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[VanDraegon]

the_one_54321 wrote...

i see it in exactly the oposite way. i think the DLC is showing similarities to MW2. sure, it's not nearly as bad, but now is the time to let them know that we dont want games like MW2. i see support for DLC as only leading down that road, one small transaction at a time.

I understand and sympathize with your concerns. However, I am pretty sure Bioware was not the innovator of this business model and it is no surprise that the gaming dev industry needs to change with the times to remain viable. We as gamers have to adapt as well. I am not a big fan of this new practice but i see it as helping the company that makes the games i love remain profitable. There are a lot of factors at play as to why the industry needs to change, but change it must. We have to go along with it if we wish to keep seeing quality products like this.

[Ghandorian]

I am not interested in waiting a year or two for an expansion. I would prefer to get some DLC spread over that time frame. Especially since this game engine will have mostly outlived its usefulness by then.

[JamesX]

It had better not be the less than 1 hour play time I got out of Warden's Keep.

[Walina]

Hum, what will happen if you finished the game ?

Can you take back all your campanions ?

Is it an after story DLC ?



Like some people said earlier, please make DLC which are related to the main story because I think that's a shame to not be able to use Soldier peak as base to "rebuild" the grey wardens

[Kelston]

VanDraegon wrote...

rofl. That didnt take long. Just how do you know it is not worth it? It says right in the description how it is tied to the story of the official campaign.

Jesus, some of you people are effing rediculous.

Just like how Warden's Keep right in the description it says you get a new base of operations except you don't? You can't even change your party at Warden's Keep.

[mastorofpuppetz]

Lowlander wrote...

TheMadCat wrote...

Lowlander wrote...

At least they were new stories. They were not bits and pieces of the original campaign sold to you later.

How was Warden's Keep "bits and pieces" of the original campaign?

You mean it is a new story you play outside the original campaign? In that case I was misinformed. I was under the impression that it was part of the original campaign and that it gave you the best sword to use in the original campaign.

Versus a NWN premium module (like Kingmaker) that the other poster was talking about, which was a whole new story, and a new setting,  to played with new characters.

Can you see the difference?

Your seriously dillusional if your comparing Premium modules that were released many years after the original game, to DLC for a game that just launched, in due time there will be longer modules, DLC to play.

[LenaMarie]

You fanboys are really sad, this looks worse then Warden's Keep which was a false advertising rip off. You people would probaly cheer for poop on a stick if Bioware stamped its logo on it.  I wish Bioware would start making some REAL dlc not this Microtransaction crap disguised as DLC.  Bioware should really focus on bringing its DLC quality up to speed with their game release quality.

[kansadoom]

Ok now can everybody calm down, cant we just wait for some customer feedback to see if its worth it. Then we can make our decisions

[bjdbwea]

What a joke. Come on! Just take half or one year and develop a full expansion (and don't forget to also make it available on DVD), like it used to be. Everyone will buy it. Even make it cost as much as a full game, everyone will still buy it. But as much as I enjoy DA, you won't see any money from me for THIS kind of content. Never. Though I guess as long as this "new" model works, there's no use blaming BioWare and EA for trying to maximize their profit. Only if the players reject this, might there be a chance for change.

[fluxcage]

Have any of the people complaining actually played the DLC yet?



Just curious.

[TheMadCat]

Lowlander wrote...

TheMadCat wrote...

Lowlander wrote...

At least they were new stories. They were not bits and pieces of the original campaign sold to you later.

How was Warden's Keep "bits and pieces" of the original campaign?

You mean it is a new story you play outside the original campaign? In that case I was misinformed. I was under the impression that it was part of the original campaign and that it gave you the best sword to use in the original campaign.

Versus a NWN premium module (like Kingmaker) that the other poster was talking about, which was a whole new story, and a new setting,  to played with new characters.

Can you see the difference?

It was played outside of the main campaign, it had nothing to do with the games story. It was a nice little side quest with a interesting story about the betrayal, corruption, and pettiness of the Wardens in the past. It's fleshed out nicely and had plenty details and a few added codex entries. If you want to look at it as nothing but an area having the best sword in the game then fine, personally I look at it as a nice little distraction from the main quest with a good story and lore surrounding it.

[Adaram]

I think this is all good!! In fact, it's great!! And for those that don't like it, they don't have to buy it, so it's a win win!

[marlowwe]

You people say that if we buy DLC that will just incentivize them making more "crap" DLC.  If we don't buy the DLC, then it will just incentivize them not to make anything at all ALA Mass Effect.

Then maybe they shouldn't be in business.

No real gamer stops gaming because of optional DLC, please.

Who are you to say who is a real gamer?

The reasoning of the supporters is pretty solid as well.

BioWare is
charging five dollars for what will probably be a couple hours worth of
entertainment in an area that actually means something to your
character, and some members of your party. It was a great game, people
enjoy the Shale DLC, which was free. We got ONE ok DLC which people
complained about, so BW is releasing a new cheaper one and you're going
to refuse to play it, with no knowledge about whether it's worth the
time or not.



I personally have yet to be dissapointed by
Bioware, and if they want some pocket change in order to entertain me
and bring me into a lore-rich area, so be it.

