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[General_Minus]

I can hardly believe that every single companion I have (except Sebastion) is Bisexual. That is the most rediculous part of this game I have ever experience. I never rememeber Anders being Bi or Merrill being Bi.

For Isabella sure but Fenris mmmm maybe....

Anyway, I was looking through the reasoning behind it and found out most fans wanted it?

I also don't believe the majority of everyone in this board is gay, lesbian or bi. That would be far fetched.  

[OldMan91]

I also don't believe the majority of everyone in this board is gay, lesbian or bi. That would be far fetched.

Of course we're all bisexual. Didn't you notice? In fact we're conspiring to deprive every white, male, heterosexual gamer of their romances. I have the plan laid out and everything. It's actually a pretty good plan. I even used the BATNA method to write it out.

Modifié par OldMan91, 10 mai 2011 - 09:47 .

[whykikyouwhy]

I believe that the bisexuality of the companions is to allow those characters to be available as love interests for however you play Hawke. It's to allow a bit of fairness with the romance options. Guys and girls alike can woo Isabela, guys and girls alike can woo Fenris, etc.

[bleetman]

Bloody hell. Not this again.

[Merchant2006]

Here we go! ALL ABOARRRRRD!

[General_Minus]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

I believe that the bisexuality of the companions is to allow those characters to be available as love interests for however you play Hawke. It's to allow a bit of fairness with the romance options. Guys and girls alike can woo Isabela, guys and girls alike can woo Fenris, etc.

But doesn't that alienate the Straight gamer crowd?

I know everyone want equal choice and options but I don't think straight gamers who want a Bi option should speak for the GLBT crowd, you can't not know what a gay person want or feel. It's like asking a man what does child birth feels. You can't.

[TheBlackBaron]

fwiw, OP, I do think it's rather unusual that all four are bi, and I do believe that in Anders' case it's an outright retcon (not Merrill's, though - she had all of fifteen minutes of screen time in DA:O, you can't draw anything but the most basic generalizations from that). But it's not that big a of a deal. Really. Don't worry about it, there are far more things to complain about with this game.

[General_Minus]

TheBlackBaron wrote...



fwiw, OP, I do think it's rather unusual that all four are bi, and I do believe that in Anders' case it's an outright retcon (not Merrill's, though - she had all of fifteen minutes of screen time in DA:O, you can't draw anything but the most basic generalizations from that). But it's not that big a of a deal. Really. Don't worry about it, there are far more things to complain about with this game.

Like what? I enjoyed the game except for the Bi options:mellow:

[Soulcheg]

So, this is "Anders made me gay" thread again?

[whykikyouwhy]

@General_Minus - There have been several threads on this subject in the past (just did a cursory search - there are plenty more):

http://social.biowar...4/index/6784323

http://social.biowar...6/index/6733396

The theories/arguments/points to ponder have run the gamut and are quite interesting. Might be worth a gander.

[bleetman]

General_Minus wrote...

But doesn't that alienate the Straight gamer crowd?

If they're put by the vague flirtations of a fictional character of their own own gender so much, I honestly don't care. Let them exercise their righteous indignation whilst playing near every other sodding game in existance.

[General_Minus]

bleetman wrote...

General_Minus wrote...

But doesn't that alienate the Straight gamer crowd?

If they're put by the vague flirtations of a fictional character of their own own gender so much, I honestly don't care. Let them exercise their righteous indignation whilst playing near every other sodding game in existance.

GAY PEOPLE don't flirt with random men. Except for bars and clubs. Bioware should had employ ACTUALLY GAY PEOPLE, not forum users who pretends to either be bi or a whiny troll

[Esbatty]

Its not like you have to share YOUR particular set of LIs with anyone else's Hawke. Everytime you fire up a new game you have a fresh set of the same companions ready to follow you to hell and back with the occassional break for flirtation and sweet sweet fadin' to black.

[Andraste_Reborn]

Speaking as a straight gamer, I think having four bisexual love interests is the best possible way of handling things given resource limitations. (In an ideal world, I'd probably have two straight, two bi and two gay - which would be even fairer but also even more contrived.)

Also, this does not make all your companions bi. Varric, Aveline, Sebastian (as you yourself mentioned) and Bethany and Carver are all straight as far as we're told. That makes five straight companions and four bisexuals.

[IanPolaris]

It's lazy programming. Simple as that. It's a lot easier to program four romances than it is (potentially) eight. This way BW gets to say there are four romance options for any Hawke you choose to play. What they are really saying is that the four companions in question are Hawke-Sexual.

-Polaris

[Leonia]

What, I can play homosexual characters without actually being homosexual? WHY DID NOBODY TELL ME!

FWIW, it's not like your companions all come up to you and say "By the way Hawke, I'm bi!" You really don't notice everyone is bisexual unless you're metagaming.

Modifié par leonia42, 10 mai 2011 - 10:13 .

[General_Minus]

Andrastee wrote...

