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[Ryzaki]

If Merrill was difficult to convince it should've been harder for Male Hawke than female Hawke. Considering the fact that if Merrill got pregnant her child would've been a human.

Fenris...yeah he definitely should've been harder to romance as a mage, male or female.

[Siansonea]

Melca36 wrote...

General_Minus wrote...

whykikyouwhy wrote...

I believe that the bisexuality of the companions is to allow those characters to be available as love interests for however you play Hawke. It's to allow a bit of fairness with the romance options. Guys and girls alike can woo Isabela, guys and girls alike can woo Fenris, etc.

But doesn't that alienate the Straight gamer crowd?

I know everyone want equal choice and options but I don't think straight gamers who want a Bi option should speak for the GLBT crowd, you can't not know what a gay person want or feel. It's like asking a man what does child birth feels. You can't.

Why is it that my husband can play this game....turn down Anders, accept the rivalry points and NOT be by bothered by it while others get in a freaking frenzy over it???

Its a FREAKING GAME!

If you play it ***right***...you avoid romancing the characters you DO NOT FEEL Comfortable romancing. 

I am a straight gamer and IT DOES NOT offend me or alienate me. It did NOT alienate my husband but then again we are secure with who we are that we don't let those things get to us.

Just FYI, logic, reason, and tolerance have been known to alienate the "straight gamer crowd". This group should not be confused with gamers who happen to be straight. 

[Nerdage]

Siansonea II wrote...

Just FYI, logic, reason, and tolerance have been known to alienate the "straight gamer crowd". This group should not be confused with gamers who happen to be straight. 

Couldn't rename it then in that case, could you? Being a straight person who plays games but advocates bisexuality, it feels a bit like friendly fire. 

[Gotholhorakh]

I can relate to a player not wanting any kind of flirtation or sexuality pushed in their face, whether it's one kind or all kinds.

I think that as long as you can get by without being sexually harassed (eg: like Anders did to Velanna in Awakenings) the old adage applies - as long as it is well done, extra choice is almost always a good thing in RPGs.

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 10 mai 2011 - 07:02 .

[Zjarcal]

Melca36 wrote...
Why is it that my husband can play this game....turn down Anders, accept the rivalry points and NOT be by bothered by it while others get in a freaking frenzy over it???

Exactly.

The game doesn't force anyone into any relationship, you're perfectly free to turn them down. Is it that men are bothered by getting the rivalry points for turning down Anders? Bah, haven't people ever seen someone get offended at being turned down? It's a character quirk, it's not a big deal at all.

And if it's the sheer thought of being hit on by a man that bothers some, well, Yahtzee said it best: "Are there men so insecure that they're offended by fictional gay men coming onto their fictional avatars?"

But as was said before, logic and good reasoning aren't exactly rampant in these forums.

[mousestalker]

I saw it as confirmation that my male Hawke was as totally hot as I thought he was.

[Sylvianus]

nerdage wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Just FYI, logic, reason, and tolerance have been known to alienate the "straight gamer crowd". This group should not be confused with gamers who happen to be straight. 

Couldn't rename it then in that case, could you? Being a straight person who plays games but advocates bisexuality, it feels a bit like friendly fire. 

It's worse than a friendly fire. A generalization silly and irrelevant.

[Haexpane]

General_Minus wrote...

  the most rediculous part of this game I have ever experience.   

THis is getting to be RE gad dang DICULOUS! 

I'm not Bi, but I really don't care who is.  Make the characters INTERESTING AND LIKABLE first.  No one in DA2 is even remotely likable, worst of all "The Champion Hawke" is an absolute turd of a character design.

EA Bioware went for the Twilight fan club, and that's not me.

[Gotholhorakh]

Zjarcal wrote...
And if it's the sheer thought of being hit on by a man that bothers some...

...hey! Everyone has the right to dislike being hit on at any time, by anyone, for any reason or no reason at all!

Rules the same for everyone and all that.

Haexpane wrote...
THis is getting to be RE gad dang DICULOUS! 

I'm
not Bi, but I really don't care who is.  Make the characters
INTERESTING AND LIKABLE first.  No one in DA2 is even remotely likable,
worst of all "The Champion Hawke" is an absolute turd of a character
design.

EA Bioware went for the Twilight fan club, and that's not me.

Now ain't that the truth!!

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 10 mai 2011 - 07:16 .

[Siansonea]

nerdage wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Just FYI, logic, reason, and tolerance have been known to alienate the "straight gamer crowd". This group should not be confused with gamers who happen to be straight. 

Couldn't rename it then in that case, could you? Being a straight person who plays games but advocates bisexuality, it feels a bit like friendly fire. 

I didn't name them, they named themselves. Ironically, I imagine many of them actually aren't all that straight when it comes right down to it. After all, I think much of this antagonism falls under the 'doth protest too much' phenomenon. I've known many a LGBT person who was virulently homophobic before they finally accepted that aspect of themselves. Most actual straight people have reactions along the lines of 'whatever, doesn't affect me'.

[Gotholhorakh]

Siansonea II wrote...
After all, I think much of this antagonism falls under the 'doth protest too much' phenomenon.

...and some of it doesn't, there is legitimately an impulse of revulsion that lots of people feel when approached by a person or in a sexual way that is not their thing at all, one which most people take a second to avoid acting on, so they're not rude or insensitive or horrible.

I don't agree with the OP, but not everyone recoils at flirtation from someone they are really not into because they're just so goshdarn far in the closet:P

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 10 mai 2011 - 07:24 .

