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[Wulfram]

Here's an old thread in which some of the writers give some answers about Marriage and Sexuality in Thedas - with an emphasis on Fereldan, since it's from before DA:O
Mary Kirby is quoted on the first page, David Gaider's first post is on the 4th
http://forums.biowar...&forum=135&sp=0

(Doesn't entirely match my earlier recollections. Not sure if I got that from elsewhere or made it up)

[halokitty]

Hey guys, what's going on in here?

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Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't know this thread was a train wreck. I'll just see myself out then.

[The Dubious]

tmp7704 wrote...

The Dubious wrote...

PS. The verisimilitude of DA as a whole is shattered every time I see a High Dragon (aside from rogues and mages teleporting like mad)... if gravity has anything to say High Dragons should be tantamount to dinosaurs and unable to fly. I assume High Dragon's have solid bone (not to mention heavy hard-scales) and if they didn't they should be a lot easier to kill- they shouldn't be able to fly what with gravity and all. I suppose maybe their like bumble bees able to carry their weight despite their wings- I don't know perhaps I'm going about this all wrong. *sigh*

I think it's pretty obvious gravity in Thedas works different. Just look at all the leaping rogues and the women's breasts.

Ha-ha yes, and the heavy-armored jumpers from the sky!

Which is why I see no point in defending any sort of realism in this franchise- granted I'm not saying there should be magical rainbow bridges that are safe to walk across or have character crawling around on walls like spider-man, (unless somehow justified) but I don't think one shouldn't defend/oppose one thing and not be with/against the other. 

Example: gigantic 2 handed blades (while impressive) obviously not plausible for one man/woman to wield.
 

[Sylvianus]

@the dubious.

I laughed. You just described DA2.

A game that makes no sense and borders on the ridiculous, actually, almost in all areas. Romances, story, animations, etc.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 10 mai 2011 - 05:22 .

[The Dubious]

Beerfish wrote...

I have no problem with the all bi thing but the execution of it was not done well in some cases. You get the heart convo action on almost the 1st meeting with the male npcs, too rushed and in at least one case I wanted to be friendly with an npc but when i did not choose the heart I got a whopping -15 approval. Choice is good, no problems there but have better pacing.

I agree with this- for some reason I could not convey my own thoughts in my initial post. 

Pace! there should have been "pace" to make it seem more realistic in a sense, (again my failure to express myself takes a toll even on forums/threads I digress humbly).

I think it was far to easy to woo Merill (either as a male of female), simply because Elves usually hook-up with their own to preserve their race- and I think Merill would be a little less willing to be with Hawke unless really pushed/pursued. 

[The Dubious]

Sylvianus wrote...

@the dubious.

I laughed. You just described DA2.

A game that makes no sense and borders on the ridiculous, actually, almost in all areas. Romances, story, animations, etc.

Oh- can I tack that on as a compliment?

Agreed- but its a nice reprieve from a hard days work and such, nothing like popping into a ridiculously impossible alternate reality where you either mop the floor with every thug (foe in general) or converse with companions that are willing to love and be loved. 

Envisioning- foes as every sodding insult and the people that say 'em toss at me and the companions virtual hugs (getting teary-eyed).   

[blauregen]

If it really is a problem for some people, the solution should be rather straightforward though. I recently saw a mod that replaced the spider-graphics with mabari, because a lot of people are a little arachnophob and aren't comfortable with spider mobs.

Maybe a nice modder could go over the scripts and release a mod that straightens the romances. I imagine that it shouldn't be that hard, because the romances are a rather minor part of the overall interaction and it would only need to block content, not add additional content.

This way everyone could be happy.

[tmp7704]

blauregen wrote...

I imagine that it shouldn't be that hard, because the romances are a rather minor part of the overall interaction and it would only need to block content, not add additional content.

Without the Toolset that kind of modding is unfortunately pretty hard, as any changes would have to be done to scripts and/or dialogue files, and that requires access to the source of these files which aren't available to the public.

[Wulfram]

The Dubious wrote...

I think it was far to easy to woo Merill (either as a male of female), simply because Elves usually hook-up with their own to preserve their race- and I think Merill would be a little less willing to be with Hawke unless really pushed/pursued. 

