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[Apirka]

moilami wrote...

I am the only straight male in this forum. And I am proud of it.

Anyway, I really don't care that they are all bi.  I think it's rather good. =) I'm a heterosexual female, yet I'm playing with M!Hawke, and I'm romancing Fenris. Problem?

[Haexpane]

jlb524 wrote...

Gotholhorakh wrote...

If not having read Twilight is being levelled at anyone as a criticism, then it's a criticism I am very very happy to be eligible for, and I take it as a compliment.

It is when the person is comparing DA2 romances to Twilight ones without ever having read Twilight.

My guess is that it's b/c this person thinks that the guys in DA2 were 'emo and whiny' and it is assumed here that the guys in Twilight are also 'emo and whiny'.

SLOW DOWN people, Twilight is ALL OVER THE INTERNET, we don't need to read the book to see what exactly is.

I've seen 800 TV commercials for twilight, are you going to tell me the movies are any different than what they are advertising?  Of course they are not.

What's next, we can't criticize Ayn Rand unless we read every one of her "novels"?  don't be such a straw man.

[Silfren]

Gotholhorakh wrote...

Filament wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Filament wrote...

And I have written you two off as not knowing what the hell you're talking about. Unless he does take me up on this and makes your eyesockets bleed with boredom, which I doubt he will. Because neither of you have even touched Twilight, you just picked up on something Gaider said once and twisted it to fuel your petty hate machine.

Which twilight romances are you talking about, praytell? Are you going to talk about the bella/edward dynamic, the bella/jacob dynamic, or the somewhat creepy jacob/baby dynamic?

I tend to look at Twilight's romances with a grain of salt. After the whole 'C-section with his teeth' part, everything seemed a bit silly.

I don't know a thing about Twilight either, but I'm not the one who brought up the comparison. I was just calling them on their BS.

I don't think there was any BS involved at all.

I think most of us have an idea about what Twilight fans like, we've all been told ad nauseam!

I certainly do - I know/have met several twilight fans, have been roped into enduring 2 of the films at the cinema (Oh God!), and have seen the hilarious nutjob quotes from these "twimom" people on boards I frequent.

I've been laughing hysterically ever since Twitlighters took issue with Stephen King's criticism of Stephenie Meyer by saying he was just jealous of her talent and fame.  

[LiquidGrape]

Gotholhorakh wrote...

Haexpane wrote...

EA Bioware went for the Twilight fan club, and that's not me.

Now ain't that the truth!!

I'm fully aware that the comparison wasn't made directly. But by claiming that a particular fanbase would be the desired demographic, you indirectly imply that the material would be comparable.
On exactly what level would that comparison work, otherwise?

[Haexpane]

Village Idiot wrote...

Haexpane wrote...

Filament wrote...

Haexpane wrote...


EA Bioware went for the Twilight fan club, and that's not me.

Really, would you like to do a compare/contrast of Twilight romances compared to the ones in DA2? It would be quite illuminating.

That would require I spent more time on Twilight than the TV commercials and internet MEME posters, I'll pass thanks.

So then, why would you make the comparison?  If you know nothing about it aside from jokes and commercials, then how can you make an accurate correlation?  Just sayin'

I explained above.

You know who also uses "just sayin"  Snooki and Sarah Palin.  

[Gotholhorakh]

Filament wrote...

Right... then go ahead and compare/contrast your supposed "average Twilight fan" with DA2's supposed target audience, and I promise I'll try not to laugh too hard.

A Twilight fan is a human being who enjoys reading and being a fan of teen romance novels that are widely reviewed by the people who like them as fun but superficial or lacking in real literary substance - a common theme you will find common in even its most glowing reviews.

I'm not sure who is supposing the target audience.

What was posited was that fans of superficial teen romance novels were being aimed at with DA2, and that the poster was not one of those.

I too, think that this is the case, and I too, am not a fan of superficial teen romance novels.

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 10 mai 2011 - 08:11 .

[Maria Caliban]

General_Minus wrote...

...is everyone in this forum Bi too?

No, there's one indecisive, highly-religious guy with a nice accent who's straight and one lesbian. Other than that, yes, they're all bi.

[LiquidGrape]

Haexpane wrote...

SLOW DOWN people, Twilight is ALL OVER THE INTERNET, we don't need to read the book to see what exactly is.

