Hawke..no.
#69
Guest_Alistairlover94_*
Posté 10 mai 2011 - 02:27
Guest_Alistairlover94_*
erynnar wrote...
Alistairlover94 wrote...
vitae-vixi wrote...
Alistairlover94 wrote...
Yellow Words wrote...
I would like a new protagonist but I wouldn't mind playing with Hawke some more. I do not want the Warden back though.
Opposite of this. Screw that Commander Shepard-wannabe! I did not care at all for her story, her siblings or her mother(which were seriously underdeveloped characters, and you didn't get enough interaction with them to really care).Alistairlover.
*fist-bumps vitae-vixi*
I hope I can join the fist bump. If I had to have a return character...my Warden definitely, Hawke..no.
Of course you can! The more, the merrier!
#70
Posté 10 mai 2011 - 02:40
#71
Posté 10 mai 2011 - 03:03
GreyWarden36 wrote...
Would you rather have Dragon Age a trilogy that revovled around the Warden?
or
Would you rather have Dragon Age an ongoing franchise that revovles around different characters on each separate title? (DA3,DA4,DA5...)
The second choice.
I would love a story that span for the entire dragon age seen through the eye of a different protagonist for each book/game .
#72
Guest_DSerpa_*
Posté 10 mai 2011 - 03:11
Guest_DSerpa_*
Tommy6860 wrote...
<looks above my head for DA2 lovers to fall into my room and attack me>
Modifié par DSerpa, 10 mai 2011 - 03:12 .
#73
Guest_Alistairlover94_*
Posté 10 mai 2011 - 03:11
Guest_Alistairlover94_*
Giubba1985 wrote...
GreyWarden36 wrote...
Would you rather have Dragon Age a trilogy that revovled around the Warden?
or
Would you rather have Dragon Age an ongoing franchise that revovles around different characters on each separate title? (DA3,DA4,DA5...)
The second choice.
I would love a story that span for the entire dragon age seen through the eye of a different protagonist for each book/game .
Considering how DA2 ended, it seems like Hawke will be the Commander Shepard of the DA franchise from now on(which I hope not!
#74
Guest_Alistairlover94_*
Posté 10 mai 2011 - 03:13
Guest_Alistairlover94_*
DSerpa wrote...
Tommy6860 wrote...
<looks above my head for DA2 lovers to fall into my room and attack me>![]()
Swooping. Is. Bad...
#75
Guest_DSerpa_*
Posté 10 mai 2011 - 03:38
Guest_DSerpa_*
Rockpopple wrote...
It amazes me how people would want to keep playing with their Warden, but I guess they were more attached to him/her than I was. I guess since the Warden is kinda/sorta/notquite a blank-slate, a lot of people can project onto them.
Actually, it's really amazing to see how people play certain games differently than others. I'd write a thesis on it - if I weren't a lazy mother#$*@er
In any case, no to the Warden (imho). For the next full non-expansion DA game I'd like to see a new character take the lead, but I would like for the Warden and Hawke to make significant cameos.
It's not so much that we're obsessively attached to the Warden, it's just that the alternative is a really terrible idea. As I said on the first page, a new protagonist every game might work for action RPGs with self-contained stories (i.e. TES), but it's a poor idea for a story-based RPG franchise that emphasizes continuity between games. The Warden is closely involved with all of the major open plot threads, save for the mage uprising. Hawke is involed with... nothing, really. Anders has more to do with the mage rebellion than Hawke. It doesn't make sense to drop the Warden and switch to a blank slate just for the sake of a blank slate.
If the open plot threads are addressed, why not address them with the character that knows them best--The Warden?
If the open plot threads are ignored, then who the hell cares about the next game? It's just going to be another unresolved story with another blank face who mysteriously vanishes at the end.
I'd be fine with leaving the Warden if DA:O actually had a satisfactory end to the Warden's story. It doesn't.
I'm fine with leaving Hawke because, like everything else in DA II, the main conflict between the templars and mages is beyond Hawke's control.





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