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[The Baconer]

BioWare: Submitting to the gay agenda and forming racist anti-mage conspiracies since 1995.

[Ryzaki]

The Baconer wrote...

BioWare: Submitting to the gay agenda and forming racist anti-mage conspiracies since 1995.

...Do I even *want* to know? 

And if you could take lightsaber sword and Meredith turning into a flaming piece of...whatever she became seriously 4 bisexuals is no where near out of the realm of belief. 

And Anders isn't explictly said to be straight anywhere. You just assumed he was and was wrong. It happens. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 mai 2011 - 04:12 .

[Chuvvy]

I do think it's a bit unlikely that half of your companions are bisexual. I don't have a problem with it beyond that though.

[Nerdage]

IanPolaris wrote...

nerdage wrote...
Umm.. There has to be a reason for a character to be bisexual? We need to be able to look at their back-story and say "Yep, that's how it happened, that's why they're bi"? Sounds a bit contrived to me.

Considering we are supposed to identify with the NPCs (esp if a LI), then I'd say it would most certainly help a great deal.  At least some reference to past relationship (even crushes) would help.

-Polaris

Could the problem just be that there really isn't very much dialogue with them anyway, then? I'd resist the idea that there has to be a reason, but there's so little personal dialogue with companions -- especially before the romances start -- that you barely know anything about them anyway. Plus it means you basically have to pick a romance with your you-know-what, rather than getting to know them before-hand.

Although, Anders telling you about Karl is seen by alot of people as his sexuality changing dependant on Hawke's, and it would feel pretty laboured if all of the bisexual characters had some "I thought I was straight, but then..." story to them. I'd rather there be bisexual characters who aren't forced to wear their sexuality of their sleeves.

[hoorayforicecream]

If I could get over the fact that the farmboy from tattooine, through coincidence, not only met his sister the princess, but defeated and converted his father the commander of all the enemy's forces, and became one of the greatest jedi knights of all time, I can get over four bisexual romance options in Kirkwall.

[Nerdage]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

If I could get over the fact that the farmboy from tattooine, through coincidence, not only met his sister the princess, but defeated and converted his father the commander of all the enemy's forces, and became one of the greatest jedi knights of all time, I can get over four bisexual romance options in Kirkwall.

It doesn't sound like you've quite gotten over it yet, to be honest...

[tmp7704]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

If I could get over the fact that the farmboy from tattooine, through coincidence, not only met his sister the princess, but defeated and converted his father the commander of all the enemy's forces, and became one of the greatest jedi knights of all time, I can get over four bisexual romance options in Kirkwall.

But could you get over the former if Han Solo, Chewbacca, R2D2 *and* C3P0 all turned out to be bisexual?

[Wulfram]

tmp7704 wrote...
But could you get over the former if Han Solo, Chewbacca, R2D2 *and* C3P0 all turned out to be bisexual?

No, because Chewbacca is clearly gay.  Han Solo broke his heart.

[Russalka]

Chewbacca is clearly there for the furry agenda.

[tmp7704]

Wulfram wrote...

No, because Chewbacca is clearly gay.

But i could swear i saw him choose the spots where to place his hands on Princess Leia very carefully.

[The Baconer]

Ryzaki wrote...
...Do I even *want* to know?

Well. Let's just say if you did, you wouldn't feel the need to take Ian seriously anymore.

[blauregen]

Well, for star wars we don't know about LGBT-characters, but I am at least pretty sure that Bioware won't leave the xenophiles standing in the rain. I am sure there will be romanceable characters of the head-tentacled or horned variety, even if your character doesn't happen to be a Twi'lek or Zabrak.

Let us hope it doesn't break immersion.

[Siansonea]

Aren't most elves bisexual? Why do we apply real-world unreliable statistics of human sexual behavior to elves in the first place? So Fenris and Merrill being rather gender-blind doesn't really seem to be like such a huge deal.

And those two humans, Anders and Isabela might just have decided to follow Hawke because they have a crush on him/her, so it stands to reason that they would be bisexual. After all, why else would Anders follow a templar-loving blood mage like Mahaelis Hawke, or someone who is simply clueless about mages like Sheridan Hawke? And why would Isabela follow ANYONE who isn't a sea captain? Methinks they have a crush on our dear Hawke, they certainly respond rather quickly to a bit of harmless flirting (seriously, Anders, bring it down a notch, K?) Both of them want to jump your bones pretty darn quick unless you flat out tell them that you don't want some-a that. So it stands to reason that Hawke's magnetism attracts admirers like moths to a flaming sword. And maybe there's something about Hawke that attracts bisexual people. He seems to be in touch with his feminine side, and she also seems to be rather in touch with her masculine side too. One might say that his gender has very little to do with how she behaves, and that might be very appealing to those who are attracted to both sexes. Just theorizin' here.

[Wulfram]

Actually I'm pretty sure I recall something - probably a dev post rather than in game lore - which said that elves, along with the nobility, were less accepting of homosexuality than the rest of the populace, since they place a big emphasis on getting married and producing baby elves.

Modifié par Wulfram, 10 mai 2011 - 04:43 .

[Nodscouter]

Or, you know, they are bisexual anyway? Because it's a goddamn Fantasy world where everything isn't exactly as in the real world?

[tmp7704]

Wulfram wrote...

Actually I'm pretty sure I recall something - probably a dev post rather than in game lore - which said that elves, along with the nobility, were less accepting of homosexuality than the rest of the populace, since they place a big emphasis on getting married and producing baby elves.

