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[TheTranzor]

JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

ChickenDownUnder wrote...

I always pick apart games to see their unholy guts. DA2 is just the latest to undergo such torture.

And if any game deserves to be picked apart, it's definitely this one.

I can think of at least 10 candiates more "deserving" of that honor.

Go ahead...?

Here I'll help you out since I consider myself an expert on terrible games... I've even tried to collect games like these over the years, and have owned most if not all of them at one time or another. 

Superman 64 (N64)
Night Trap (Genesis 32x CD)
Daikatana (PC, N64)
Shaq Fu (SNES)
ET: The Extraterrestrial (Atari 2600)
Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing (PC)
Leisure Suit Larry: Box Office Bust (Xbox 360, PS3, PC)
Hour of Victory (Xbox 360)
Iggy's Reckin' Balls (N64)
Drake of the 99 Dragons (Xbox, PC)

All of the above games makes DA2 look like a masterpiece of video game achievement.  In fact, play this murderer's row of interactive poopie, and if you haven't cut your own throat with the broken shard of a game disc, you'll have a new-found appreciation for games like DA2 which fall into the "not THAT bad" category.

[Gavinthelocust]

Abispa wrote...

That's a truly disturbing number of "Spaceballs" references. Actually, a disturbing number of the SAME "Spaceballs reference.

I like referencing movies to make a point, unfortunately I couldn't come up with a horrible pale fat thing the second time around so Pizza The Hut it is.

[TheTranzor]

erynnar wrote...

TheTranzor wrote...

erynnar wrote...


Yeah, I don't go with that ****e. I call them on it. And I HATE when people call someone a name, ie: fanbois (sets my teeth on edge) console kiddie, PC elitetist, rose glasses wearign, blah blah blah.

But I don't have to call on trolls to go to their bridges as often as I used to. What we all do here isn't ranting as far as I'm concerned.

Huh... and here I thought I was an idiot console jockey without two brain cells to rub together and wouldn't begin to know how to play a game without a controller strapped to my hand that blindly loves everything DA even if it's a box of Qunari droppings with Bioware stamped on the side of it and has the attention span of a fruit...

OH HEY THERE GOES A SQUIRREL!!!  *runs after it*

Tranzor you are the awesome button. *pushes Tranzor*  And I am a PC elitist whiner who wears rose colored glasses and only wants Tolkien style stories while crying in the corner whining because BioWare didn't make the game I wanted. 

OH HEY THERE GOES TRANZOR AND A SQUIRREL!!! *runs after Tranzor and the squirrel*

I'm the awesome button!  That's so going to be my sig. 

See... PC elitist whiners wearing rose colored glasses can get along with idiot console jockeys that don't have two brain cells to rub together. 

[Abispa]

JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

ChickenDownUnder wrote...

I always pick apart games to see their unholy guts. DA2 is just the latest to undergo such torture.

And if any game deserves to be picked apart, it's definitely this one.

I can think of at least 10 candiates more "deserving" of that honor.

Go ahead...?

1) Almost the entire MLB 2K series since 2K got the exclusive MLB license.
2) The Bouncer.
3) Farmville.
4) Neverwinter Nights (Main Adventure).
5) Star Wars: Nights of the Old Republic 2.
6) Alpha Protocol.
7) Any of the 3D Sonic adventure games.
8) D&D The Temple of Elemental Evil.
9) Ballz.
10) SNES Battletoads.

[Mavkiel]

Alpha protocol, people like to complain about it, but I actually enjoyed that game more then da2.

Complaining about farmville? At that point why don't I just pick out some random $1 jrpg and complain about it.

NWN, sure the campaign sucked, but it was actually redeemed by its expansions. Hordes of the underdark remain one of my favorite games. I seriously doubt this game will receive any such dlc treatment. *cough* Who wants to bet more 5 dollar dlc will be released? Never thought horse armor dlc would look good compared to what bioware is releasing now.

[Abispa]

My list was a bit tongue and cheek, and "picked apart," to me isn't the same as "I hated everything about it." I thought AP had some interesting ideas, and it is too bad that we'll never see sequel that tries to remedy the problems with it.

I, too, like NWN: HotU, but I wonder if you're willing to play $30 to $40 for a true expansion to DA2?

[Woofy128]

OP, if you find that it's upsetting you so much, just relax and move on. If you must, quit the video games hobby for a year or two. Play tabletop wargames, or p&p RPGs. We all get frustrated with the directions our hobbies are going from time to time, and I think it's healthy to shift gears here and there and see what else the world of Geekery has to offer.

