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[Pious_Augustus]

 
I think it’s a fair question and one that goes along with how I feel. I’ve been upset with Dragon Age 2 since it came out at first I thought the Demo was just that a Demo. It started like that and of course you could role play in Lothering before the game truly started a prologue but no when I got it I was introduced to creatures that reminded me from something from He-Man to be honest with all the gay content I am surprised I was not running around in something that looks like European Swim wear for males *a nod to Final Fantasy XI*
 
All I seem to do is complain, and it seems to be unhealthy. I never thought I would be this distraught over a video game. I mean I was upset when Final Fantasy was taken over and hijacked and now its **** but that’s a different story.
 
I have been trying to set myself on a self imposed exile until the next major release of DLC or expansion but I find myself at work and home to see Bioware’s horrid response to fan complaints.
 
Seriously, this is not a troll thread I am a person who used to love a company would plays Bioware games when they first come out and beat them a couple of times and moves on….but I can’t seem to play this game again out of fear of me becoming very angry that I lose points in a video game because I do not want to be gay. God that’s one true head line Fox News can run with….see here I go again. I can’t stop obsessing about it.
 
Bioware might it right with an expansion that is worthy of your studio. Ditch the people who have made Bioware infamous in their response and treatment of Dragon Age 2!
 
I would of wrote more but it would have been all complaints about the situation anyways back to the topic

Modifié par Pious_Augustus, 10 mai 2011 - 03:30 .

[TRSniper4]

I'm obsessed, but only out of fear that further streamlining is the future of RPGs. I see the success or failure of DA2 as being indicative of what's to come. Will we see a future where Doom and Call of Duty are considered RPGs, because "you play the role of the character assigned to you?" Or will developers eventually hit a wall, where further streamlining proves unprofitable? I like games all across the spectrum, from shooters to RPGs, but I don't want RPGs to die out completely.

I'm also bothered by the cut corners (level design, ninja drops, etc) and what I call the "monster truck show-ization" of the series (exploding corpses, overly loud sound effects, stylistic combat, etc).

When it comes down to it, I'm obsessed out of fear that this will be the future of RPGs. Overall, I *liked* DA2, but I certainly didn't love it. It will be a game I play to bridge between DA:O and DA3, rather than a game I look forward to playing weeks before I can play it.

edit: I feel this is especially bad, since I'd rather be playing and modding games, rather than ranting about them :/.  I just got over my disappointment in TESIV: Oblivion a month ago... and it was released in 2006!

Modifié par TRSniper4, 10 mai 2011 - 04:40 .

[Andraste_Reborn]

I'm certainly obsessed with Dragon Age - but that's because I love both games.

I mean this in the nicest possible way, but: maybe it's time for people who don't like DA2 to find a game they enjoy playing more? I understand the disappointment when you like the first thing in a series and then hate the sequel, but after this long I'm not sure spending time ranting about it is worthwhile. BioWare have seen the criticism threads, and are doubtless well aware of what people hate about DA2 by now. If it's making you angry and upset, it may be a good idea to invest emotionally in a game you actually like.

When I hated the Neverwinter Nights original campaign, I played it once, complained to my friends, and then moved on to something better. (Can't remember what the game was, but since the NWN1 OC is top of my 'worst games I have ever played all the way through' list, I must have considered whatever came next an improvement.) I certainly wasn't still on the forums two months later.

Modifié par Andrastee, 10 mai 2011 - 04:44 .

[deuce985]

Obsessed to see it turn into the best game it should be, yea. I'm personally just waiting on Witcher 2. I'm sure that game will remedy a lot of complaints I had with DA2.

[Mezinger]

I was obsessed, but now I'm hooked on L.A. Noire... Hello the future of Role Playing and choices that matter! You can keep Commander Shepard and Champion Hawke... because now I've got Detective Cole Phelps... come on May 17th.

Modifié par Mezinger, 10 mai 2011 - 04:58 .

[Texhnolyze101]

Mezinger wrote...

I was obsessed, but now I'm hooked on L.A. Noire... Hello the future of Role Playing and choices that matter! You can keep Commander Shepard and Champion Hawke... because now I've got Detective Cole Phelps... come on May 17th.

i pre-orderd that for the PS3 but i don't think PSN will be up my may 17th but im not getting it for my 360 because the PS3 version comes with extra mission dlc but i won't be able to redeem the dlc

[Shirosaki17]

Filament wrote...
Once again, it's not "losing points," it's losing approval which is an entirely rational expectation of how someone would take being rejected. And you can't play the game out of fear that you'll get angry the one time this occurs in the game? Yeah, that's pretty irrational.