That makes sense, though in the nobility case it can also vary by region apparently -- there's some specific mentions of very high ranking Orlesian male nobles in relationships with another males, iirc.

[Nerdage]

Siansonea II wrote...

Aren't most elves bisexual? Why do we apply real-world unreliable statistics of human sexual behavior to elves in the first place? So Fenris and Merrill being rather gender-blind doesn't really seem to be like such a huge deal.

Not really, they're all just very androgynous, it's easy to get confused.

To be serious, I don't remember any reference to anything like that. I'd also imagine that homosexuality would be discouraged among the dalish, considering how few of them there seem to be in a given clan their society would probably put alot of importance on having children, hinted at a bit when you talk with Geyna about Cammen. Not to say I disagree with Merrill being bisexual, just saying.

Edit: Hooray for being ninja'd. I really need to type faster..

Modifié par nerdage, 10 mai 2011 - 04:50 .

[The Dubious]

Ignore the button... wouldn't that help?

I typically male characters (female IRL so not into playing a female in a sort of alternate reality world) and I liked the fact there were more choices in-game, it just felt awfully limiting in Origins (and even more so in ME2).

Never had anyone flirt in my play-throughs (except Isabela- but it was in her character so what do I care). I mean you actually have to initiate romances, its not like they necessarily pursue Hawke unless they are given a hint otherwise.

I think the writing was a little weak, but as was the whole plot in general.

As for Merril dreaming of a naked Hawke running into battle- didn't really interpreted as a flirt and maybe it was in fact intended to be one, but I just read it as a sort of jest- I know my straight friends tease each other innocently on occasion just because their friends and are comfortable with each other.

"And is everyone in this forum BI too" - No I have no sexual orientation whatsoever (perhaps that's weird, but its not at the top of my "worrywart list").

PS. The verisimilitude of DA as a whole is shattered every time I see a High Dragon (aside from rogues and mages teleporting like mad)... if gravity has anything to say High Dragons should be tantamount to dinosaurs and unable to fly. I assume High Dragon's have solid bone (not to mention heavy hard-scales) and if they didn't they should be a lot easier to kill- they shouldn't be able to fly what with gravity and all. I suppose maybe their like bumble bees able to carry their weight despite their wings- I don't know perhaps I'm going about this all wrong. *sigh*

[Carfax]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

If homosexuality / bisexuality can be "cured" then that also implies that heterosexuality can be "cured".

But homosexuality and bisexuality are not equal to heterosexuality.   Heterosexuality is the default sexuality in humans (it's biologically supported after all), while homosexuality and bisexuality are essentially defects carried from the womb.

The person that claimed homosexuality was a disease is false.  It's more like a defect, caused by a hormone imbalance in the womb during fetal development.

[tmp7704]

The Dubious wrote...

PS. The verisimilitude of DA as a whole is shattered every time I see a High Dragon (aside from rogues and mages teleporting like mad)... if gravity has anything to say High Dragons should be tantamount to dinosaurs and unable to fly. I assume High Dragon's have solid bone (not to mention heavy hard-scales) and if they didn't they should be a lot easier to kill- they shouldn't be able to fly what with gravity and all. I suppose maybe their like bumble bees able to carry their weight despite their wings- I don't know perhaps I'm going about this all wrong. *sigh*

I think it's pretty obvious gravity in Thedas works different. Just look at all the leaping rogues and the women's breasts.

[Nerdage]

Carfax wrote...

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

If homosexuality / bisexuality can be "cured" then that also implies that heterosexuality can be "cured".

But homosexuality and bisexuality are not equal to heterosexuality.   Heterosexuality is the default sexuality in humans (it's biologically supported after all), while homosexuality and bisexuality are essentially defects carried from the womb.

The person that claimed homosexuality was a disease is false.  It's more like a defect, caused by a hormone imbalance in the womb during fetal development.

Not to imply my own opinions on the subject, but does anyone else think they can see where this thread's going to end up?

[The Baconer]

nerdage wrote...
Not to imply my own opinions on the subject, but does anyone else think they can see where this thread's going to end up?

Should I go get the lawnchairs first or the popcorn?

[Rifneno]

Yes.  It's true.  We're all bilingual.   Damn Qunari never shut up with their language long enough so we enviably pick some of it up.  *sigh*

[jlb524]

tmp7704 wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Actually I'm pretty sure I recall something - probably a dev post rather than in game lore - which said that elves, along with the nobility, were less accepting of homosexuality than the rest of the populace, since they place a big emphasis on getting married and producing baby elves.

That makes sense, though in the nobility case it can also vary by region apparently -- there's some specific mentions of very high ranking Orlesian male nobles in relationships with another males, iirc.

I think it's okay as long as these gay noblemen 'take one for the team' and have reproductive sex every once in awhile that leads to making baby heirs, then go back to having nights full of hot gay sex with their sexy lover.

There's a disconnect between desire/attraction and the actual physical act of sex that most people don't see.  Also, there seems to be some confusion between sexuality and sex.   There are loads of people that have sex with others they do not desire and aren't attracted to....some of these people are closeted homosexuals of course.  Our Western society seems stricter on this than it does in the DA verse, where it seems homosexuality is okay as long as you do your duty and make heirs.  Some other human cultures are like this as well.

[Beerfish]

I have no problem with the all bi thing but the execution of it was not done well in some cases. You get the heart convo action on almost the 1st meeting with the male npcs, too rushed and in at least one case I wanted to be friendly with an npc but when i did not choose the heart I got a whopping -15 approval. Choice is good, no problems there but have better pacing.