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[LiquidGrape]

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 10 mai 2011 - 03:19 .

[axl99]

I was under the impression they already established their cannon.

[Clonedzero]

theres no official canon

but its pretty easy to figure out the obvious "canon"
shepard male soldier, sheploo face. ect. though according to the timeline he's eezo infused no matter what class you pick, he just doesnt have biotic talents unless you pick a biotic class.

but it doesnt really matter though, my shepard is a vanguard, yours could be an engineer. our shepards are still just as valid as the "obvious canon" one.

if they do a 4th game it'll probably take place a good while after ME3 and shepard will be referenced in a really vague manner lol.

[Chewin]

LiquidGrape wrote...

[Clonedzero]

its illegal to use your biotics in councilspace during cutscenes. everyone knows that.

in everysingle room and area theres a little light that will turn on "cutscene in progress, no biotics please".

thats why badguys are the ones who always use biotics in cutscenes.

[Merchant2006]

There is no "Canon" Shepard. Just "Default" Shepard.

[JamieCOTC]

General_Minus wrote...

Augoeides wrote...

I don't think there is a canon of there will ever be a canon. I will view any Shepard produced by the team at Bioware as yet another interpretation of the Shepard character but never as a canon Shepard.

But stories has to have a canon for it to continue. This is basic classical literacy course in college

edit: Yes its sheaprd final story but they have to declare a canon or else the ME series will be in a stand still

There is no canon Shepard.  If you read Redemption, (the comic book w/ Liara) they go to great lengths to hide Shepard's gender.  In fact, it's actually kind of a bad read in that respect in the first issue as characters constantly refer to Shepard as "Shepard" and not he or she. In later issues, they use terms like, "corpse," "the body," "your friend," etc.  In the novels Shepard is referred to as "Shepard."  I imagine that will continue. 

Because Star Wars is its own IP, Revan (from KOTOR) is canonically male to fit in w/ the rest of the Star Wars lore.  However, if you play the sequel, KOTOR:The Sith Lords, Revan can be male or female.  BW might do something like this at some point, but so far they have been very careful not to pin Shepard down as anyone other that what the player imagines.

[Darkhour]

General_Minus wrote...

Will Bioware after ME3 say what is consider canon like if Shepard is a:

Biotic or human?
Male or female?
Good or evil?
pro alliance or pro cerberus?

Canon is as follows.

Soldier (he uses all weapons)
Male (of course, this goes without saying)
Paragade (Overall good guy that gets angry sometimes)
Pro Alliance (Logically, he goes running back)
Liara Romance (Her plot armor set her above all others)
Council Lives (did you see a all human council? Me neither. aliens are canon)
Collector Base Destroyed (Pro alliance, it doesn't work out with cerberus anayway)

[DeadLetterBox]

Darkhour wrote...

General_Minus wrote...

Will Bioware after ME3 say what is consider canon like if Shepard is a:

Biotic or human?
Male or female?
Good or evil?
pro alliance or pro cerberus?

Canon is as follows.

Soldier (he uses all weapons)
Male (of course, this goes without saying)
Paragade (Overall good guy that gets angry sometimes)
Pro Alliance (Logically, he goes running back)
Liara Romance (Her plot armor set her above all others)
Council Lives (did you see a all human council? Me neither. aliens are canon)
Collector Base Destroyed (Pro alliance, it doesn't work out with cerberus anayway)

Liara romance is "canon" because she has good armor?  Oh, and leaving the council to die does not mean there are no aliens on the council.  It just means humans exert a great deal of influence after all that time it took them to choose new and the humans had a councilor.  A couple of months of human autonomy really changes the game plan.  Besides, why would they make canon and make it different from their default?

But it doesn't matter.  They said no canon Shepard and haven't said anything since.  Until someone from BioWare says differently that's where it is.  They haven't announced anything official, so nobody has the definitive win over their buddies in this argument until/unless they do.

[Elite Midget]

Here's canon.

Human Male Soldier.
Romanced Liara.
Renegade.
Everyone in ME2 dies but Shepard, Joker, EDI, Tali, and Garrus.

[Darkhour]

DeadLetterBox wrote...

Liara romance is "canon" because she has good armor?  Oh, and leaving the council to die does not mean there are no aliens on the council.  It just means humans exert a great deal of influence after all that time it took them to choose new and the humans had a councilor.  A couple of months of human autonomy really changes the game plan.  Besides, why would they make canon and make it different from their default?