There are a lot of legitimate complaints you can point to as to why maybe DA2 failed to live up to its predecessor, but this one is marginal at best.

I disagree. If I hit on a girl that happened to be a lesbian, I wouldn't be upset if she told me she was gay. Doesn't make any sense to get upset at a person over that.

I have a question for the OP though. Why would you be waiting to spend money on a DLC to a crappy game you don't enjoy? Seems kind of counter productive to keep on giving Bioware money for the crap they put out.

Modifié par Shirosaki17, 10 mai 2011 - 05:08 .

[Maria Caliban]

Pious_Augustus wrote...

 
I think it’s a fair question and one that goes along with how I feel. I’ve been upset with Dragon Age 2 since it came out...

Don't waste your time, or your life, with things that don't bring you joy.

If you feel BioWare has cheated you out of $60, aren't you cheating yourself by spending time on their forums?

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 10 mai 2011 - 05:10 .

[Sabriana]

I don't think I'm doing much ranting. I read a lot of posts, trying to see if my expectation were too high, and/or if my standards are. It's mostly out of shock I suppose. I've been playing RPGs for a long time, had a hand in making them interesting for others, and was happy to see that my own kids also favor them.

It's the disappointment, when it comes down to it, really. Not even NWN disappointed me this much, because the modders had their hands on it soon enough. Then came the sequels. SoU wasn't all that good, but I found it better. Then came my favorite RPG of all time HotU. So in the past bioware was certainly capable of making less than stellar games, but they never went that far away from quality as with DA 2, imo. RPG-wise, NWN was still a RPG in the way that I, personally define them, it simply wasn't well told. DA 2 veers so far out of the genre (for me) that it was simply disappointing.

I am a member of plenty of forums, post in some, lurk in many, and usually stay logged in for quick access, because I'm usually quite busy. RPGs are my escape from the world, yes, even my beloved family and friends. Bioware used to deliver me the ways and means to relax and regroup, while having a lot of fun doing it. Playing DA 2 was a terrible disappointment for me, and it lingers.

I'm also a bit worried that the trend and the path of one of best (imo) story/companion RPC developers will continue down an avenue that I can't follow. It's like seeing the imminent loss of a friend in a way. I'm pessimistic, but I'll get over it. Meanwhile, I'll try my best to convey my opinions and criticism, because there still is a flicker of hope that this was a one-time slip up (for me).

I'm not ready to drop them yet. I have dropped other devs far quicker, because if I'm anything, I'm very consequent. But not bioware, not yet. I'm simply hoping that the typical bioware RPG is not dead yet, and that the voices of the disappointed will be heard in some way, shape, or form. If yes, I'll be happy. If no, I will need to follow my own path, as they will have to follow theirs.

The conclusion of this long-winded post is this: I don't think I'm obsessed, but I know that people tend to forget complaints and criticism when said complaints and criticism stops. Usually it is falsely believed that the critics "got over it".

That was the usual way it happens, concerning bioware. It's what they are used to. They never had such a backlash, and imo, that backlash is deserved. I feel the need to let them know that "no, I will not get over it, this isn't the usual discontent and disappointment, this time around you really messed up for me, in a way that I simply can't accept in any way."

NOTE: The preceding post is my opinion, personal, not applicaple to anyone, etc.

[AtreiyaN7]

I've wasted more money on MP3 players that I ended up hating. Actually, wait, I don't hate my Clix - that's pretty fun, but I digress. I remember buying a Sony Vaio MP3 player because some of the features interested me. It cost...$200 - something like that. It also ended up having extremely flaky controls that needed constant calibration, and it was way too heavy and bulky. You know what happened after that?

Instead of screaming, obsessing overy flaw or unproductively ranting online, I got over my disappointment! I considered it a valuable learning experience involving MP3 players and moved on with my life. Moving on involved getting an iPod Touch (3d gen) and eventually getting the 4th gen version with a spiffier display. We're now living happily ever after. I'm pretty sure you can find another game to love and cherish forever and ever too - just like me and my iPod.

The End

[Andraste_Reborn]

The discourse will continue as long as it continues, and will end when it will end. There is nothing anyone can do to shorten it or extend it even if they choose to. I choose to just go along and contribute to it constructively - and have some fun doing it.

Indeed - and I certainly don't people who aren't as in love with the game as I am to stop posting! I would quickly get bored in an echo chamber, I'm sure.

