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[Siansonea]

Gotholhorakh wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...
After all, I think much of this antagonism falls under the 'doth protest too much' phenomenon.

...and some of it doesn't, there is legitimately an impulse of revulsion that lots of people feel when approached by a person or in a sexual way that is not their thing at all, one which most people take a second to avoid acting on, so they're not rude or insensitive or horrible.

I don't agree with the OP, but not everyone recoils at flirtation from someone they are really not into because they're just so goshdarn far in the closet:P

K.

Personally, I'd rather be hit on by a pretty girl than a grotesque dude, and I'm a heterosexual woman. I'd turn them both down, of course, but I'd be much more flattered that the pretty girl was interested than the fact that the grotesque dude was interested. Personally I find the idea of recoiling because someone hits on you to be rather odd, all you have to do is say "no thanks" and go on with your bad self. 

And honestly, if you dudes aren't getting hit on by other dudes sometimes, chances are you're not that appealing to the ladies either...

[Silfren]

nerdage wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Just FYI, logic, reason, and tolerance have been known to alienate the "straight gamer crowd". This group should not be confused with gamers who happen to be straight. 

Couldn't rename it then in that case, could you? Being a straight person who plays games but advocates bisexuality, it feels a bit like friendly fire. 

The simple answer is that, if it's not about you, then it's not about you.  Sorry, but I can't be bothered to be sympathetic to straight gamers who "advocate bisexuality"  taking issue with the perception of being lumped in with those who don't, because sorry, your feeling lumped in is not equal to LGBT gamers feeling marginalized.  

If you have a problem with being lumped in, take it up with the straight gamers who cause the problem in the first place, rather than complaining to your supposed allies.

Oh, and I'm straight, just so there's no misunderstanding. 

[tmp7704]

Siansonea II wrote...

In a perfect world everyone would be bi, but alas, we don't live in a perfect world. Think about it, being bisexual instantly DOUBLES the number of potential romantic partners. Who doesn't want more options?

Since it also doubles the potential competition, the benefits on second glance diminish pretty much back to where things started...

[hoorayforicecream]

Filament wrote...

And I have written you two off as not knowing what the hell you're talking about. Unless he does take me up on this and makes your eyesockets bleed with boredom, which I doubt he will. Because neither of you have even touched Twilight, you just picked up on something Gaider said once and twisted it to fuel your petty hate machine.

Which twilight romances are you talking about, praytell? Are you going to talk about the bella/edward dynamic, the bella/jacob dynamic, or the somewhat creepy jacob/baby dynamic?

I tend to look at Twilight's romances with a grain of salt. After the whole 'C-section with his teeth' part, everything seemed a bit silly.

[Gotholhorakh]

Filament wrote...

Gotholhorakh wrote...

Thank goodness, I have cancelled the psychiatric lift team, who were halfway to your house.

And I have written you two off as not knowing what the hell you're talking about. Unless he does take me up on this and makes your eyesockets bleed with boredom, which I doubt he will. Because neither of you have even touched Twilight, you just picked up on something Gaider said once and twisted it to fuel your petty hate machine.

Ha, I have no idea what David Gaider quote that is.

If not having read Twilight is being levelled at anyone as a criticism, then it's a criticism I am very very happy to be eligible for, and I take it as a compliment.

[Silfren]

Gotholhorakh wrote...


If not having read Twilight is being levelled at anyone as a criticism, then it's a criticism I am very very happy to be eligible for, and I take it as a compliment.

Count your blessings.  I swore I'd never, ever read Twilight, having heard enough about it without reading it to make doing so unnecessary.

...And then I very stupidly went and made a bet.  That I lost.  I'll never get that week of my life back.  But I'll gouge out my own eyes before ever reading another Twilight book.

[LiquidGrape]

Gotholhorakh wrote...

If not having read Twilight is being levelled at anyone as a criticism, then it's a criticism I am very very happy to be eligible for, and I take it as a compliment.

As abysmal and retrograde as I might find Stephenie Meyer's writing myself, discrediting it without ever having read it does render your argument rather hollow.

[jlb524]

Gotholhorakh wrote...

If not having read Twilight is being levelled at anyone as a criticism, then it's a criticism I am very very happy to be eligible for, and I take it as a compliment.

