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[Persephone]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

@Perse I guess Mike Laidlaw was right. Text IS a pretty horrible medium for conveying sarcasm.

No way, we cannot have that. Take it back! Right NOW!

[mousestalker]

At this point if you have a beef with Dragon Age 2, you might want to consider having steak for dinner. Not even PETA would object to that.

[lobi]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

mousestalker wrote...

At this point if you have a beef with Dragon Age 2, you might want to consider having steak for dinner. Not even PETA would object to that.

ROFL!

Beef substitute, It comes in a tube. Just go to your local butcher and tell him that you have a craving for tube steak.

[flexxdk]

mousestalker wrote...

At this point if you have a beef with Dragon Age 2, you might want to consider having steak for dinner. Not even PETA would object to that.

But what if I don't like steak?

[macrocarl]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Bunch of drama queens with nothing better to do with your lives the lot of you. I hope you guys are the last people Bioware takes tips from.

There is no better way to get a point across than to **** and **** and **** about it. It may seem immature, and a waste of time, but it works. From the recent posts i've seen from the devs, they are really taking in fan feedback.

That wouldn't have happened if these people stayed quiet.

No it *has* happened already.  BW has a history of listening to fan feedback when it's constructive and actually helpful. There's a lot of ranting and pointless ****ing on the forum which is not the opposite of staying quiet.

[flexxdk]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Whacka wrote...

mousestalker wrote...

At this point if you have a beef with Dragon Age 2, you might want to consider having steak for dinner. Not even PETA would object to that.

But what if I don't like steak?

Whacka, you're a vegeterian?

I always figured you where a big buff manly type, who eats 10 tons of steak, drinks vodka mixed with Whiskey, and craps thunder.

I'm not a vegetarian. I just don't like steak.

I like spare ribs more anyway...

Modifié par Whacka, 10 mai 2011 - 03:13 .

[San Diego Thief]

I agree with TRSniper4 - I almost feel like we are defending the future of RPGs. I have played The Witcher and it is in no way similar to the original Dragon Age and Baldurs Gate. It seemed that only Bioware knew how to combine choices, companions, and magic items into a amazing world. I guess I am hanging on that glimmer of hope that Bioware will go back to its roots or divide their development team into two - one for RPGs and one for Action RPGs. In fact, I even wrote a letter and mailed it to Mike Laidlaw which probably ended up in the trash.

[Oloria]

I was disappointed with Awakenings. It wasn't bad, just pretty average. Not up to the standards of what I'd come to expect from Bioware, to echo some of the complaints people have with DA2.

I played through Awakenings once, then put it back on my shelf, where I expect it will probably stay indefinitely. Don't think I posted about it once, since all my disappointments had already been expressed on the forums by posters far more eloquent than me. Why not? If a game doesn't interest me, then I find something else that does.

I don't mean this as a criticism to those who post genuinely good feedback with their likes and dislikes of a game - this kind of criticism I am sure is valuable and maybe even helps to shape future design decisions. If I could ever muster the motivation to do that for a game I didn't care for, then I'm sure I would.

But for those who continue to troll with little more to add other than snarks, hateful comments, the same tired old "jokes" over and over... well, I just don't understand. Coping mechanism? Still don't understand. I agree that the effort should probably be channeled into something more constructive.

Also I agree with Sabriana that while many have given good reasons for their disappointment with DA2, the OP's "OMG Anders hit on me" is not one of them (and I hope Bioware are ignoring it completely). You get the same reaction with a female character. I turned him down, got rivalry points, but earned them back in friendship very easily. No big deal at all (and if you're trying to max rivalry with him, it's even less of a big deal). A gentler let down might have been nice, but one minor dialogue oversight is hardly a game-breaking experience that warrants anger bordering on obession.

[Huntress]

Pious_Augustus wrote...

 
I think it’s a fair question and one that goes along with how I feel. I’ve been upset with Dragon Age 2 since it came out at first I thought the Demo was just that a Demo. It started like that and of course you could role play in Lothering before the game truly started a prologue but no when I got it I was introduced to creatures that reminded me from something from He-Man to be honest with all the gay content I am surprised I was not running around in something that looks like European Swim wear for males *a nod to Final Fantasy XI*
 
All I seem to do is complain....

Then I ask you to:

1) Step away from bioware all together until, you feel healed!! Thats what I have done with WOW, I closed the account and never turn back to the forum, I log to say hello to friends until the time runs out. Simple!

2)Go and search for more "fun" games out there. I did this and found DAO!

[Shadowbanner]

TRSniper4 wrote...

