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[Darkhour]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

There is no canon. If they ever make spin-off and if it's placed after the trilogy,I'm pretty sure they will refer to Shepard only by his name,no details.

The Canon is 100% unadulterated, undeniable, scientifically proven, FACT.

[AlanC9]

Darkhour wrote...

Canon is as follows.

Soldier (he uses all weapons)
Male (of course, this goes without saying)
Paragade (Overall good guy that gets angry sometimes)
Pro Alliance (Logically, he goes running back)
Liara Romance (Her plot armor set her above all others)
Council Lives (did you see a all human council? Me neither. aliens are canon)
Collector Base Destroyed (Pro alliance, it doesn't work out with cerberus anayway)

This is based on what, exactly?

[Elite Midget]

daqs wrote...

Pft, claiming that Tali and Garrus get "special treatment" based on limited pre-release information is like saying that Jason Terry is the best player on the Mavs after only watching Game 4 of the Western Semifinals. For no other reason than her Suicide Mission plot armor, Miranda at least has to have some sort of significant role in ME3.

Remember when they were leaking info about ME2? Yeah, they said the same thing. Look what happened. Tali and Garrus got special treatment.

[Someone With Mass]

The only thing I consider canon is the stuff I can't influence in any way.

[Haristo]

yep there will be, it is called a movie.

[MassStorm]

I do not care about the canon.....but there better be a lot of canNon in ME3

[Wulfram]

I rather hope that we're allowed to have a significant enough impact on the universe that they do have to contradict it in order to make future games.

If they feel they have to limit the effect of Shepard's decision in order to avoid future retcons, we won't get as epic an ending as we should. This was one of the mistakes DA2 made.

On the other hand, I don't think there's any reason they should feel it necessary to establish as canon Shep's gender or LI.

Modifié par Wulfram, 10 mai 2011 - 06:24 .

[AlanC9]

Sure, some endings shouldn't be considered as having happened in a post-ME3 game. That's how Obsidian --or whoever made that call -- screwed up KotOR 2.

[Aimi]

Elite Midget wrote...

daqs wrote...

Pft, claiming that Tali and Garrus get "special treatment" based on limited pre-release information is like saying that Jason Terry is the best player on the Mavs after only watching Game 4 of the Western Semifinals. For no other reason than her Suicide Mission plot armor, Miranda at least has to have some sort of significant role in ME3.

Remember when they were leaking info about ME2? Yeah, they said the same thing. Look what happened. Tali and Garrus got special treatment.

Not really, and for unconnected reasons.

[Dannyboy9876]

I wish Arrival DLC was canon. I'm pretty sure LotSB is canon.

Liara being your LI isn't canon, but "ideal".

[atheelogos]

Dannyboy9876 wrote...

I wish Arrival DLC was canon. I'm pretty sure LotSB is canon.

Liara being your LI isn't canon, but "ideal".

Arrival is canon

[atheelogos]

General_Minus wrote...

Will Bioware after ME3 say what is consider canon like if Shepard is a:

Biotic or human?
Male or female?
Good or evil?
pro alliance or pro cerberus?

Canon is whatever you want it to be, or in other words your choices are YOUR cannon.

"Good or evil?" There is no evil Shepard

[Darkhour]

AlanC9 wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

Canon is as follows.

Soldier (he uses all weapons)
Male (of course, this goes without saying)
Paragade (Overall good guy that gets angry sometimes)
Pro Alliance (Logically, he goes running back)
Liara Romance (Her plot armor set her above all others)
Council Lives (did you see a all human council? Me neither. aliens are canon)
Collector Base Destroyed (Pro alliance, it doesn't work out with cerberus anayway)

This is based on what, exactly?

Cutscenes have Shepard holding assault rifles, ergo, Shepard is a soldier. He is a minor biotic whose skill isn't good enough to do anything but produce wild mass effect fields (i.e. his bonus talent is Warp)

Shepard is male because a female being humanity's best soldier is ridiculous. I can beat up the toughest woman in human history. FACT. I can do more push ups than any woman on earth. FACT. I have a lung capacity greater than any woman. FACT. I could go on listing how men are superior to women but I think you get the point and furthermore, understand that no women can ever be the best soldier in an armed force that also has male soldiers.

As only paragon choices give boonses, Shepard made paragon choices. Shepard is also a badass.  But since Renegade choices exists that are badass instead of stupid, he did make some renegdae comments. Tali would not have a crush on an **** pure renegade.

Cerberus is trying to kill Shepard and you can't even give TIM a collector base without being an ass about it. Clearly, Pro Alliance. Regardless of what you did or did not do in ME1, Shepard DID kill alot of Cerberus personel and destoryed their bases and research.

Liara's romance overrides Ashley's. Liara is mandatory to plot progression, cannot die, has a better dance animation, extended sex scene, has quests in ME2, risk her life to resurect Shepard, has the best DLC ever devoted to her, can continue romance in ME2 and can bring to the Notmandy.

No human council = not important enough by the writters to even acknowledge. They could have taken a couple of human  models and said, "here ya go, folks. The human council." They didn't. Ergo, human dominated council doesn't exist.

Miranda will betray TIM to destroy the base, but nobody will betray Shepard to keep it. In fact , everyone tells you how lame you are for giving TIM the base. Shepard is NOT lame. Everyone loves him and all women want to bone him.

[ElitePinecone]

Darkhour wrote...
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This is... a ridiculous collection of supposition, assumptions and half-baked logic. Not to mention woldly speculative, sexist and ignorant of reality.