[Cyberstrike nTo]

Pious_Augustus wrote...
Seriously, this is not a troll thread I am a person who used to love a company would plays Bioware games when they first come out and beat them a couple of times and moves on….but I can’t seem to play this game again out of fear of me becoming very angry that I lose points in a video game because I do not want to be gay. God that’s one true head line Fox News can run with….see here I go again. I can’t stop obsessing aboout it.

I don't think a video game can turn you gay, AFIK either you are gay or your not.

If you don't like DAII, post your problems with the game in the appropriate thread/forum, then sell it, or give it away and move on to another game that you enjoy.

I didn't like TNA Impact: The Game I stated on several sites why I didn't like the game and quickly moved on to another game that I did like.

In other words: live and learn.

FTR I enjoyed Dragon Age II quite a bit and I'm still having a lot of fun playing it.

Modifié par Cyberstrike nTo, 14 mai 2011 - 01:29 .

[Cyberstrike nTo]

Woofy128 wrote...

OP, if you find that it's upsetting you so much, just relax and move on. If you must, quit the video games hobby for a year or two. Play tabletop wargames, or p&p RPGs. We all get frustrated with the directions our hobbies are going from time to time, and I think it's healthy to shift gears here and there and see what else the world of Geekery has to offer.

Exactly. Life's too short to be angry all the time. Go read, collect toys, watch new or classic movies and/or TV shows, or something else that bring you happiness. 

[SkittlesKat96]

I complain about DA 2 but the problem is I reckon people are complaining for the wrong reasons...isn't the real reason why DA 2 is bad is because it's rushed? All the vocal Rpg fans are adding all this "voiced protagonists are bad" and "the new companion system is bad and should be scrapped completely" stuff into the mix and I think a lot of that stuff is moving into the right direction

[JabbaDaHutt30]

Gavinthelocust wrote...

I've seen some of the same faces here for two months complaining about DA2.
I'm fairly sure it's unhealthy to constantly talk about something you claim to despise. If not for your personality at least stop it for your completion, ranting on a computer for long periods of time turns you into Pizza The Hut.

I assume the relation with my name is just coincidental?

[erynnar]

TheTranzor wrote...

erynnar wrote...

TheTranzor wrote...

erynnar wrote...


Yeah, I don't go with that ****e. I call them on it. And I HATE when people call someone a name, ie: fanbois (sets my teeth on edge) console kiddie, PC elitetist, rose glasses wearign, blah blah blah.

But I don't have to call on trolls to go to their bridges as often as I used to. What we all do here isn't ranting as far as I'm concerned.

Huh... and here I thought I was an idiot console jockey without two brain cells to rub together and wouldn't begin to know how to play a game without a controller strapped to my hand that blindly loves everything DA even if it's a box of Qunari droppings with Bioware stamped on the side of it and has the attention span of a fruit...

OH HEY THERE GOES A SQUIRREL!!!  *runs after it*

Tranzor you are the awesome button. *pushes Tranzor*  And I am a PC elitist whiner who wears rose colored glasses and only wants Tolkien style stories while crying in the corner whining because BioWare didn't make the game I wanted. 

OH HEY THERE GOES TRANZOR AND A SQUIRREL!!! *runs after Tranzor and the squirrel*

I'm the awesome button!  That's so going to be my sig. 

See... PC elitist whiners wearing rose colored glasses can get along with idiot console jockeys that don't have two brain cells to rub together. 

Aw! It must be love!

[erynnar]

SkittlesKat96 wrote...

I complain about DA 2 but the problem is I reckon people are complaining for the wrong reasons...isn't the real reason why DA 2 is bad is because it's rushed? All the vocal Rpg fans are adding all this "voiced protagonists are bad" and "the new companion system is bad and should be scrapped completely" stuff into the mix and I think a lot of that stuff is moving into the right direction

And that is your opinion. As it is the other people's opinion to the opposite. Me, I hope they take what worked from DA2, and what worked from DAO and create DA3 with it.

[Addai]

quote
Has ranting about Dragon Age 2 become an unhealthy obession for you?

quote


(husband)


Nope.

1) I had lowered expectations based on some of the previous DA DLC releases and Awakening so I was actually mostly happy.