It is when the person is comparing DA2 romances to Twilight ones without ever having read Twilight.

My guess is that it's b/c this person thinks that the guys in DA2 were 'emo and whiny' and it is assumed here that the guys in Twilight are also 'emo and whiny'.

[Siansonea]

 I saw those Twilight movies. I do love a good screwball comedy, and those movies were frickin' hilarious. But I'm not Team Edward or Team Jacob. I'm Team Bella's Dad. That dude even makes a '70s Porn Star Moustache look good. 

[Wulfram]

The problem with Anders is the lack of a polite "no thanks".  But that's got nothing to do with bisexuality, it's equally problematic with Lady Hawke.

Now, returning you to your regularly scheduled Twilight discussion.

[Nerdage]

Silfren wrote...

nerdage wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Just FYI, logic, reason, and tolerance have been known to alienate the "straight gamer crowd". This group should not be confused with gamers who happen to be straight. 

Couldn't rename it then in that case, could you? Being a straight person who plays games but advocates bisexuality, it feels a bit like friendly fire. 

The simple answer is that, if it's not about you, then it's not about you.  Sorry, but I can't be bothered to be sympathetic to straight gamers who "advocate bisexuality"  taking issue with the perception of being lumped in with those who don't, because sorry, your feeling lumped in is not equal to LGBT gamers feeling marginalized.  

If you have a problem with being lumped in, take it up with the straight gamers who cause the problem in the first place, rather than complaining to your supposed allies.

Oh, and I'm straight, just so there's no misunderstanding. 

On refelction I probably should've prefixed something about "advocates" referring to the design choice in DA2, seems a bit patronizing as it is, but I'm not sure why I'm being attacked..

Personally I'd rather the phrase  "straight male gamer" not be used by anyone, so I take issue with it when it crops up whoever says it, because what people say is their own responibility not anybody else's. Whoever says it, they're still propagating it's use regardless of their intent, so it takes everybody not using it for it to go away, not just whoever started it in the first place.

That said, I never compared myself with anybody else, quite the opposite in fact, all I did was try and disassociate myself with another group. Perhaps you shouldn't be so quick to be offended on someone else's behalf?

Modifié par nerdage, 10 mai 2011 - 07:58 .

[Gotholhorakh]

Filament wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Filament wrote...

And I have written you two off as not knowing what the hell you're talking about. Unless he does take me up on this and makes your eyesockets bleed with boredom, which I doubt he will. Because neither of you have even touched Twilight, you just picked up on something Gaider said once and twisted it to fuel your petty hate machine.

Which twilight romances are you talking about, praytell? Are you going to talk about the bella/edward dynamic, the bella/jacob dynamic, or the somewhat creepy jacob/baby dynamic?

I tend to look at Twilight's romances with a grain of salt. After the whole 'C-section with his teeth' part, everything seemed a bit silly.

I don't know a thing about Twilight either, but I'm not the one who brought up the comparison. I was just calling them on their BS.

I don't think there was any BS involved at all.

I think most of us have an idea about what Twilight fans like, we've all been told ad nauseam!

I certainly do - I know/have met several twilight fans, have been roped into enduring 2 of the films at the cinema (Oh God!), and have seen the hilarious nutjob quotes from these "twimom" people on boards I frequent.

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 10 mai 2011 - 07:56 .

[Zjarcal]

Wulfram wrote...

The problem with Anders is the lack of a polite "no thanks".  But that's got nothing to do with bisexuality, it's equally problematic with Lady Hawke.

This I would actually agree with. There should've been a nice "no thanks" option, seeing how the one available was rather rude and not really how I envisioned my lady Hawke turning him down.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 10 mai 2011 - 07:56 .

[Sherbet Lemon]

Haexpane wrote...

Filament wrote...

Haexpane wrote...


EA Bioware went for the Twilight fan club, and that's not me.

Really, would you like to do a compare/contrast of Twilight romances compared to the ones in DA2? It would be quite illuminating.

That would require I spent more time on Twilight than the TV commercials and internet MEME posters, I'll pass thanks.

So then, why would you make the comparison?  If you know nothing about it aside from jokes and commercials, then how can you make an accurate correlation?  Just sayin'

[jlb524]

Wulfram wrote...