I don't see any solid reasoning from DLC supporters. All we know about the new DLC is what Bioware tells us and so far it's not much. There is no indication of how long it will be compared to say, Warden's Keep so we can toss out the "a couple of hours entertainment" line. Shale was supposed to be shipped with the original game - so it wasn't "free" - you're just lucky they didn't charge YOU for it. The fact that they had problems patching him in (I read the developer post explaining this in detail) doesn't concern me and shouldn't indebt us to Bioware. No one cares (especially Bioware's competitors) how much trouble or what they had to do to eventually get Shale into the game - they are in the game making business and that's what they do.

Of course everyone's goal is to determine whether they want to purchase the new DLC without actually giving anyone money - so far I, and a lot of other players are not conviced based on what has been released so far. The reason we're up in arms about it is precisely this is the kind of behaviour indicative of milking the players for money while churning out mediocre content.

Pretty shrewd new gaming business model... Take the game you have, chop
out as much as you can without doing too much damage to the original.
Then sell the original for full price. And then sell what you chopped
out in bits and increments every few weeks for $5-$10. Steady "after
launch" money flow for content that could have been in the original.


Brilliant actually.

It's capitalism baby.

No one really knows what is actually in this DLC at the moment
other then the 3 pointers there. In the end there could be a nice
little story behind the whole thing tieing up a few loose ends. No one
really knows, everyone is just assuming.

Again we're all going on information that Bioware releases to us and so far the bullet points don't look promising. That's way more reason not to like the DLC than saying "well it COULD be good!".

Modifié par marlowwe, 19 novembre 2009 - 07:36 .

[Heliosas]

I've finished the game so DLC content that's only accessible from before the final battle/area is somewhat lost on me. I'd much rather they did a proper full expansion than just adding little bits here and there. Sure when I next play through the game in the future I'll likely buy it.. if its still available then.

[TheMadCat]

Again we're all going on information that Bioware releases to us and so far the bullet points don't look promising. That's way more reason not to like the DLC than saying "well it COULD be good!".

This site, which nearly eliminated all Grey Wardens from Ferelden, harbors a number of secrets, including Cailan's political agenda. Players will be able to try to discover what the king was planning, as well as reclaim his honor and equipment.

Obviously there is more to it then what the 3 pointers state.

[Parrynoid]

I think they're geniuses. They take advantage of the fanboys who will buy any DLC they put out. Seriously I bet they'll come out with a new DLC every 2 weeks and eat up your $10 a month "hidden subscription"

I guess they made the loot in the game crappy on purpose, so they could make DLC's with slightly less crappy loot.

Theres a Toolkit people. Crap like this could be made by any of you fanboys out there.

[PrinceOfFallout13]

i hope for duncans armor to be found aswell (i want this damn it)

[Kelston]

fluxcage wrote...

Have any of the people complaining actually played the DLC yet?

Just curious.

We played the other attempt at a DLC.

If you went to a restaurant and you found metal and glass shards in your burger, you wouldn't keep buying burgers from them until they give you a good one. You complain about their burgers and you roll your eyes at people who say "Have you bought the new burgers!?" Because you obviously haven't given the history of metal and glass shards in the burgers.

So your just curious response is an idiotic and flawed one.

[Matdeception]

Heliosas wrote...

I've finished the game so DLC content that's only accessible from before the final battle/area is somewhat lost on me. I'd much rather they did a proper full expansion than just adding little bits here and there. Sure when I next play through the game in the future I'll likely buy it.. if its still available then.

You can reload your game from the epilogue, allowing you to finish things up. From a story line setting, everything takes place before the final 'battle' as it were. So... even if you finished the game, you can just load the epilogue save and continue on your marry way.

[Kelston]

TheMadCat wrote...
This site, which nearly eliminated all Grey Wardens from Ferelden, harbors a number of secrets, including Cailan's political agenda. Players will be able to try to discover what the king was planning, as well as reclaim his honor and equipment.

Obviously there is more to it then what the 3 pointers state.

Really? Because from Warden's Keep, there was less to it than what the pointers said.

Modifié par Kelston, 19 novembre 2009 - 07:40 .

[Klimy]

Is it out? Bought first two DLC on day one when my pre-order came. Oh boy, and now new DLC!
So far looks awsome! Was just yesterday thinking why I was unable to return to Ostagar to kick some Darkspaw bottom! Now it's here as if Bioware heard me

And well on time as I just yesterday started new playthrough!

**Holding hard earned money in the hand and eager to spend** So nice to spend my salary on things I really enjoy, instead of some small junk here and there.

Modifié par Klimy, 19 novembre 2009 - 07:47 .

[toronto13]

the_one_54321 wrote...
it's not about the time. it's about spending $12 for content that is less than 1/100 of the whole game, after i spend $50 on the game.

 Ah BioWare,BioWare,now is the time to watch and learn,next time be sure that the game is lasting only 12hrs,then people won't complain like this.

[mastorofpuppetz]

Heliosas wrote...

I've finished the game so DLC content that's only accessible from before the final battle/area is somewhat lost on me. I'd much rather they did a proper full expansion than just adding little bits here and there. Sure when I next play through the game in the future I'll likely buy it.. if its still available then.

A real gamer does not stop gaming over what is optional content in a  game that already as 100 plus hours of it. Not rocket science.