Speaking as a straight gamer, I think having four bisexual love interests is the best possible way of handling things given resource limitations. (In an ideal world, I'd probably have two straight, two bi and two gay - which would be even fairer but also even more contrived.)

Also, this does not make all your companions bi. Varric, Aveline, Sebastian (as you yourself mentioned) and Bethany and Carver are all straight as far as we're told. That makes five straight companions and four bisexuals.

Actually Aveline can kiss female Hawke and Varric can flirt with either gender

[DeadLetterBox]

Oh for...
Okay, you know, I'm really tired of this whole thing. I really think if you're secure in your own sexuality you can weather a digital fictional character of your non-preferred gender making a pass at you. My husband has played DA2 several times and I can assure you it hasn't made him gay. Video games don't do that. Since he knows that video games don't do that, and he's comfortable with who he is and who he likes, he does not care.

And, as a woman, I have zero sympathy with someone having to put up with unwanted advances. Zero. None. If you can't handle what your average woman has to deal with all the time, that is not BioWare's problem. Or mine.

[DeadLetterBox]

I had this post typed out. Let's see if it reappears.

[TheBlackBaron]

leonia42 wrote...

What, I can play homosexual characters without actually being homosexual? WHY DID NOBODY TELL ME!

FWIW, it's not like your companions all come up to you and say "By the way Hawke, I'm bi!" You really don't notice everyone is bisexual unless you're metagaming.

Which, honestly, just kind of excarcerbates the problem. Not saying they need to be running around announcing unasked to everyone that they're bisexual, 'cause that's not realistic either, but them apparantly switching their preferred gender based entirely on what gender Hawke is certainly lends to the perception of them all being Hawke-sexual. 

I thought Origins handled it very well, with two straight and two bi options all relatively free of sterotypes.

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 10 mai 2011 - 10:22 .

[Andraste_Reborn]

Actually Aveline can kiss female Hawke and Varric can flirt with either gender

I dunno, I don't consider that definitive evidence. A kiss on the cheek for someone who helped you get together with the person you're interested in isn't necessarily sexual. Varric seems to be joking regardless of the player's gender. I guess you could interpret them as bisexual if you wanted; I don't think there's any Word of God on the subject.

[Leonia]

Oh it's not a perfection solution by any means but it's not as scary as everyone makes it out to be either. The ideal situation, with infinite resources, is to do what they in Origins and possibly introduce a "What is your Hawke's sexuality?" option in character creation.

My first Hawke was a lesbian and didn't know nor care what the rest of her companions' sexualities were (except Merrill who was her only LI).

General_Minus wrote...

Actually Aveline can kiss female Hawke and Varric can flirt with either gender

I was unaware that a small kiss and subtle flirting from someone of the same gender makes the recipient bisexual. But what do I know, I'm just a happily married, straight woman who can appreciate and respect that not everyone else around me is straight or wants to be straight.

Modifié par leonia42, 10 mai 2011 - 10:29 .

[General_Minus]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

What, I can play homosexual characters without actually being homosexual? WHY DID NOBODY TELL ME!

FWIW, it's not like your companions all come up to you and say "By the way Hawke, I'm bi!" You really don't notice everyone is bisexual unless you're metagaming.

Which, honestly, just kind of excarcerbates the problem. Not saying they need to be running around announcing unasked to everyone that they're bisexual, 'cause that's not realistic either, but them apparantly switching their preferred gender based entirely on what gender Hawke is certainly lends to the perception of them all being Hawke-sexual. 

I thought Origins handled it very well, with two straight and two bi options all relatively free of sterotypes.

Exactly. Why couldn't they done it the origin style. I half expected Anders and Merrill to be straight options and Isabela and Fenris to be Bi. Why can't you wannabe GLBT players just be happy for what you got instead of moaning and complaining about romances. 

Should have complain and moan about the developement time, NOT the romance option

[General_Minus]

Andrastee wrote...

Actually Aveline can kiss female Hawke and Varric can flirt with either gender

I dunno, I don't consider that definitive evidence. A kiss on the cheek for someone who helped you get together with the person you're interested in isn't necessarily sexual. Varric seems to be joking regardless of the player's gender. I guess you could interpret them as bisexual if you wanted; I don't think there's any Word of God on the subject.

Anders was sure as hell straight in Awakening

[Leonia]

General_Minus wrote...

Andrastee wrote...

Actually Aveline can kiss female Hawke and Varric can flirt with either gender

I dunno, I don't consider that definitive evidence. A kiss on the cheek for someone who helped you get together with the person you're interested in isn't necessarily sexual. Varric seems to be joking regardless of the player's gender. I guess you could interpret them as bisexual if you wanted; I don't think there's any Word of God on the subject.

Anders was sure as hell straight in Awakening

Not true. He never said he was straight. All he mentioned were robes made for quick trysts in the corner when the templars weren't looking.

And slightly off-topic, why does the thread title ask if the posters in the forum are bi? What the heck does that have to do with anything?

Modifié par leonia42, 10 mai 2011 - 10:30 .