But it doesn't matter.  They said no canon Shepard and haven't said anything since.  Until someone from BioWare says differently that's where it is.  They haven't announced anything official, so nobody has the definitive win over their buddies in this argument until/unless they do.

Liara is around, period. Liara is mandatory. Ashley is optional. Liara plays a major role in all ME games. LoTSB alone tosses Ashley in the dumster in terms of canon. Did you bring Ashley aboard the Normandy SR-2? Exactly.

Did you see the alien council? Yes.
Did you see a human council? Exactly. The human lead council is so not canon they weren't even worth showing.

Default does not equal canon. Defalut means "You should have played ME1, slacker."

There is a canon. Stop living under a rock and face reality. Not that Bioware would dare deny The Canon, but even if they dared I supercede Bioware. Ergo, there is a canon.

Modifié par Darkhour, 10 mai 2011 - 05:06 .

[Chala]

Elite Midget wrote...

Here's canon.

Human Male Soldier.
Romanced Liara.
Renegade.
Everyone in ME2 dies but Shepard, Joker, EDI, Tali, and Garrus.

Oh c'mon... Get over it dude!

[Elite Midget]

El_Chala_Legalizado wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

Here's canon.

Human Male Soldier.
Romanced Liara.
Renegade.
Everyone in ME2 dies but Shepard, Joker, EDI, Tali, and Garrus.

Oh c'mon... Get over it dude!

You imply that I didn't anwser the OP. I did. Based off the comic, novels, and the special treatment that Tali and Garrus are getting it means that this is the canon.

[Seboist]

Darkhour wrote...

General_Minus wrote...

Will Bioware after ME3 say what is consider canon like if Shepard is a:

Biotic or human?
Male or female?
Good or evil?
pro alliance or pro cerberus?

Canon is as follows.

Soldier (he uses all weapons)
Male (of course, this goes without saying)
Paragade (Overall good guy that gets angry sometimes)
Pro Alliance (Logically, he goes running back)
Liara Romance (Her plot armor set her above all others)
Council Lives (did you see a all human council? Me neither. aliens are canon)
Collector Base Destroyed (Pro alliance, it doesn't work out with cerberus anayway)

Not showing the human council was one of the biggest loads of bull**** I've ever seen. BW should bow their heads in shame over that one.

[Seboist]

Elite Midget wrote...

El_Chala_Legalizado wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

Here's canon.

Human Male Soldier.
Romanced Liara.
Renegade.
Everyone in ME2 dies but Shepard, Joker, EDI, Tali, and Garrus.

Oh c'mon... Get over it dude!

You imply that I didn't anwser the OP. I did. Based off the comic, novels, and the special treatment that Tali and Garrus are getting it means that this is the canon.

Sure seems like it. Every other ME2 squaddie ends up becoming as irrelavent as Jenkins and Wilson is the grand scheme of things.

[ExtremeOne]

JamieCOTC wrote...

General_Minus wrote...

Augoeides wrote...

I don't think there is a canon of there will ever be a canon. I will view any Shepard produced by the team at Bioware as yet another interpretation of the Shepard character but never as a canon Shepard.

But stories has to have a canon for it to continue. This is basic classical literacy course in college

edit: Yes its sheaprd final story but they have to declare a canon or else the ME series will be in a stand still

There is no canon Shepard.  If you read Redemption, (the comic book w/ Liara) they go to great lengths to hide Shepard's gender.  In fact, it's actually kind of a bad read in that respect in the first issue as characters constantly refer to Shepard as "Shepard" and not he or she. In later issues, they use terms like, "corpse," "the body," "your friend," etc.  In the novels Shepard is referred to as "Shepard."  I imagine that will continue. 

Because Star Wars is its own IP, Revan (from KOTOR) is canonically male to fit in w/ the rest of the Star Wars lore.  However, if you play the sequel, KOTOR:The Sith Lords, Revan can be male or female.  BW might do something like this at some point, but so far they have been very careful not to pin Shepard down as anyone other that what the player imagines.

    



How is Revan a part of the Star Wars canon . When KOTOR 1 takes place 3,000 Years before the Star Wars universe in the movies . 

[Aimi]

Pft, claiming that Tali and Garrus get "special treatment" based on limited pre-release information is like saying that Jason Terry is the best player on the Mavs after only watching Game 4 of the Western Semifinals. For no other reason than her Suicide Mission plot armor, Miranda at least has to have some sort of significant role in ME3.