I just find it bemusing that there are people who don't just dislike the game or find it mediocre but actually hate it and feel angry about it still posting here. I only ever spend time in internet forums for things I like (be they video games or TV shows or whatever) so getting online to rant is anthithetical to the way I use social media. Different strokes for different folks, I suppose.

Modifié par Andrastee, 10 mai 2011 - 05:31 .

[Shirosaki17]

Filament wrote...

Shirosaki17 wrote...

Filament wrote...
Once again, it's not "losing points," it's losing approval which is an entirely rational expectation of how someone would take being rejected. And you can't play the game out of fear that you'll get angry the one time this occurs in the game? Yeah, that's pretty irrational.

There are a lot of legitimate complaints you can point to as to why maybe DA2 failed to live up to its predecessor, but this one is marginal at best.

I disagree. If I hit on a girl that happened to be a lesbian, I wouldn't be upset if she told me she was gay. Doesn't make any sense to get upset at a person over that.

Well I didn't say everyone is going to be like that. But do you deny that anyone could possibly feel spurned by it?

It's also obviously a much more complex reaction than can be quantified by +x or -x, of course, like most things. But -x in this case is pretty reasonable.

Also take into account that the only "rejection" option is pretty blunt. It would have been nice to have a more neutral "I'm just not into that" option, yes.

I disagree on it being reasonable. Yeah there may be some people out there, but I don't think most would get upset over it unless they had something against gay people.

I also bet that if a gay guy hit on me and I turned him down by waving my hands in front of my chest while saying, "He..Hey. Back off." that I would appear homopobic.
This happens when you turn Fenris down.

It's just awful writing and programming that they didn't put an option to say I'm hetero or even gay if Isabela hits on you and have the characters reactions to you adjusted properly.

[Esbatty]

The BSN is like the Weather Channel. I watch the Weather Channel because it comforts me to know that there are people out there more miserable than me.

[Skilled Seeker]

Bunch of drama queens with nothing better to do with your lives the lot of you. I hope you guys are the last people Bioware takes tips from.

[Sabriana]

I agree with Filament. It was simply an oversight at best. Come on, just turn him down and get it over with is my philosophy. I'm sorry, but things like that never bothered me in the least, be it in RL or in games. I've been hit on by women, I've turned them down, we all moved on. So I can't really contribute here, because being so vastly bothered by a pixel toon is not something that I can easily wrap my head around.

As for Fenris, it must be a different gaming experience between playing wHawke and mHawke. Both my girls had to initiate the romance. Sure, he complimented them, but he never went after either one without being given the "green light", and he definitely never approached them in a way that they had to wave their hands and turn him down in such a forceful way.

Both of them shut Anders down immediately. The loss of friend/gain of rivalry was utterly insignificant. Well, it was in my play-through.

Edited to add: I certainly wish that the "drama queens" who admonish the "drama queens" would take a good, hard look at themselves. Sweeping generalizations are as bad as so called pointless complaining. If you have nothing to say but insult a bunch of people by sweeping them all under the same rug, then do everyone a favor and say nothing at all.

I'm quite certain that bioware devs know what to take seriously and what to simply shrug off. They are not stupid, nor are they inexperienced in fielding criticism.

I'm also sure that any OMG Anders hit on me thread will go the way all the others went soon enough.

Modifié par Sabriana, 10 mai 2011 - 06:48 .

[Andraste_Reborn]

Now there's a conversation I wish would go away: does this really need to be yet another 'OMG ANDERS HIT ON ME!' thread?

[TEWR]

Esbatty wrote...

The BSN is like the Weather Channel. I watch the Weather Channel because it comforts me to know that there are people out there more miserable than me.

Sig worthy!

[Gibb_Shepard]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Bunch of drama queens with nothing better to do with your lives the lot of you. I hope you guys are the last people Bioware takes tips from.

There is no better way to get a point across than to **** and **** and **** about it. It may seem immature, and a waste of time, but it works. From the recent posts i've seen from the devs, they are really taking in fan feedback.

That wouldn't have happened if these people stayed quiet.

[Sabriana]

@ OP

After reading through the forum (glancing over it, more like), I, personally can't see anything unhealthy from other posters that sticks out. I do feel quite deceived by your thread. I initially thought it meant what it said, but after reading through it, and seeing the development of the thread it becomes clear, to me, that it is indeed a thinly veiled attempt to once again push "Anders" into the foreground.

I've seen no other posters who are still as "obsessed" with this issue as you are. This will lead to nothing, because it's truly not something that the majority has an issue with, imo. Perhaps it would be best if you stepped away from the game and the forums to ponder why this is such a big issue for you.