I've
seen 800 TV commercials for twilight, are you going to tell me the
movies are any different than what they are advertising?  Of course they
are not.

What's next, we can't criticize Ayn Rand unless we read every one of her "novels"?  don't be such a straw man.

So you would reduce literary criticism to:

"i read about it online lol"

I smell troll.

Maria Caliban wrote...

No, there's one indecisive, highly-religious guy with a nice accent who's straight and one lesbian. Other than that, yes, they're all bi.

I need names.
We must weed out the dissenters.

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 10 mai 2011 - 08:13 .

[Haexpane]

LiquidGrape wrote...

Gotholhorakh wrote...
I don't think there was any BS involved at all.

I think most of us have an idea about what Twilight fans like, we've all been told ad nauseam!

I certainly do - I know/have met several twilight fans, have been roped into enduring 2 of the films at the cinema (Oh God!), and have seen the hilarious nutjob quotes from these "twimom" people on boards I frequent.

There was. You abided by a comparison which neither you nor the poster you quoted had the insight to accurately make.

But regardless, I've always found that people dislike that franchise for all the wrong reasons. Terms like "emo" and "gay" are thrown around with little to no deliberation on what those words entail, and what their relevance might be to the subject.

If you're going to criticise Twilight, criticise it for being a literary sub-standard, self-masturbatory exercise in female disempowerment.
Not simply because it and its fans are a soft target.

I never called Twiglight "gay" first of all,  2nd of all Twilight IS EMO, it defines the term. It is the pure embodiment of Internet Emo-ness right next to Jaret Ledo.

 I'm referring to the films of course!

And hello   FENRIS AND MERRIL!  what else needs to be said? 2 of the most emo douchey characters Bioware has ever created.

[General_Minus]

I hope in DA3 they get rid of all Bi romance and put back exclusive straight romances.

Let the LGBT people speak for themselves.

[jlb524]

Gotholhorakh wrote...

What was posited was that fans of superficial teen romance novels were being aimed at with DA2, and that the poster was not one of those.

What evidence is there of this?

[Gotholhorakh]

LiquidGrape wrote...

Gotholhorakh wrote...

Haexpane wrote...

EA Bioware went for the Twilight fan club, and that's not me.

Now ain't that the truth!!

I'm
fully aware that the comparison wasn't made directly. But by claiming
that a particular fanbase would be the desired demographic, you
indirectly imply that the material would be comparable.
On exactly what level would that comparison work, otherwise?

Yet you've criticised the poster as if it were, and me for abiding by it as if it were.

They weren't, I wasn't, and in fairness, I think you should probably take that back.

jlb524 wrote...

Gotholhorakh wrote...

What
was posited was that fans of superficial teen romance novels were being
aimed at with DA2, and that the poster was not one of those.

What evidence is there of this?

Erm what?

Who said there was "evidence of" it? Why would they? That would be insane.

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 10 mai 2011 - 08:17 .

[Dave of Canada]

jlb524 wrote...

Gotholhorakh wrote...

What was posited was that fans of superficial teen romance novels were being aimed at with DA2, and that the poster was not one of those.

What evidence is there of this?

An out-of-context quote from David Gaider which taken in context doesn't mean what they want it to say.

[Haexpane]

LiquidGrape wrote...
 

So you would reduce literary criticism to:

"i read about it online lol"

I smell troll.

 

Let me try and lighten your heavy handed thread pounding.  DA2 is NOT A BOOK, the twilight movies are NOT BOOKS. This is not a thread about "literary criticism" .  

Does your high horse have armor?

[Haexpane]

General_Minus wrote...

I hope in DA3 they get rid of all Bi romance and put back exclusive straight romances.

Let the LGBT people speak for themselves.

Apparently Glenn Beck is checking in from the Airport Restroom stall,

[Gotholhorakh]

Dave of Canada wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Gotholhorakh wrote...

What was posited was that fans of superficial teen romance novels were being aimed at with DA2, and that the poster was not one of those.

What evidence is there of this?

An out-of-context quote from David Gaider which taken in context doesn't mean what they want it to say.

Again, the only person who brought that quote into the conversation was filament.