Up to the point where Bioware says "Here is the canon" there is no canon.

No amount of absurd pontificating will change that. Arguing something is 'canon' because it seems correct in your eyes doesn't contradict the statements of the developers. 

[eternalnightmare13]

General_Minus wrote...

Obro wrote...

I think they stated before that there really is no canon or something like that.

Impossible. There has to be a canon for the story to continue after ME3 or there to be a spin-off

Wow. Very short sighted on your part. No one has ever said that any ME game after ME3 HAS to be after the Reapers.  There's ZERO reason why they couldn't do a story set decades, centuries prior to the end of ME3.
Considering how much background info is in the Codex there's plenty of source material/history/background to do a storyline prior to humans even getting space flight let along joining the Council races.  Hell, they could do it decades after the Shep vs Reapesr.  

[Proto-Man]

Darkhour wrote...

Cutscenes have Shepard holding assault rifles, ergo, Shepard is a soldier. He is a minor biotic whose skill isn't good enough to do anything but produce wild mass effect fields (i.e. his bonus talent is Warp)

Shepard is male because a female being humanity's best soldier is ridiculous. I can beat up the toughest woman in human history. FACT. I can do more push ups than any woman on earth. FACT. I have a lung capacity greater than any woman. FACT. I could go on listing how men are superior to women but I think you get the point and furthermore, understand that no women can ever be the best soldier in an armed force that also has male soldiers.

As only paragon choices give boonses, Shepard made paragon choices. Shepard is also a badass.  But since Renegade choices exists that are badass instead of stupid, he did make some renegdae comments. Tali would not have a crush on an **** pure renegade.

Cerberus is trying to kill Shepard and you can't even give TIM a collector base without being an ass about it. Clearly, Pro Alliance. Regardless of what you did or did not do in ME1, Shepard DID kill alot of Cerberus personel and destoryed their bases and research.

Liara's romance overrides Ashley's. Liara is mandatory to plot progression, cannot die, has a better dance animation, extended sex scene, has quests in ME2, risk her life to resurect Shepard, has the best DLC ever devoted to her, can continue romance in ME2 and can bring to the Notmandy.

No human council = not important enough by the writters to even acknowledge. They could have taken a couple of human  models and said, "here ya go, folks. The human council." They didn't. Ergo, human dominated council doesn't exist.

Miranda will betray TIM to destroy the base, but nobody will betray Shepard to keep it. In fact , everyone tells you how lame you are for giving TIM the base. Shepard is NOT lame. Everyone loves him and all women want to bone him.

<clears throat> retard.

[Bill569]

They will allow all Shepards to be canon by not making very specific references to them - the same way it is done in the books.

[Darkhour]

ElitePinecone wrote...

This is... a ridiculous collection of supposition, assumptions and half-baked logic. Not to mention woldly speculative, sexist and ignorant of reality.

Up to the point where Bioware says "Here is the canon" there is no canon.

No amount of absurd pontificating will change that. Arguing something is 'canon' because it seems correct in your eyes doesn't contradict the statements of the developers. 

Proto-Man wrote...

<clears throat> retard.

In otherwords, none of you have any counter argument. Figures. There is no fighting the Truth® and you know it. Your combined brainpower is no match for my unrivaled objective observation and reasoning skills. Face it. The Canon™ is FACT. Your willful ignorance, distain for logic, absense of reason and infantile hissy fits change nothing. FACTS are FACTS and FACT is, The Canon™ is the Truth®.

[Darkhour]

man giraffedog15 wrote...

I've come to warn you about MAN-GIRAFFE-DOG!! It's the single greatest threat to humanity!! RUN AWAY!!


I'm still more Serial than ever guys.

I heard ME2 was delayed due to MGD. Is that true?

Modifié par Darkhour, 11 mai 2011 - 12:03 .

[Tivis014]

Darkhour wrote...

DeadLetterBox wrote...

Liara romance is "canon" because she has good armor?  Oh, and leaving the council to die does not mean there are no aliens on the council.  It just means humans exert a great deal of influence after all that time it took them to choose new and the humans had a councilor.  A couple of months of human autonomy really changes the game plan.  Besides, why would they make canon and make it different from their default?

But it doesn't matter.  They said no canon Shepard and haven't said anything since.  Until someone from BioWare says differently that's where it is.  They haven't announced anything official, so nobody has the definitive win over their buddies in this argument until/unless they do.

Liara is around, period. Liara is mandatory. Ashley is optional. Liara plays a major role in all ME games. LoTSB alone tosses Ashley in the dumster in terms of canon. Did you bring Ashley aboard the Normandy SR-2? Exactly.

Did you see the alien council? Yes.
Did you see a human council? Exactly. The human lead council is so not canon they weren't even worth showing.

Default does not equal canon. Defalut means "You should have played ME1, slacker."

There is a canon. Stop living under a rock and face reality. Not that Bioware would dare deny The Canon, but even if they dared I supercede Bioware. Ergo, there is a canon.

Well if at the end they council (human or alien) their can be votes of no confidence since they didn't listen to the warning of the reapers and then be replaced so that stories featuring them continue (specified who/what is on it or not) simple enough

[Jawsomebob]

Canon Shepard is the guy on the cover. Canon Shepard is the male solider that loads if you select a default game.

Modifié par Jawsomebob, 11 mai 2011 - 12:08 .

[Malanek]

It depends on how disparate the different endings are. If in one of ten different endings, say the Turians, become extinct but Bioware want to use the Turians in a game set in the same galaxy after the events in ME3, then I think having a canon is quite plausible.