Hawke and Merrill have known each other for 3 years at that point - 3 years in which Merrill has been outcast from her own people, and largely shunned within the Alienage.  And Merrill is capable of making her own decision to be with the person she loves without being pushed.

[jlb524]

blauregen wrote...

If it really is a problem for some people, the solution should be rather straightforward though. I recently saw a mod that replaced the spider-graphics with mabari, because a lot of people are a little arachnophob and aren't comfortable with spider mobs.

Maybe a nice modder could go over the scripts and release a mod that straightens the romances. I imagine that it shouldn't be that hard, because the romances are a rather minor part of the overall interaction and it would only need to block content, not add additional content.

This way everyone could be happy.

That just seems kind of extreme to me, given that the mobs of spiders are unavoidable and quite plenty in wilderness areas, while the gay romance situations aren't all that frequent and are all avoidable.

[MasterSamson88]

Wulfram wrote...

The Dubious wrote...

I think it was far to easy to woo Merill (either as a male of female), simply because Elves usually hook-up with their own to preserve their race- and I think Merill would be a little less willing to be with Hawke unless really pushed/pursued. 

Hawke and Merrill have known each other for 3 years at that point - 3 years in which Merrill has been outcast from her own people, and largely shunned within the Alienage.  And Merrill is capable of making her own decision to be with the person she loves without being pushed.

Merrill does mention that she's been told to preserve her race as well, but like you said being an outcast for three years can change your perspective. She says herself "It's not like they can hate me anymore than they already do."

[blauregen]

jlb524 wrote...

That just seems kind of extreme to me, given that the mobs of spiders are unavoidable and quite plenty in wilderness areas, while the gay romance situations aren't all that frequent and are all avoidable.

I agree, but since it seems to constantly pop up as a complaint on the boards, I thought I'd mention it as a possible solution. I wouldn't expect it to be very popular, even if someone would make the effort.

[Heather Cline]

Again with this "why are all LI's Bi or gay". Seriously if you don't like it don't play it, or tell the LI you aren't interested. Romance is a back drop to the over all story. It's there to give you more game immersion. In real life yes there are people who don't hit on their same gender outside of bars, but there are those who do as well. In a perfect world everyone would be straight from the straight persons point of view. From a bi point of view everyone would be bi. From the lesbian/gay point of view everyone would be lesbian or gay.

Frankly the developers didn't have enough time to give 2 straight, 2 bi, and 2 gay/lesbian. Also if you really don't like that 4 companions are bisexual then as I stated earlier don't play the game or tell the person hitting on you to shove off. Not that hard to do. It's not going to hurt you to tell someone you're not interested. Jeeze, get over yourselves.

[Silfren]

IanPolaris wrote...

Most Definitely Sane wrote...

Everyone is bi because they're bi.
I thought the answer was obvious.

Which violates any reasonable sense of verisimilitude.  Most people IRL are not bi.

-Polaris

On the contrary, there is evidence to suggest that far more people than not are bi rather than either hetero- or homosexual.

Also, the Kinsey scale would indicate that more people than not tend to fall somewhere on the spectrum rather than being exclusively one or the other.

[Zjarcal]

What, this thread again?!? AGAIN?!?! AGAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIN?!!!??!?!?!??!?



Rainbow Dash facepalm seems by far the most appropriate... xD

And for the record, not EVERYONE is bi. Four of the five LIs are bi and the rest of the companions are up to speculation.

[Silfren]

General Minus wrote...

Why can't you wannabe GLBT players just be happy for what you got instead of moaning and complaining about romances.

Translation: OMG Why can't you just be satisfied with the crumbs we toss you!  Why do you have to go demanding equality instead!  We didn't HAVE to acknowledge your existence at all!

[Pasquale1234]

jlb524 wrote...

There's a disconnect between desire/attraction and the actual physical act of sex that most people don't see.  Also, there seems to be some confusion between sexuality and sex.   There are loads of people that have sex with others they do not desire and aren't attracted to....some of these people are closeted homosexuals of course.  Our Western society seems stricter on this than it does in the DA verse, where it seems homosexuality is okay as long as you do your duty and make heirs.  Some other human cultures are like this as well.

Bingo.