It never entered my mind - the determined and furious vengeance upon someone's fairly apposite comment ignored for a moment, I thought it was amusing and right and agreed with it.

Filament wrote...

Right...
so you think DA2 is shallow, that means they were going after the
Twilight audience, because the Twlight audience is shallow. That's a
pretty heroic leap.

Why is it a heroic leap? If somebody says "I think they're going for the Twilight fans here, and I'm not one" WRT the game because of one characteristic, and somebody thinks the comment is apt and amusing, why is the meaning of that not self-evident?

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 10 mai 2011 - 08:25 .

[IanPolaris]

Zjarcal wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

The problem with Anders is the lack of a polite "no thanks".  But that's got nothing to do with bisexuality, it's equally problematic with Lady Hawke.

This I would actually agree with. There should've been a nice "no thanks" option, seeing how the one available was rather rude and not really how I envisioned my lady Hawke turning him down.

I agree wholeheartedly.  A firm 'no thank you, I'm just not into you' would make the situation better.  Really it's only an annoyance anyway....it's the dialog option that puts the bi-ness of all LIs in your face in places (esp Anders) that I find a bit off-putting.  There would still be some 'wtf' verisimilitude damage, but it would be loads better I think.

-Polaris

[jlb524]

Gotholhorakh wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Gotholhorakh wrote...

What
was posited was that fans of superficial teen romance novels were being
aimed at with DA2, and that the poster was not one of those.

What evidence is there of this?

Erm what?

Who said there was "evidence of" it? Why would they? That would be insane.

When someone posits something, it's usually not odd to ask for evidence or some type of argument that backs up the posit, which is the thing you are assuming is a fact in your argument.

[LiquidGrape]

Haexpane wrote...

Let me try and lighten your heavy handed thread pounding.  DA2 is NOT A BOOK, the twilight movies are NOT BOOKS. This is not a thread about "literary criticism" .  

Does your high horse have armor?

You talked about criticising Ayn Rand without having read her books. Tempting, absolutely, but ultimately rather cheap.
I'm not the one who's off-target here.

As for literary criticism applied to other media, it's not really that hard to grasp. Text, as such, is actually a part of all media. Be it literature, cinema, games or even painting. That term has more connotations than simply parchment with words printed on it.

Gotholhorakh wrote...

Yet you've criticised the poster as if it were, and me for abiding by it as if it were.

They weren't, I wasn't, and in fairness, I think you should probably take that back.

Well, fine. I guess I wasn't very lucid. I'll accept that. The sentiment remains, however. The implications of the original statement alluded to the material being shaped and presented a certain way to attract a particular audience. The comparison was made.

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 10 mai 2011 - 08:29 .

[Gotholhorakh]

jlb524 wrote...

Gotholhorakh wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Gotholhorakh wrote...

What
was posited was that fans of superficial teen romance novels were being
aimed at with DA2, and that the poster was not one of those.

What evidence is there of this?

Erm what?

Who said there was "evidence of" it? Why would they? That would be insane.

When someone posits something, it's usually not odd to ask for evidence or some type of argument that backs up the posit, which is the thing you are assuming is a fact in your argument.

You understand that I used the word "posit" mockingly in the face of pompous attempts to treat it as some assertion of fact, right?

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 10 mai 2011 - 08:29 .

[Siansonea]

General_Minus wrote...

I hope in DA3 they get rid of all Bi romance and put back exclusive straight romances.

Let the LGBT people speak for themselves.

You know, Bi romances don't just benefit "LGBT people". The rest of us might actually role play as someone other than ourselves. I know, wacky concept for a role-playing game.

[Siansonea]

LiquidGrape wrote...

Haexpane wrote...

Let me try and lighten your heavy handed thread pounding.  DA2 is NOT A BOOK, the twilight movies are NOT BOOKS. This is not a thread about "literary criticism" .  

Does your high horse have armor?

You talked about criticising Ayn Rand without having read her books. Tempting, absolutely, but ultimately rather cheap.
I'm not the one who's off-target here.

As for literary criticism applied to other media, it's not really that hard to grasp. Text, as such, is actually a part of all media. Be it literature, cinema, games or even painting. That term has more connotations than simply parchment with words printed on it.

Hey, I read the first paragraph of the Wikipedia article for Ayn Rand, you mean that doesn't make me an expert?!