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[marshalleck]

WazzuMan wrote...

^ Indeed. There is no perfect game, you can't expect developers to get everything right all the time. I reckon the recycled areas was just something to do with complications and time restraints during development of the game. I reckon if these guys have such a good idea of what the perfect RPG is supposed to look like then they can create it themselves. It will at least get their minds on other things.

Indeed they should. That's how World of Warcraft came to be. Though you may hate the game, it was in large part created by several dissatisfied EQ players who thought the old school MMO grind/gameplay chores were nonsense. And we see how that turned out: ~11 million subscriptions.  

And when some of these people do create an awesome RPG, Bioware will join the ranks of the other dinosaurs churning out irrelevent games designed to please investors rather than gamers. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 12 mai 2011 - 11:06 .

[NedPepper]

I just want to join the hug-athon.  I like the game too.  So many interesting places to go from here.  I can't wait to see what's coming down the pike.

[Icinix]

I like that you like it.

Am glad many others found much more lasting enjoyment out of it than I did.

Keep the love going people!

[Catlana]

I liked the game as well despite the short comings (reused areas / chp 3 story). Most of the time people tend to focus on things they dislike rather than like.

[JaegerBane]

This game is probably the single worst game they've released in years.

But what is terrible by Bioware's standards is pretty good by the rest of the industry's standards. Bugs, horrible third act and samey environments aside, I really enjoyed it. I definitely think Bioware had a solid idea on what the Mage was supposed to be - personally I thought the entire Force Mage specialisation was the single coolest thing since ME2's Biotic Charge and it made me wish it was in DA:O. The Mage's packs superhero-esque robes looked great, the whole way they handled the spell trees was excellent, and I definitely think the speeded-up, punchy magical combat was addictive.

My initial impressions of your squad in DA2 weren't great, but as I got to hear their banter and watched them advance, I really warmed up to them. This even happened with Carver, though it took the vast majority of the game for that to happen the only one I didn't like was Sebastian, and that was mainly because he was a ****.

There's no doubt that Bioware made some pretty horrendous mistakes in DA2's production. Some of them are mistakes that Bioware, of all developers, shouldn't really be making - the environments are chiefly the issue here. But as I say, while it may bad by Bioware's standards, that doesn't make it a bad game. I really enjoyed it. I'm just about to start my newly-patched playthrough. I wanna see me some idiots get smacked into walls, floors and each other.

[happy_daiz]

I'm on my 6th playthrough, which would attest to replay value and my love of the game. Admittedly, there are faults, but to expect perfection only leads to disappointment.

Personally, I think there is a bigger plan in store for DA3, and all of this will make sense when we get there. (Maybe not the recycled environments, mind you, but I digress).

[Well]

Firefeng wrote...

Well wrote...

Firefeng wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

snfonseka wrote...

I am glad that OP loved it. But I didn't. If we compare DA2 with other BW games, it is a small worthless rock among gems and diamonds.

I agree with your opinion. Though i'd mark it as "IMO" next time. Otherwise, people might start flaming you.

I'd think most people with half a brain would know it's their opinion, anyway, and the one's too thick to realize that are easily ignored.  

I'm on my fourth playthrough of this game (would be more, but I've sated my curiosity on how the different classes play...although I do still need to play through with a sword-and-board Warrior and an Archer Rogue).  I've played through ME2 three times, and I'm also on my fourth one, although that's mostly just so I can get myself set up for Mass Effect 3, and to play the DLC I haven't gotten to yet.

Compare that to, say, the first time I played Xenosaga 2.  I lasted for 15 hours before I broke the disc and threw it away in disgust and revulsion.  

Dragon Age 2 is a good game, though, which surprised me.  (Hell, when Game Informer posted its first preview, you can read the thread I made ranting about it here:  http://killingifrit....-dragon-age-ii/  I'm the guy with the firebird fetish, to avoid any confusion.)  Hated the art direction, and the demo pissed me off to no end.  When I finally got my hands on the game, though, I liked it enough to beat it 3 times and start on another playthrough.  

It has its flaws, but if you think this is a bad game you're probably living in a cave, and only sneaking out into society to purchase Bioware games before scurrying back to your dank hovel.  I'll be fair, though; the quality of Bioware's past games is probably the source of the discrepancy between user reviews and industry reviews--only one of those two has to put up the semblance of objectivity, after all.  Well, that, and on a psychological level, negative experiences are far more likely to provoke a response than positive ones...

Too long; didn't read version:  I like this game.  It doesn't titillate my fancy, like a Xenogears remake that actually finished development on the second disc and gave us a refined translation a la the Final Fantasy Tactics remake would, but it's still a damn good game that I intend to play through again as soon as they start actually adding story content.  My only real gripes with the game are the repeating areas, the inability to talk to one's companions save for certain quests, and that the soundtrack isn't nearly as striking as DA:O.  (Really, Leliana's Song nearly brought me to tears, and the main theme is terribly iconoclastic and beatiful and, thus, memorable.)

