mastorofpuppetz wrote...
??? As a single player gamer, you should know COD has become mainly an online shooter, apples and oranges. DA is a long, deep SP game. Has nothing to do with DLC, COD SP has gone down hill years ago, they tailor the game to kids for mindless online instant gratification now.
Lowlander wrote...
IMO these are glorified item sales.
$7 for wardens keep (AKA best sword in the game)
$5 for Cailans sword/armor.
Bioware. My goodwill is gone. I am not a cow, and I won't be milked.
I am going back to NWN.
Modifié par memtz, 19 novembre 2009 - 06:48 .
the_one_54321 wrote...
mastorofpuppetz wrote...
??? As a single player gamer, you should know COD has become mainly an online shooter, apples and oranges. DA is a long, deep SP game. Has nothing to do with DLC, COD SP has gone down hill years ago, they tailor the game to kids for mindless online instant gratification now.
but have you also taken note to what they did to the multiplayer for PC gamers? screwed on both ends with this one.
the_one_54321 wrote...
see that is exactly what i am worried about right there. MW2 turned out to be complete and utter [cow pies] as a AAA game, in terms of content and pricing. i wanted to get that game, but there is no way in hell im going to do it now, and all those millions that did? well IW should have included a great big red "SUCKER" stamp along with the game.
The quote ends here, no idea why the tags are messed up.the_one_54321 wrote...
VeeVito wrote...
Nonetheless, if companies did conduct business this way and it worked, well... good on them. If you offer something for sale and people buy it, nothing wrong with that.
Absolutely, I offered no opinion as to whether I thought ut was good or bad, just shrewd.
i have to disagree. i think that companies should offer what is fair, whether or not they are capable of getting more should they try. companies that reach for more than is their due should not be supported, and that is why i do not buy DLC, regardless of whether or not the content was well made. it's a matter of volume vs price. the price may be low, but the volume still does not justify it.
a shrewd consumer would look at this and then decide to spend their dime elsewhere.
Modifié par BGFU888, 19 novembre 2009 - 06:55 .
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Hylan Dronta wrote...
VeeVito wrote...
Pretty shrewd new gaming business model... Take the game you have, chop out as much as you can without doing too much damage to the original. Then sell the original for full price. And then sell what you chopped out in bits and increments every few weeks for $5-$10. Steady "after launch" money flow for content that could have been in the original.
Brilliant actually.
Such a pessimist.
Modifié par rmp, 19 novembre 2009 - 06:51 .
BGFU888 wrote...
Le_Mieux wrote...
mastorofpuppetz wrote...
No real gamer stops gaming because of optional DLC, please.
No, but many of us old hats are starting to give up the ghost because there isn't really any story to be had.
You pay 5$, get a retextured sword, and some armour with maybe a half-hour dungeon walk through. If you're lucky maybe some closure as to what happened to Duncan.
This, in itself is not really that bad of a deal. It's 5$...I spend more than that on apples in a week. The issue here is that it's not new content. It's extrapolated content.
The Yahtzee review rang true to me, he called me on exactly what I did. I created a Human Noble, played through the game...then played the 5 other origins and was done. There's no appreciable difference to the game to warrant playing the same storyline 6 times in a row. And there's no real incentive either. There aren't 'good' or 'evil' ways to play through the game either...just right and wrong. The game makes it painfully clear which direction is right and which is wrong. Those aren't choices, Bioware, those are problems. Choices are ambiguous with no clear right or wrong answer. As in, have a banana or have an apple. Problems are what you present us with...with an obviously right and wrong answer. In example the Arl Eamon bit. There are three ways to handle it, but the third is the painfully 'correct' answer. It takes the bite out of the decision. There is no choice...it's just a problem to be solved.
Anyway...I digress.
Just because you unfold a hidden corner of a map, doesn't make it new. It's just information that existed, but you didn't know.
New content would be exactly that...new...a progression of the storyline. Not an extrapolation of the existing one.
I'm not sure if we should ever expect something like that in a DLC. If they are going to push the storyline further in new ways that seems teh territory of an expansion or sequel. DLC seems to me more for little extra things, more background etc, like you said, unfolding a corner of the map. If that doesn't interest you, that's cool, it won't interest everyone.
Personally, I've been playing through the game in it's entirety as an elf mage and a city elf warrior. I'll probably go human noble next. It may not seem like a huge difference to you, but I find even all the subtle dialogue changes very interesting between the different origins.
Of course, I'll also happily play through the exact same story multiple times as well....
the_one_54321 wrote...
VanDraegon wrote...
It seems to me that you are making the assumption that there wont be more indepth content released as expansions, because they are releasing a lot of DLC over the next few years. Using every other Bioware fantasy rpg as a guide says otherwise. As does taking into account how much effort and time they put into creating this world and its histories.
bioware RPGs never had DLC before Mass Effect. and Mass Effect had no expansions.
(discounting the very different approach that was NWN, that is)
Damar Stiehl wrote...
What beats the hell out of me is that nobody thinks that Blizzard or NCSoft or other MMO companies are heartless bastards for charging $15 a month for:
- No new story (sure, MMOs get new content, but rarely do you get something every single month).
- No new items.
- Constant buff/nerf cycle - if you rock today, you will surely suck tomorrow.
- Social aspect that boils down to "OMG I JUST RAPED U N00B U SUK" and "LFG".
...and, if you don't like it and stop paying $15 a month, you cannot play the core game.
But suddenly an optional $5 DLC that gives you new stuff and doesn't prevent you from playing the core game if you decide not to buy it is the end of the world and Bioware is Satan's left nut.
Modifié par Bfler, 19 novembre 2009 - 06:55 .
rmp wrote...
What does "A second chance to add Dog to your party" supposed to mean?
Lowlander wrote...
No I call that a realist. Anything that goes and puts more things back in the original campaign is suspect.
Real new content should be after the endgame.
VanDraegon wrote...
the_one_54321 wrote...
see that is exactly what i am worried about right there. MW2 turned out to be complete and utter [cow pies] as a AAA game, in terms of content and pricing. i wanted to get that game, but there is no way in hell im going to do it now, and all those millions that did? well IW should have included a great big red "SUCKER" stamp along with the game.
I agree with you.
Thing is, MW2 is going to be a stand alone game, no expansions and most likely, no DLC. Maybe some new maps for online play but that is it. Bioware is going to give us more adventure, exploration, what have you, in this world and setting and for what is actually a pretty small price. Most of us waste $5-$10 on a regualr basis with nothing to show for it. Perhaps since i am an older gamer and have more disposable income i really dont see this as a problem but as an opportunity to keep playing in this world.
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