[Zjarcal]

Gotholhorakh wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...
And if it's the sheer thought of being hit on by a man that bothers some...

...hey! Everyone has the right to dislike being hit on at any time, by anyone, for any reason or no reason at all!

Sure, but once again, the game doesn't force you to accept. In fact the game gives you the chance to voice that displeasure right from the start, essentially reinforcing your notion that everyone has the right to dislike that.

[Esbatty]

I do not feel alienated with all Bisexual Love Interests. but then again I am flamboyantly heterosexual.

[jlb524]

Zjarcal wrote...

Sure, but once again, the game doesn't force you to accept. In fact the game gives you the chance to voice that displeasure right from the start, essentially reinforcing your notion that everyone has the right to dislike that.

Yes...just pick:

http://go.redirectin.../Dialogue_wheel

[Gotholhorakh]

Filament wrote...

Haexpane wrote...


EA Bioware went for the Twilight fan club, and that's not me.

Really,
would you like to do a compare/contrast of Twilight romances compared
to the ones in DA2? It would be quite illuminating.

Do you know, I think you might just have hit on the least interesting idea in the entirety of time and space.

I hope nobody takes you up on that, because I may actually bleed through my eyesockets though the boredom of trying to read it, if they do.

Zjarcal wrote...
Sure,
but once again, the game doesn't force you to accept. In fact the game
gives you the chance to voice that displeasure right from the start,
essentially reinforcing your notion that everyone has the right to
dislike that.

Agreed,
my personal thought is that as long as the game doesn't become a
vehicle for unwanted, suspension-breaking flirtation, then the extra
choice is awesome - including.. no especially extra choice I don't think I'll normally want.

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 10 mai 2011 - 07:30 .

[Gotholhorakh]

Filament wrote...

Gotholhorakh wrote...

Filament wrote...

Really, would you like to do a compare/contrast of Twilight romances compared to the ones in DA2? It would be quite illuminating.

Do you know, I think you might just have hit on the least interesting idea in the entirety of time and space.

I hope nobody takes you up on that, because I may actually bleed through my eyesockets though the boredom of trying to read it, if they do.

Much as I suspected.

Thank goodness, I have cancelled the psychiatric lift team, who were halfway to your house.

[blauregen]

Gotholhorakh wrote...
...and some of it doesn't, there is legitimately an impulse of revulsion that lots of people feel when approached by a person or in a sexual way that is not their thing at all, one which most people take a second to avoid acting on, so th

I would agree with this. I think it is mainly a cultural thing though, and seeing how afraid many people are of being  taken for gay, any portrayal of homosexual relationships as normal and acceptable is welcome, if it helps to alleviate this problem.

Personally I liken your impulse of revulsion to common phobias. They are more frequent than one would think.  A friend of mine for example goes 'ewww' every time she sees a spider and has mild panic attacks when she has to speak in front of more than 3 people. This is of course in no way a healthy reaction, because most spiders are completely harmless, and an audience is unlikely to do worse than ignoring your speech, but fear or disgust aren't necessarily rational.

On the other hand, her job and the circumstances of her life don't demand that she holds lectures, and she can get rid of spiders with a broom just fine. From this there is no need for her to get therapy for those minor problems. Similarly, as long as your impulse of revulsion isn't in any way debilitating for you, and doesn't negatively affect other peoples quality of life, I see no problem with it.

Should it do either, you might consider desensitization somewhere in the future.

[Nerdage]

Siansonea II wrote...

I didn't name them, they named themselves. Ironically, I imagine many of them actually aren't all that straight when it comes right down to it. After all, I think much of this antagonism falls under the 'doth protest too much' phenomenon. I've known many a LGBT person who was virulently homophobic before they finally accepted that aspect of themselves. Most actual straight people have reactions along the lines of 'whatever, doesn't affect me'.

I know, not the first time the phrase has come up around here, and it was equally unrelated to me then. Still, I don't like getting shot at..

Modifié par nerdage, 10 mai 2011 - 07:36 .

[Haexpane]

Filament wrote...

Haexpane wrote...


EA Bioware went for the Twilight fan club, and that's not me.

Really, would you like to do a compare/contrast of Twilight romances compared to the ones in DA2? It would be quite illuminating.

That would require I spent more time on Twilight than the TV commercials and internet MEME posters, I'll pass thanks.

[Huntress]

mousestalker wrote...

I saw it as confirmation that my male Hawke was as totally hot as I thought he was.

That aply to all my females hawks aswell!! rofl 

"Variety is the spice of life" Thats what all My Fhawks thinks or Fwardens.

Is a game relax.

[Haexpane]

Filament wrote...

Gotholhorakh wrote...

Thank goodness, I have cancelled the psychiatric lift team, who were halfway to your house.

And I have written you two off as not knowing what the hell you're talking about. Unless he does take me up on this and makes your eyesockets bleed with boredom, which I doubt he will. Because neither of you have even touched Twilight, you just picked up on something Gaider said once and twisted it to fuel your petty hate machine.

Wow angry much?  First of all, I didn't "Pick up on something Gaider said"  whatever that is even supposed to mean.

2ndly, Y U MAD?

[LiquidGrape]

Haexpane wrote...

No one in DA2 is even remotely likable, worst of all "The Champion Hawke" is an absolute turd of a character design.

EA Bioware went for the Twilight fan club, and that's not me.

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 10 mai 2011 - 07:43 .