2) I kind of see this is a case of unrealistic expectations.    Basically people have had the kinds of devotion to Origons that I've only seen with MMPORGs (which charge you a monthly fee).    While it was awesome that the game could have that sort of replayability and impact it's unrealistic to think that would happen for every game of the series when the only income generated after the box is a little DLC $ here and there.  

Now if Bioware wasn't owned by EA maybe that could happen.    But we would need some kind of reward system similar to what exists in Origons where we bribe all the game writers with their favorite stuff, and score lots of warm fuzzy points with them to work above and beyond the call of duty, although I think the writers and producers are somewhat semi inclined to do this out of love for the art etc.




3) I have been a fan of cognitive therapy, especially Rational emotive therapy (see link)

www.rebtnetwork.org/whatis.html


I believe when people have strong reactions like this it is because they have bought into beliefs and ideas that essentially are disfunctional.   So I try not to do that, as the old band Devo once sang in one of their old tunes ("Love without Anger" I think),   "Why believe in things that only make it tough on you?"

Modifié par Addai67, 14 mai 2011 - 05:21 .

[BeefoTheBold]

I wouldn't say "unhealthy obsession" is the right phrasing.

I think "dedicated concern" is a better choice of wording. I see Bioware sprinting away from their core fanbase like myself and I'm trying to change their minds by posting here. I'm trying to make my presence and feedback felt by letting them know that they're losing many customers like me that have been very longterm fans of theirs.

DA2 is the clearest example of what they're doing to lose me, so it's the game I spend the most time talking about.

[KLUME777]

I was very obsessed with these forums and DA2, but in the past week, i have been forced to ditch all my pastimes because of school exams.

[Bryy_Miller]

deuce985 wrote...

Obsessed to see it turn into the best game it should be, yea.

Game's kind of out.

If this is th reason you still complain about it, then yes - it is unhealthy.

[Woofy128]

SkittlesKat96 wrote...

I complain about DA 2 but the problem is I reckon people are complaining for the wrong reasons...isn't the real reason why DA 2 is bad is because it's rushed? All the vocal Rpg fans are adding all this "voiced protagonists are bad" and "the new companion system is bad and should be scrapped completely" stuff into the mix and I think a lot of that stuff is moving into the right direction

I agree, a lot of the changes in DA2 were in a very positive direction. People who complain about them are generally stuck in the past recalling their fond adolescent memories of text-heavy infinity engine RPGs and unreasonably expecting that every single new game that comes out will magically recall their childhood memories. When it fails to happen, they blame the studio instead of their own expectations.

The other factor is players approaching RPGs (and really, all cultural artifacts) in the wrong way. You have to meet them half way and see what the designer is trying to do. Sitting back like an inert object and expecting to be spoon-fed concern for characters, story, etc. is absurd. It does not work that way, ever, and it never will. I can't count how many scathing criticism for DA2 were about how the game didn't make the critic care for the characters. Guess whose role it is to care for the characters? Yours. The writer's role is to write humanity into them. Your role is to identify that and make it resonate with you as the audience. Most criticisms I've read were by players who were, to use a popular internet phrase, doin it rong.

[Well]

Woofy128 wrote...

SkittlesKat96 wrote...

I complain about DA 2 but the problem is I reckon people are complaining for the wrong reasons...isn't the real reason why DA 2 is bad is because it's rushed? All the vocal Rpg fans are adding all this "voiced protagonists are bad" and "the new companion system is bad and should be scrapped completely" stuff into the mix and I think a lot of that stuff is moving into the right direction

I agree, a lot of the changes in DA2 were in a very positive direction. People who complain about them are generally stuck in the past recalling their fond adolescent memories of text-heavy infinity engine RPGs and unreasonably expecting that every single new game that comes out will magically recall their childhood memories. When it fails to happen, they blame the studio instead of their own expectations.

The other factor is players approaching RPGs (and really, all cultural artifacts) in the wrong way. You have to meet them half way and see what the designer is trying to do. Sitting back like an inert object and expecting to be spoon-fed concern for characters, story, etc. is absurd. It does not work that way, ever, and it never will. I can't count how many scathing criticism for DA2 were about how the game didn't make the critic care for the characters. Guess whose role it is to care for the characters? Yours. The writer's role is to write humanity into them. Your role is to identify that and make it resonate with you as the audience. Most criticisms I've read were by players who were, to use a popular internet phrase, doin it rong.

Your opinion doesnt equal facts.I say many of those that complain about those complaining cant except the fact that there were people who honestly didnt like it.You may not like the fact that other people have different views but you cant change that.You can make up all the stuff you want about people that dont toe the line with what you thought of the game.Does not matter.So you can continue lie about the reason people dont like the game but it is just a bunch BS.