I'm obsessed, but only out of fear that further streamlining is the future of RPGs. I see the success or failure of DA2 as being indicative of what's to come. Will we see a future where Doom and Call of Duty are considered RPGs, because "you play the role of the character assigned to you?" Or will developers eventually hit a wall, where further streamlining proves unprofitable? I like games all across the spectrum, from shooters to RPGs, but I don't want RPGs to die out completely.

I'm also bothered by the cut corners (level design, ninja drops, etc) and what I call the "monster truck show-ization" of the series (exploding corpses, overly loud sound effects, stylistic combat, etc).

When it comes down to it, I'm obsessed out of fear that this will be the future of RPGs. Overall, I *liked* DA2, but I certainly didn't love it. It will be a game I play to bridge between DA:O and DA3, rather than a game I look forward to playing weeks before I can play it.

edit: I feel this is especially bad, since I'd rather be playing and modding games, rather than ranting about them :/.  I just got over my disappointment in TESIV: Oblivion a month ago... and it was released in 2006!

Obssessed? Hmm, strong word. I guess I am, yes.

Fact is I cannot remember a game that has irritated me so much as DA2, maybe because my expectations were so very high after having fallen in love with DA:O.

I agree with TRSniper4, its not so much that DA2 has infuriated me, it's that the current trend of RPG consolization is a source of major concern for me. This worry started with ME2 already and with Civilization V it alarmed me. The game had been totally dumbed-down! What took you 2 years to beat a game on Sid level in Civ III in Civ V it was a matter of playing for 2 months!! And the fault of this lay on Xbox's Civilization Revolution which spearheaded the streamlining of "complicated features" to "appeal to a broader fanbase". Sound familiar?

I confess I came to know RPG's only very recently. I've always been a hardcore PC gamer, but not RPG games, strategy games like Total War and Civilization were what I liked. Ocassionally I played dumb FPS in my Xbox to relax and chill out from playing complex PC TBS and RTS games. It was back in 2007 when I purchased this Xbox shooter called "Mass Effect". Previews were hot. It was like another Halo. It had something of an "RPG" label on it but frankly as long as it had guns and you could kill aliens I was cool. Cool futuristic weapons and killing aliens just couldn't possibly go wrong in my book (yes I know what you're thinking: what a jerk; I guess I was a bit of a dumb console CoD player).

So when I started playing it on the first level, Eden Prime, I was like man this is a ****ing terrible shooter. These jerks from BioWare just don't have a clue on designing a proper FPS (I was that lost, yeah, sad); these guys cannot compare with Bungy in anyway. Why the hell does Shepard keep talking and talking all the time! Where's the action? I was literally bored to tears and about to switch it off cursing game reviewers that had given it glowing previews. But since I had pre-orderd the collector's edition I continued playing it and well, as the saying goes, the rest is history. I was so blown away it was incredible. I replayed it over and over and over again in different ways. It was like starring in your very own movie. God I nearly cried the first time, right at the end, when I saw Shepard crawling out from the citadel debris pulling off a crooked smile and limping after having killed Saren. Just E-P-I-C. The music, brilliant. What an interactive experience. No other console game had done this to me.

So I started reading more and more on this "RPG concept" and found I actually loved it. Oblivion would follow, then Fallout 3, Dragon Age Origins, then Mass Effect 2 and now I find myself buying from Ebay old used copies of Baldur's Gate and Planescape: Torment! I only played RPGs on my console but if everyone says BG and company are the best RPGS "evar" I'll just have to suck it, princess!, and buy and play them for my PC.

So for me the last 3 or 4 years has been initiating and self-educating myself on what RPGs are about and completely and hopelessly falling in love with them (hope my wife doesn't read this). And BioWare are to blame for this, big time! It's their own fault for making such fine masterpieces. Gosh I hate Sid Meier and BioWare for making such awesome games that suck your life away.

So moving forward, 4 years on I was so eager on playing DA2... It was a major letdown, a disappointment, a splendid mediocrity. So I've found myself first lurking and now finally writing posts on these forums to defend a certain sensibility of making RPGs. The current streamlining trend has me worried sick because I fear RPGs will cease to exist as we know them. Evolution is good, I'm all up for it, but not drastic changes to the point there's a major change in genres and games end up being completely dumbed-down.

So I guess, like TRSniper4, I want to make a stand to raise our concerns regarding this consolization trend which ironically has been devised to appeal to guys like me in 2007 who only played shooters on consoles. I can just picture myself in 2007 and I know I would have never been remotely interested in DA2 (I mean, really, gay NPCs that hit on you? And you actually have to pay for the privilege??!!). Anyway now from the perspective only time and more maturity can give you, DA2 still doesn't appeal to me but for a whole number of different reasons which have already been recollected ad nauseam in a myriad of threads by fellow gamers and RPG-lovers in this and other sites.