Please continue making awesome games like this, Bioware.  

"It has its flaws, but if you think this is a bad game you're probably
living in a cave, and only sneaking out into society to purchase Bioware
games before scurrying back to your dank hovel."

If you make a statement like that you probably lack the comprehension skills to understand people have different opinions.You probably have a good excuse.Diaper rash..missed your nap..or couldnt find the toilet in time.As far as thinking you might want to give it a try. Just make sure your have medical personel on hand.

Oh, my wounded heart.  Pro tip: if you want to call me on a particular brand of subjectivist fallacy, it's probably best not to partake in said fallacy in the process...I'll avoid making underhanded compliments on Bioware's development capability in the future just to avoid such ugly misunderstandings.  

In honor of your post, though, I'll refrain from using tongue-in-cheek, self-deprecating sarcasm in the future. Not because I fear the consequences, mind you, just because they're likely to incite responses so banally unentertaining that they don't warrant my attention in the first place.

Well wrote...

Gotholhorakh wrote...

Why don't we chill out for a moment and let the people who enjoyed the game do five minutes of unmolested discussion and praise of it?

If you like the game more power to you.That doesnt give those folks the right to fling garbage at those who dont like it.Or visa versa.

Whereas if you dislike the game, you are welcome to derail a certain forum for over a month in God knows how many topics?  

No thanks.  I'm sick of the self-entitled rants by people who have neither the enthusiasm nor productivity to develop their own game.  DA2 had it's flaws, but said flaws are hardly worth the continued, unjustified pessmism of those terming themselves "Bioware fans".

The bottom line is people paid for a product.They felt they didnt get the quality they paid for.You posted your opinion on the product and others post theirs.They dont post it for your approval.You can sputter and pout all you want but it doesnt matter.It is out of your hands.Unless a Mod feels they are out of line they can keep posting.Enjoy.

[barenas]

I enjoyed the game as well. There are some things that I thought were much improved over the first game, some other things not so much. But what gets me is the amount of crying that I have seen in the past few months on these forums. It makes it sound like it was the worst game ever made and that is so far from the truth.

I enjoyed DA2 as much as I did DA:O but for different reasons. Neither one are my favorite BioWare game but that shouldn't be a slight on these two games. There are other games out there that people seem to like better but I happen to think are worse (I couldn't even finish The Witcher due to its terrible combat). Anyway OP, glad you liked the game, you aren't alone in liking it. Lets hope that for the next Dragon Age game they take the best of both previous games, eliminate some of not so good stuff (i.e. recycled areas), and truly make a game for the ages.

[JamesMoriarty123]

greylancer wrote...

because nobody understands or cares about anyones right to be different, the nerds think everybody should 'l2P' meaning devoting all your waking hours to scientifically picking apart every game mechanic to 'pwn' one and all,while the casuals think the nerds should get out of their parents basements once in a while and climp a real mountain, ride a horse, get laid etc..really..its simple..let each to their own

I love how tools like you automatically assume that being a nerd (and yeah, I am) and actually being able to do anything other than play games is mutually exlusive.

I won't list my extracurricular activities, suffice it to say that believe it or not, when someone is good at a game or has a better point than you they generally DON'T spend all their waking hours at their PC, they DO have a life outside of your head. Also, they're just better than you, lol.

[TheTranzor]

greylancer wrote...

because nobody understands or cares about anyones right to be different, the nerds think everybody should 'l2P' meaning devoting all your waking hours to scientifically picking apart every game mechanic to 'pwn' one and all,while the casuals think the nerds should get out of their parents basements once in a while and climp a real mountain, ride a horse, get laid etc..really..its simple..let each to their own

I do get out of my mom's basement once in a while... afterall, gotta go to my night shift at Taco Bell as well as make sure I load up my considerable girth with enough Cheetos to choke a hippo. 

Seriously... not everyone who is good at games is a stereotypical 'nerd'.  Nerds are smart... and I'm dumb as a post.

And btw... Cheetos do actually help grow chest hair.  That can be the only explaination for me. 

[blind black]

there are flaws but i still enjoyed the game.

[Apollo Starflare]

I loved the game too, despite it's flaws. I've stated why so many times now, but I completely agree about the adictiveness. I played it for a comparable amount of time to my Origins save but quicker. That said I think future playthroughs will drop down lower in playtime than Origins future playthroughs did.I have complete faith that when DA3 eventually comes out the team will have built upon the good aspects of the game and ironed out some of the bits that didn't work or got rushed.