[darthbuert]

General_Minus wrote...

Obro wrote...

I think they stated before that there really is no canon or something like that.

Impossible. There has to be a canon for the story to continue after ME3 or there to be a spin-off

- - Bingo!  - - You hit the nail on the head. It's only logical.

Otherwise, how could the story go on? They have said numerous times that they planned on continuing the franchise beyond ME3. (and are even considering an MMO) Some people will undoubtedly get the "universe is culled by the Reaper's ending" - this will be an impossible scenario to write a sequel game to if the plan is to include biotics, Asari, humans, etc...into future games because everyone in the universe will have been made into a DNA slushiee and pumped into Reaper shells post ME3.

Canon of some sort is absolutly nescesary to fulfil their goals.

In the end it all boils down to money. This is a hugely successful IP. It would be financially crazy to let it die when so much money can be gained through allowing it to continue. E.A. isn't stupid, they know how to earn a buck...and creating a psudo-canon for this series is a nescessity in allowing them to do so...regardless in how a vocal "few" may feel about it.

[DeadLetterBox]

ExtremeOne wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

General_Minus wrote...

Augoeides wrote...

I don't think there is a canon of there will ever be a canon. I will view any Shepard produced by the team at Bioware as yet another interpretation of the Shepard character but never as a canon Shepard.

But stories has to have a canon for it to continue. This is basic classical literacy course in college

edit: Yes its sheaprd final story but they have to declare a canon or else the ME series will be in a stand still

There is no canon Shepard.  If you read Redemption, (the comic book w/ Liara) they go to great lengths to hide Shepard's gender.  In fact, it's actually kind of a bad read in that respect in the first issue as characters constantly refer to Shepard as "Shepard" and not he or she. In later issues, they use terms like, "corpse," "the body," "your friend," etc.  In the novels Shepard is referred to as "Shepard."  I imagine that will continue. 

Because Star Wars is its own IP, Revan (from KOTOR) is canonically male to fit in w/ the rest of the Star Wars lore.  However, if you play the sequel, KOTOR:The Sith Lords, Revan can be male or female.  BW might do something like this at some point, but so far they have been very careful not to pin Shepard down as anyone other that what the player imagines.

    



How is Revan a part of the Star Wars canon . When KOTOR 1 takes place 3,000 Years before the Star Wars universe in the movies . 

Revan is part of Star Wars canon.  I looked it up on the Star Wars website a while back.  4000 years or 4 million before Star Wars, if it's Jedi, Lucas owns it.

[CroGamer002]

Arcian wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

Here's canon.

Human Male Soldier.
Romanced Liara.
Renegade.
Everyone in ME2 dies but Shepard, Joker, EDI, Tali, and Garrus.

[DeadLetterBox]

daqs wrote...

Pft, claiming that Tali and Garrus get "special treatment" based on limited pre-release information is like saying that Jason Terry is the best player on the Mavs after only watching Game 4 of the Western Semifinals. For no other reason than her Suicide Mission plot armor, Miranda at least has to have some sort of significant role in ME3.

A backside that doubles as a flotation device cannot be abandoned! 

[Leonia]

DeadLetterBox wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

How is Revan a part of the Star Wars canon . When KOTOR 1 takes place 3,000 Years before the Star Wars universe in the movies . 

Revan is part of Star Wars canon.  I looked it up on the Star Wars website a while back.  4000 years or 4 million before Star Wars, if it's Jedi, Lucas owns it.

And Revan is a central character to the TOR storyline. It's a bit annoying that they made the canon version male and light side but that's just how Lucas rolls.

Canon can go back several thousand years if the lore allows for it, there are canon characters in Star Wars who are even more ancient than Revan.

[CroGamer002]

General_Minus wrote...

Will Bioware after ME3 say what is consider canon like if Shepard is a:

No canon, we'll just import our Shepard.

Biotic or human?

lol wut?

You're saying none of my FemShep's ishuman for being biotic?

Male or female?

None.


That just sounded bad.

Good or evil?

Don't you mean Paragon or Renegade?

pro alliance or pro cerberus?

Don't want to post any ME3 spoilers so I don't think it's gonna be possible to be pro-Cerberus in ME3.

[Ghost Warrior]

There is no canon. If they ever make spin-off and if it's placed after the trilogy,I'm pretty sure they will refer to Shepard only by his name,no details.