The problem with Anders is the lack of a polite "no thanks".  But that's got nothing to do with bisexuality, it's equally problematic with Lady Hawke.

That is a problem, and even I hate the way you have to turn Anders down.  I also play Lady Hawke.  I take the rivalry hit all the time.  What I don't do is create a thread making an issue out of sexuality b/c of it. 

I suspect that even if there was a polite "no thanks" option, some would still take issue with Anders even flirting with their Hawke in the first place.

[TheBlackBaron]

Silfren wrote...

The simple answer is that, if it's not about you, then it's not about you.  Sorry, but I can't be bothered to be sympathetic to straight gamers who "advocate bisexuality"  taking issue with the perception of being lumped in with those who don't, because sorry, your feeling lumped in is not equal to LGBT gamers feeling marginalized.  

If you have a problem with being lumped in, take it up with the straight gamers who cause the problem in the first place, rather than complaining to your supposed allies.

Oh, and I'm straight, just so there's no misunderstanding. 

Seems kind of hypocritical, if you ask me. 

"I can make all sorts of horrible generalizations about your demographic group, and if you have a problem with it, take up with them! And don't you dare complain, I'm a repressed minority, you homophobe!"

JMO, of course. 

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 10 mai 2011 - 07:59 .

[Siansonea]

Wulfram wrote...

The problem with Anders is the lack of a polite "no thanks".  But that's got nothing to do with bisexuality, it's equally problematic with Lady Hawke.

Now, returning you to your regularly scheduled Twilight discussion.

Anders is a needy dude, that's for sure. I mean, chill out already. My warrior Sheridan Hawke tried some harmless flirting with Anders even though he was going for Isabela, and Anders practically tried to move into Hawke Manor. Sheridan Hawke had to let Anders down rather hard, but he was already at full friendship with the And Man, so there was no rivalry increase. Still, it was aaawkwaaard. And as a player, I loved that!

I already had one male Hawke who romanced Anders, what more does he want, anyway? 

[LiquidGrape]

Gotholhorakh wrote...
I don't think there was any BS involved at all.

I think most of us have an idea about what Twilight fans like, we've all been told ad nauseam!

I certainly do - I know/have met several twilight fans, have been roped into enduring 2 of the films at the cinema (Oh God!), and have seen the hilarious nutjob quotes from these "twimom" people on boards I frequent.

There was. You abided by a comparison which neither you nor the poster you quoted had the insight to accurately make.

But regardless, I've always found that people dislike that franchise for all the wrong reasons. Terms like "emo" and "gay" are thrown around with little to no deliberation on what those words entail, and what their relevance might be to the subject.

If you're going to criticise Twilight, criticise it for being a literary sub-standard, self-masturbatory exercise in female disempowerment.
Not simply because it and its fans are a soft target.

[Gotholhorakh]

jlb524 wrote...
It is when the person is comparing DA2 romances to Twilight ones without ever having read Twilight.

My guess is that it's b/c this person thinks that the guys in DA2 were 'emo and whiny' and it is assumed here that the guys in Twilight are also 'emo and whiny'.

Except they didn't compare it to twilight.

They said it seemed to be going for Twilight fans. That's different.

Filament putting words in people's mouths doesn't alter the fact that we all know what Twilight fans like without comparing DA2 to the text, because they post about it a lot on the internet and we talk to them in real life. We all know that Twilight is a superficial teen romance novel involving twinkly vampires, do we not?

LiquidGrape wrote...
There was. You abided by a comparison which neither you nor the poster you quoted had the insight to accurately make.

Quote where the comparison was made now then.

Go on.

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 10 mai 2011 - 08:03 .

[Gotholhorakh]

double post

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 10 mai 2011 - 08:01 .

[Texhnolyze101]

Twilight is for young girls around the ages of 12-13 and sexually confused men.

[Haexpane]

LiquidGrape wrote...

Haexpane wrote...

No one in DA2 is even remotely likable, worst of all "The Champion Hawke" is an absolute turd of a character design.

EA Bioware went for the Twilight fan club, and that's not me.

Fitting that you post Emo looking gothers

[Sylvianus]

I really love the hands of Bethany by the way.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 10 mai 2011 - 08:06 .