[Tommy6860]

Well wrote...

Woofy128 wrote...

SkittlesKat96 wrote...

I complain about DA 2 but the problem is I reckon people are complaining for the wrong reasons...isn't the real reason why DA 2 is bad is because it's rushed? All the vocal Rpg fans are adding all this "voiced protagonists are bad" and "the new companion system is bad and should be scrapped completely" stuff into the mix and I think a lot of that stuff is moving into the right direction

I agree, a lot of the changes in DA2 were in a very positive direction. People who complain about them are generally stuck in the past recalling their fond adolescent memories of text-heavy infinity engine RPGs and unreasonably expecting that every single new game that comes out will magically recall their childhood memories. When it fails to happen, they blame the studio instead of their own expectations.

The other factor is players approaching RPGs (and really, all cultural artifacts) in the wrong way. You have to meet them half way and see what the designer is trying to do. Sitting back like an inert object and expecting to be spoon-fed concern for characters, story, etc. is absurd. It does not work that way, ever, and it never will. I can't count how many scathing criticism for DA2 were about how the game didn't make the critic care for the characters. Guess whose role it is to care for the characters? Yours. The writer's role is to write humanity into them. Your role is to identify that and make it resonate with you as the audience. Most criticisms I've read were by players who were, to use a popular internet phrase, doin it rong.

Your opinion doesnt equal facts.I say many of those that complain about those complaining cant except the fact that there were people who honestly didnt like it.You may not like the fact that other people have different views but you cant change that.You can make up all the stuff you want about people that dont toe the line with what you thought of the game.Does not matter.So you can continue lie about the reason people dont like the game but it is just a bunch BS.

When I look at yours and Woofy's avatars, then read the posts between you two, it looks like a real flame war.

[dshoub]

At first I was rather upset (as upset as someone can get over a video game) about how DA2 had turned out, and not simply because I loved Origins, but because of all the massive bugs, crappy quests, plots that made no sense, and a whole slew of other thigns I won't bother getting into. So I b!tched and moaned about it for a time and then moved on. I have to much going on for me to obsess over a game regardless of how disappointed I was in it. But yeah I'm right there with the OP regarding my thoughts on the game, but I'm a realist and I know that all the complaining in the world won't do a bit of good, because as long as the game makes a profit Bioware will call it a success and continue business as usual, it sucks but that's the sad truth of it.

[Woofy128]

Tommy6860 wrote...

When I look at yours and Woofy's avatars, then read the posts between you two, it looks like a real flame war.

Ain't no flame war like a fire mephit flame war.

[Abispa]

Well and Woofy128 better be careful, I don't want another forum taken over by comments complaining about flamers taking over in DA2.

[JabbaDaHutt30]

Woofy128 wrote...

SkittlesKat96 wrote...

I complain about DA 2 but the problem is I reckon people are complaining for the wrong reasons...isn't the real reason why DA 2 is bad is because it's rushed? All the vocal Rpg fans are adding all this "voiced protagonists are bad" and "the new companion system is bad and should be scrapped completely" stuff into the mix and I think a lot of that stuff is moving into the right direction

I agree, a lot of the changes in DA2 were in a very positive direction. People who complain about them are generally stuck in the past recalling their fond adolescent memories of text-heavy infinity engine RPGs and unreasonably expecting that every single new game that comes out will magically recall their childhood memories. When it fails to happen, they blame the studio instead of their own expectations.

The other factor is players approaching RPGs (and really, all cultural artifacts) in the wrong way. You have to meet them half way and see what the designer is trying to do. Sitting back like an inert object and expecting to be spoon-fed concern for characters, story, etc. is absurd. It does not work that way, ever, and it never will. I can't count how many scathing criticism for DA2 were about how the game didn't make the critic care for the characters. Guess whose role it is to care for the characters? Yours. The writer's role is to write humanity into them. Your role is to identify that and make it resonate with you as the audience. Most criticisms I've read were by players who were, to use a popular internet phrase, doin it rong.

My responsibility to like Dragon Age 2's writing? Priceless.

[Woofy128]

JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...

My responsibility to like Dragon Age 2's writing? Priceless.

You're right, I'm sorry. Your emotional impotence is obviously David Gaider's fault, that fiend in human shape who eats broken bottles and sacrifices small animals at the time of the full moon.