It wasn't until the late 19th century that our western civilization had any concept of sexual orientation.  Outside of labels, you are either attracted to a person (regardless of their physical gender) - or not.  Sexual fluidity seems much more realistic to me than culturally-imposed labels and definitions.

[Siansonea]

Carfax wrote...

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

If homosexuality / bisexuality can be "cured" then that also implies that heterosexuality can be "cured".

But homosexuality and bisexuality are not equal to heterosexuality.   Heterosexuality is the default sexuality in humans (it's biologically supported after all), while homosexuality and bisexuality are essentially defects carried from the womb.

The person that claimed homosexuality was a disease is false.  It's more like a defect, caused by a hormone imbalance in the womb during fetal development.

So, you're a scientist now, are you? How About No. You simply don't know what you're talking about, and frankly, you're trolling. Nice try, though. Have a gay cookie.

[Siansonea]

Zjarcal wrote...

What, this thread again?!? AGAIN?!?! AGAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIN?!!!??!?!?!??!?



Rainbow Dash facepalm seems by far the most appropriate... xD

And for the record, not EVERYONE is bi. Four of the five LIs are bi and the rest of the companions are up to speculation.

In a perfect world everyone would be bi, but alas, we don't live in a perfect world. Think about it, being bisexual instantly DOUBLES the number of potential romantic partners. Who doesn't want more options? And think of how much of gender politics would disappear if people weren't hung up on sexuality. Silly humans...

[NICKjnp]

In males it is determined by the secondary hormones called androgens during fetal development...but it isn't a "defect". It doesn't cause problems with gay males' biology and therefore it isn't a "defect". They don't know what causes women to be lesbian.

[Melca36]

General_Minus wrote...

whykikyouwhy wrote...

I believe that the bisexuality of the companions is to allow those characters to be available as love interests for however you play Hawke. It's to allow a bit of fairness with the romance options. Guys and girls alike can woo Isabela, guys and girls alike can woo Fenris, etc.

But doesn't that alienate the Straight gamer crowd?

I know everyone want equal choice and options but I don't think straight gamers who want a Bi option should speak for the GLBT crowd, you can't not know what a gay person want or feel. It's like asking a man what does child birth feels. You can't.

Why is it that my husband can play this game....turn down Anders, accept the rivalry points and NOT be by bothered by it while others get in a freaking frenzy over it???

Its a FREAKING GAME!

If you play it ***right***...you avoid romancing the characters you DO NOT FEEL Comfortable romancing. 

I am a straight gamer and IT DOES NOT offend me or alienate me. It did NOT alienate my husband but then again we are secure with who we are that we don't let those things get to us.

[jlb524]

Siansonea II wrote...

In a perfect world everyone would be bi, but alas, we don't live in a perfect world. Think about it, being bisexual instantly DOUBLES the number of potential romantic partners. Who doesn't want more options? And think of how much of gender politics would disappear if people weren't hung up on sexuality. Silly humans...

We could be more like the bonobo chimpanzee then....though, who knows...we might be like them if it weren't for all the rules and taboos about sex we have created over the years.

[Laurelinde]

Does anyone have a link to the study about what proportion of people have/can slay high dragons?  I want to know the odds of that because I think it would help the thread - you know, put things in perspective.  I'm sure someone has done a study. 

Any links to clinical trials on the efficacy of murderknives also graciously accepted.

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[The Dubious]

Wulfram wrote...

The Dubious wrote...

I think it was far to easy to woo Merill (either as a male of female), simply because Elves usually hook-up with their own to preserve their race- and I think Merill would be a little less willing to be with Hawke unless really pushed/pursued. 

Hawke and Merrill have known each other for 3 years at that point - 3 years in which Merrill has been outcast from her own people, and largely shunned within the Alienage.  And Merrill is capable of making her own decision to be with the person she loves without being pushed.

True, but for the sake realism and depth(and such), it just seem more appropriate for to be a little harder to convince (not saying it should be made impossible), given that she has a strong belief in protecting and preserving her people- duty over personal-life kind of scenario- in which she uses Blood Magic and leaves her clan. I got the impression she didn't want to necessarily want to do these things, but again I think to her it's a matter of duty to her kind (what's left of them).

Another Note: I think Fenris for instance should have been harder to romance if playing a Mage (either gender) to boot- I found it incredibly to easy with what his immense hatred for them spell-slingers.