As an aside I saw people discussing the Witcher in comparison a page back: Having just finished my first playthrough of that game I do find them similar in a roundabout way. Both tell impressive stories set in and around one major location, and both suffer from terrible flaws that can be gamebreaking for a large number of people. Why then does the Witcher get calleda cult classic and DA2 a terrible game? Perspective I guess, but still a shame.

They are both good games, although in my opinion neither represents the best it's developer can put out. Looking at how CD Projekt have improved upon The Witcher I'm hoping to see similarly impressive improvements from the DA team next time around. Unfortunately it would seem some think finding one game that doesn't agree with them is enough to stop supporting a creative group, which is a shame.

[The Dubious]

A positively encouraging thread!
(my soul is spared the bitterness for now)

Ugh, personally this game was one of the more letdowns I've played most recently (the worst being Quantum Theory ha-ha!), but I don't necessarily hate it. The game had some pros, but unfortunately a lot of cons for me- most of which have been stated a million times over (so it seems).

In favor of looking on the positive side for a change, I liked...
-the character/campions (even though they seemed to be lacking a just a little in depth i still appreciate the companion interactions)
-the spell-slinging Mage (much faster and smoother execution of magic)
-Interesting story (granted plot holes and all that, but personally it had greater unexplored potential)
-humor (party banter was a hoot)

I loved and hated DA:2 all at once.

[JabbaDaHutt30]

WazzuMan wrote...

^ Indeed. There is no perfect game, you can't expect developers to get everything right all the time. I reckon the recycled areas was just something to do with complications and time restraints during development of the game. I reckon if these guys have such a good idea of what the perfect RPG is supposed to look like then they can create it themselves. It will at least get their minds on other things.

I'm pretty sure the perfect RPG won't have a 1 year and four months development time, or use a short deadline as an excuse.

[JabbaDaHutt30]

greylancer wrote...

because nobody understands or cares about anyones right to be different, the nerds think everybody should 'l2P' meaning devoting all your waking hours to scientifically picking apart every game mechanic to 'pwn' one and all,while the casuals think the nerds should get out of their parents basements once in a while and climp a real mountain, ride a horse, get laid etc..really..its simple..let each to their own

I see...

[greylancer]

do you?

[greylancer]

TheTranzor wrote...


Seriously... not everyone who is good at games is a stereotypical 'nerd'

i know Tranz its not meant to be a slight on anyone its just an observation about how the 2 main types of gamer, the serious and the casual view each other, i'll ignore the third type

Modifié par greylancer, 13 mai 2011 - 10:18 .

[aftohsix]

Alistairlover94 wrote...
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Seconded *gives OP a standing ovation* Congrats for enjoying the least enjoyable BioWare game since, well...Ever! (IMPO).

And the award goes to Alistairlover94 for the first cool person to come in and start the bashing of people who enjoyed the game!

Wanna know what's really lame though?  Being a regular on a forum of a game you despise.

[gingerbill]

i liked it , but i loved DOA.

DA2 was good but not great . Chapter 3 was my least favourite chapter

Modifié par gingerbill, 13 mai 2011 - 03:21 .

[macrocarl]

I'm with you OP!

[mcsupersport]

The game for me isn't a waste, I have completed it a couple of times and will probably do a couple more later on after some of the bugs get out and some more dlc comes out. I think the main issue for me was the potential that was wasted in DA2, because they had a good base and could have done so much but didn't. The game exemplifies almost every case of ALMOST, that I can see, in it almost had great story, the gameplay was almost incredible, the characters were almost really good, the setting was almost great, and to add all them together it was almost a great game, instead if was just ok.

[DianeLyn56]

I tried to play the game when I first got it and couldn't. I didn't like it because it was so different from DA:O. I decided to give it another try and I am hooked. I have replayed it probably six or seven times and will continue to play it. Thanks for posting this topic it's nice to read a positive thread.

[Haexpane]

I 'liked' DA2 in a similar way that I 'like' starbucks coffee. It's better than 7/11 coffee but no where near as good as Peet's

[Well]

TheTranzor wrote...

greylancer wrote...

because nobody understands or cares about anyones right to be different, the nerds think everybody should 'l2P' meaning devoting all your waking hours to scientifically picking apart every game mechanic to 'pwn' one and all,while the casuals think the nerds should get out of their parents basements once in a while and climp a real mountain, ride a horse, get laid etc..really..its simple..let each to their own

I do get out of my mom's basement once in a while... afterall, gotta go to my night shift at Taco Bell as well as make sure I load up my considerable girth with enough Cheetos to choke a hippo. 

Seriously... not everyone who is good at games is a stereotypical 'nerd'.  Nerds are smart... and I'm dumb as a post.

And btw... Cheetos do actually help grow chest hair.  That can be the only explaination for me. 

Thanks a hell of a lot.Five decades of trying to grow chest hair and now I find out Cheetos was what I needed.Here I thought it was chips.Oh well