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Herr Uhl wrote...
She'd sleep with a female warden? Sexuality is a character trait.
On a sidenote, I don't mind the bi-ness.
Modifié par Sylvianus, 10 mai 2011 - 02:33 .
Cutlass Jack wrote...
IanPolaris wrote...
Disagree. When a "choice" removes the depth and uniqueness of an NPC then you are in effect reducing meaningful choice. Sure each Hawke has four LIs, but by making the romances pretty much the same no matter what, you destroy replayability (and DA2 does that a lot frankly). More is not always better when it comes to option. The options have to be meaningful options and having everyone be "cookie-cutter Hawke-sexuals" doesn't do that.
-Polaris
Methinks you protest too much.
You can get four playthroughs without repeating a romance (five if you count Sebastian). Furthermore each LI has both a Friendmance and a Rivalmance that play out quite differently. That's alot of replayability without forcing gender restrictions on the player.
Me of all people?IanPolaris wrote...
Nodscouter wrote...
Righty, you're content to ignore proof right in front of your eyes. Good to know. I can't convince you if you won't let yourself be shown another way.
What proof? In actuality the campanions we are given are not a random sample. They are preselected and designed by Bioware. Even if they were a random sample, you of all people should know that you can't prove anything satistically with a sample size as small as the one we are given....certainly not something as fundamental as how sexuality works in Thedas.
We are given ZERO, NADA, ZIP evidence that people in Thedas (at least when it comes to sexuality) are any different than people in our own world...and it would be very easy for the Devs to say differently...but they never do.
As such, what I said stands.
-Polaris
Nodscouter wrote...
Me of all people?
''Preselected and designed by Bioware''. So the alternative is Bioware making millions of people and randomly selecting a number of them? Doesn't work that way amte.
It's not really fundamental by the way.
And if you don't consider it evidence enough that we are given 9 romance options, and 6! 6 of them are bisexual. 67% of the romance options are bisexual! That is the closest thing we'll get with the evidence thing.
Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
She never says she only likes men. For all we know she just didn't like the female Warden.
But who she sleeps with changes nothing about her personality.
happy_daiz wrote...
You'd have a small army if there were the same number of strictly hetero LIs for both sex. Add to that the more open-minded options, and OMG, you'd be unstoppable...and that's totally unrealistic.
Can you imagine how long the game would have to be to complete each companion's quests, build up friendship or rivalry, and get to know them? Ugh.
Free your mind.
IanPolaris wrote...
Honestly I am rapidly tiring of this silly, silly debate. I find it unrealistic and annoying...but I am coming to find those that are rabidly defeding it as even more annoying and thus am coming to a clearly understanding of why Bioware did this (to shut such people up).
-Polaris
You know, the codex is a game mechanic techincally.IanPolaris wrote...
Nodscouter wrote...
Me of all people?
''Preselected and designed by Bioware''. So the alternative is Bioware making millions of people and randomly selecting a number of them? Doesn't work that way amte.
It's not really fundamental by the way.
And if you don't consider it evidence enough that we are given 9 romance options, and 6! 6 of them are bisexual. 67% of the romance options are bisexual! That is the closest thing we'll get with the evidence thing.
No it's not evidence. Gamelore is NOT decided by game mechanics and what you describe above is fundamentally game mechanics. We don't see the footrpint of a 67% bi-society in Thedas. Don't take my word. Play the game and count the number of bi-couple and bi-people we see outside your little group.
-Polaris
+1IanPolaris wrote...
Funny how the most closed minded people I've ever met usually say "Free your mind" (usually when what is really meant is "agree with me").
Very clearly. And it's a bit disturbing, this blend of irrationality. We talk about what we think is a mistake in the game, closed-minded has nothing to do with it.Really that's all. I think some people are waaaay too sensitive. -Polaris
Modifié par Sylvianus, 10 mai 2011 - 02:39 .
Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
IanPolaris wrote...
Honestly I am rapidly tiring of this silly, silly debate. I find it unrealistic and annoying...but I am coming to find those that are rabidly defeding it as even more annoying and thus am coming to a clearly understanding of why Bioware did this (to shut such people up).
-Polaris
That's a remarkably immature attitude.
Yep, the gay agenda strong-armed BioWare into "ruining the immersion for heteros".
Hey, gays (and bis), I'm issuing a general order to move on to Mass Effect now.
Wulfram wrote...
I'd expect bisexuality, or at least admitted bisexuality to be somewhat more common in Thedas since the Chantry is Orlesian and doesn't seem to be bothered by matters of sexuality.
IanPolaris wrote...
To a large degree I think that's exactly what happened. Bioware decided to hand an olive branch to the GBLT community because they knew they'd whine and complain if they didn't. You can joke all you want, but companies are genuinely afraid of some "politically correct" groups and the GBLT activists are high on that list.
-Polaris
Russalka wrote...
You can refer to various David Gaider posts on that, instead of making assumptions.
Right, because the 1% of players would obviously be a huge threat to Bioware's gaming, because every character didn't conform to our sexuality. Isn't it worse pissing of the 99% people that are straight with making 6 out of 9 romances bisexual? Your logic works against you, you know that right?IanPolaris wrote...
Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
IanPolaris wrote...
Honestly I am rapidly tiring of this silly, silly debate. I find it unrealistic and annoying...but I am coming to find those that are rabidly defeding it as even more annoying and thus am coming to a clearly understanding of why Bioware did this (to shut such people up).
-Polaris
That's a remarkably immature attitude.
Yep, the gay agenda strong-armed BioWare into "ruining the immersion for heteros".
Hey, gays (and bis), I'm issuing a general order to move on to Mass Effect now.
To a large degree I think that's exactly what happened. Bioware decided to hand an olive branch to the GBLT community because they knew they'd whine and complain if they didn't. You can joke all you want, but companies are genuinely afraid of some "politically correct" groups and the GBLT activists are high on that list.
-Polaris
IanPolaris wrote...
I have. I don't recall David Gaider saying anything about a different percentage of bi vs non-bi people in Thedas.
-Polaris
Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
IanPolaris wrote...
To a large degree I think that's exactly what happened. Bioware decided to hand an olive branch to the GBLT community because they knew they'd whine and complain if they didn't. You can joke all you want, but companies are genuinely afraid of some "politically correct" groups and the GBLT activists are high on that list.
-Polaris
But we're only 3% of the population!
How could they be so weak?!
LMAO
No, really, that's hilarious. It's not that the DA writers are open-minded people and want to provide a range of content, it's that they were too afraid of the gay community and were all but forced into writing icky gay stuff to be politically correct.
More and more you convince me that you have a problem with homosexuals.
Russalka wrote...
IanPolaris wrote...
I have. I don't recall David Gaider saying anything about a different percentage of bi vs non-bi people in Thedas.
-Polaris
Oh, I'm sorry, I meant your insinuations about Bioware wanting to shut up the gay gamers.
Modifié par IanPolaris, 10 mai 2011 - 02:50 .
Nodscouter wrote...
Right, because the 1% of players would obviously be a huge threat to Bioware's gaming, because every character didn't conform to our sexuality. Isn't it worse pissing of the 99% people that are straight with making 6 out of 9 romances bisexual? Your logic works against you, you know that right?
AngryFrozenWater wrote...
If on average X % of the population of Thedas is bi-sexual then that doesn't mean that it will be an even distribution of that percentage at any given location. Hawke is just lucky that she caught 4 of them in her company. Makes sense to me.
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