Posting here is chatartic in a way and I'm glad I'm not alone and many others also feel like me that enough is enough when it comes to RPGs streamlining and dEAvil publishers must understand once and for all they must focus on their niche RPG market and not run astray appealing to broader crowds who couldn't care less on a friggin' RPG, unless it has big guns and straight sex like ME3, of course!!

Modifié par Shadowbanner, 10 mai 2011 - 07:58 .

[Morroian]

Shadowbanner wrote...

So when I started playing it on the first level, Eden Prime, I was like man this is a ****ing terrible shooter. These jerks from BioWare just don't have a clue on designing a proper FPS (I was that lost, yeah, sad); these guys cannot compare with Bungy in anyway. Why the hell does Shepard keep talking and talking all the time! Where's the action? I was literally bored to tears and about to switch it off cursing game reviewers that had given it glowing previews. But since I had pre-orderd the collector's edition I continued playing it and well, as the saying goes, the rest is history. I was so blown away it was incredible. I replayed it over and over and over again in different ways. It was like starring in your very own movie. 

Ironically this cinematic emphasis that you apparently like is also whats driving the change to these bigger budget rpg games.

[Haexpane]

Well quite frankly I don't think I would have made it past act 1 without the PSN being down and locking me out of DC universe online.

So yeah, it's pointless and unhealthy for me to point out what I dislike about DA2 even tho as a SIG EDITION pre order owner on the PS3, I am the customer that was crapped on the hardest by EA.

I am fully aware that it's fruitless for me to post my opinion now, seems like the one Bioware Dev who would listen and possibly glean items from it, quit working for Bioware and left the company mid development of DA2

I should have quit EA when he did and saved myself the aggravation

[TheTranzor]

I think it's a healthy obsession.  All the teary-eyed, pillow-teared, wrist-cutting, sandy vajayjay postings make me giggle.  And as we all know, giggling releases tingly endorphins that make us feel good. 

[lobi]

TheTranzor wrote...

I think it's a healthy obsession.  All the teary-eyed, pillow-teared, wrist-cutting, sandy vajayjay postings make me giggle.  And as we all know, giggling releases tingly endorphins that make us feel good. 

I loved Marlee Matlin  in "what the Bleep'.

[TheTranzor]

lobi wrote...

TheTranzor wrote...

I think it's a healthy obsession.  All the teary-eyed, pillow-teared, wrist-cutting, sandy vajayjay postings make me giggle.  And as we all know, giggling releases tingly endorphins that make us feel good. 

I loved Marlee Matlin  in "what the Bleep'.

Underrated performance for sure... but I liked her better in "What the #$*! Do We (K)now!?".

[88mphSlayer]

i think all the ranting is boring

when you've got a point - say it, redundant essays prove nothing about anything other than how bored you are

[Zanallen]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

But I do wonder why on God's green earth he would say such a thing. Hasn't he heard of Jane Austen, Charles Dickens or *insert A-W-E-S-O-M-E author here*

I do wonder how DG feels about that stament.

You do realize that all of those people are authors of novels right? And that novels have text above and beyond the dialogue to allow you to understand the context and tone? Mike Laidlaw was referring to dialogue within the games. Without intent/tone icons or [sarcarm]/[lie] modifiers, it is almost impossible to convey meaning through the dialogue itself.

But of course, you would know that because you are a reasonably intelligent person.

[ThePinkFoxx]

I admit, I talk about it a little too much
I wouldn't say it's an unhealthy obession though.

[RPGmom28]

I haven't been ranting, but I have been READING a great deal of it. I'm not exactly sure why. If I put my mind to the real reason, the only thing I can come up with is that I am feeling vaguely dissatisfied with DA2 as compared to DA:O and hoping that someone will be able to put that into words.

[ChickenDownUnder]

I always pick apart games to see their unholy guts. DA2 is just the latest to undergo such torture.

[JabbaDaHutt30]

Persephone wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Warheadz wrote...

This isn't an unhealthy obsession. This is a fight for the good, to thwart the evil that is trying to destroy the world. And we keep coming back, because we are long past the point of no return. When we crossed that point, we knew that most likely we would forfeit our lives, but we are doing this so that YOUR children don't have to grow up in a world filled with DA2's.

"This is the point from which I could never return
And if I back down now then forever I burn
This is the point from which I could never retreat
Cause If I turn back now there can never be peace
This is the point from which I will die and succeed
Living the struggle, I know I'm alive when I bleed
From now on it can never be the same as before
Cause the place I'm from doesn't exist anymore"
-The point of no return, by Immortal Technique

Never give up, my brethren!

*salutes Warheadz* Maker bless you, sir!

I do hope that's a joke.

Yeah, well, don't tell anyone else.