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[Meneldhil]

Once upon a time video game companies released such new content freely. Once upon a time they still had some respect for the customer and didn't consider him as a mere cashcow.

Now I'm wondering:
15€ for Shale
7€ for WK
5€ to 7€ for this

We're already at ~30€, which is the price of a real extansion. And what do we get for that price? A useless (though I admit, funny) character, a dongeon explored in 1 hour and a recycled area with a recycled armor.

Now, compare this to old-school addons.
BG1 addon had 20 times this content and was cheaper. Same goes for BG2, and even NWN2 (edit: actually, it would be more like 100 times the content).
Warcraft 3 TFT offers 4 new campaigns (roughly 15 hours of play) for 30€

Heck, Cavedog used to release new units for free every 2 weeks or so. And now we have to pay for that half-arsed content? Yeah, right.

Modifié par Meneldhil, 20 novembre 2009 - 09:57 .

[Xeper84]

@ adult:

never said they are not adult.



@DA:O:I never said the base game is not worth it's money



@pc titles :yea that's why they are trying to get more money out of their games in other ways. Like DLC. and when this works they will try the next best thing like blizzard wanting money for battle.net

[Emryc]

Of course they're using us as cash cows.

Of course 5 to 15 euro's is a very reasonable price if compared to other consumer products (i.e. coffee or a night to the cinema).



Both views are equally valid, but it's not a false dilemma or a moral choice. Just a problem of prioritizing your money.



Personally, the reason why I'm not buying any DLC soon is not because the price (I can pay that just fine if I wanted to, and if I can use PayPal to buy Bioware points; all the sweeter) but because I do feel kind of bum-humped by EA as a European PS3-user.



The PS3-version was delayed for two weeks and the DLC is working as efficient as a bureaucracy. THAT's what pisses me off.

[KalDurenik]

Xeper84 wrote...

@ adult:
never said they are not adult.

@DA:O:I never said the base game is not worth it's money

@pc titles :yea that's why they are trying to get more money out of their games in other ways. Like DLC. and when this works they will try the next best thing like blizzard wanting money for battle.net

I should comment this and say that Blizzard have said battle.net is free . However some features might cost money (move a character in diablo from one realm to the other) name changes and stuff like that. Sure its basicly free money but what kind of service in the world don't take money for these things?

[CastorKrieg]

Meneldhil wrote...

Once upon a time video game companies released such new content freely. Once upon a time they still had some respect for the customer and didn't consider him as a mere cashcow.

Now I'm wondering:
15€ for Shale
7€ for WK
5€ to 7€ for this

We're already at ~30€, which is the price of a real extansion. And what do we get for that price? A useless (though I admit, funny) character, a dongeon explored in 1 hour and a recycled area with a recycled armor.

Now, compare this to old-school addons.
BG1 addon had 20 times this content and was cheaper. Same goes for BG2, and even NWN2 (edit: actually, it would be more like 100 times the content).
Warcraft 3 TFT offers 4 new campaigns (roughly 15 hours of play) for 30€

Heck, Cavedog used to release new units for free every 2 weeks or so. And now we have to pay for that half-arsed content? Yeah, right.

Once upon a time games didn't cost 20-40 million USD to develop. Once upon a time piracy was not rampart aided by proliferation of cheap high-speed Internet. Times change. Live with it. If you don't want to buy this DLC, don't buy it.

[Bluemax151]

Big announcement is more DLC? That's a bit of a let down in all honesty. I'll wait until all the dlc comes included in a final retail version. I always do..

[Wurwwwaaa]

So instead a patch to fix all those annoying bugs OR a decent expansion we get an option to buy retextured armor located in reused area?

And it being optional means that another bloke will sit in my camp, pissing me off with quest mark above his head?



GG BioWare. Whats next? The Amazing Rat Field (only 5$ and a second chance to get Sten)?

[Xeper84]

"once upon a time" you mean two years ago (nwn2)? or one like The witcher? or zero like Dawn of war 2? This has not a lot to do with costs or pirating this is just to get more money.

[blaalindorm]

Trajan60 wrote...

I'm just worried that the fact it's only $5 makes it even shorter than Warden's Keep. I hope I'm wrong.

If we scale that from Waren's Keep, it's going to be about 30mins long at maximum!

[Meneldhil]

CastorKrieg wrote...


Once upon a time games didn't cost 20-40 million USD to develop. Once upon a time piracy was not rampart aided by proliferation of cheap high-speed Internet. Times change. Live with it. If you don't want to buy this DLC, don't buy it.

Right, because piracy wasn't rampant back then...

Because the video game industry isn't making billions of profit nowadays, unlike what happened 10 years ago.

This industry never made as much money as it is now, despite the "rampant piracy" and the increased production costs. But it's still not enough, as the shareholders and people like Bobby Kotick want even more cash.

In short, we're being ripped off by an industry that doesn't give a crap about its consummers and fans anymore. None of your so-called economical arguments can change that.

And btw, there are still some video game companies that still release decent expansions. See Blizzard (though I fear things will change now that it's tied to Activision/Vivendi), Atari (NWN2), etc.

Modifié par Meneldhil, 20 novembre 2009 - 10:25 .

[Grunker]

Meneldhil wrote...

Once upon a time video game companies released such new content freely. Once upon a time they still had some respect for the customer and didn't consider him as a mere cashcow.

Now I'm wondering:
15€ for Shale
7€ for WK
5€ to 7€ for this

We're already at ~30€, which is the price of a real extansion. And what do we get for that price? A useless (though I admit, funny) character, a dongeon explored in 1 hour and a recycled area with a recycled armor.

Now, compare this to old-school addons.
BG1 addon had 20 times this content and was cheaper. Same goes for BG2, and even NWN2 (edit: actually, it would be more like 100 times the content).
Warcraft 3 TFT offers 4 new campaigns (roughly 15 hours of play) for 30€

Heck, Cavedog used to release new units for free every 2 weeks or so. And now we have to pay for that half-arsed content? Yeah, right.

This.

Also, whoever said it's because games are more costly to make today than 10 years ago: Bull****. Games make tons more money today compared to 10 years ago, even after cost-benefit.

Think before you speak.

[Lotion Soronarr]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...
It comes down to two words, cost effectiveness. I'd much rather get 15 little 5 dollar moduals than not get a retail boxed expansion that doesn't get green lighted due to cost of packaging/retail shelf space/cost of full fledge dev team to make said expansion.

The industry is changing, game development costs are skyrocketing. If this is the only way we're going to get additional content, I'll gladly support it over getting none at all.

If it were the only way to get new ontent...but it's not. I know FAR smalelr companies that have no where near hte manpower or finances BioWare has, that manage to ship expansions packs that put to shame most EP's big companies put out there.
Heck, I know a company that ships out updates that add as much as any DLC here for free (they are not called patches simply because of how much they change /add...and they are free)

I have nothing against DLC if it's priced reasonably or it is meaningfull enough.

[supakillaii]

blaalindorm wrote...

Trajan60 wrote...

I'm just worried that the fact it's only $5 makes it even shorter than Warden's Keep. I hope I'm wrong.

If we scale that from Waren's Keep, it's going to be about 30mins long at maximum!

I did Warden's in 30 minutes...
That was the 2nd time, and I didn't collect the Codexes or anything though.

[Digitalspray]

i have mix feelings about this. i love the game and all but so far the DLCs were nothing to write home about in terms of longevity. They were over before I knew it, more so for Warden's Keep.



I would really like to see something with a bit more replayability, like a random dungeon generator with random loot or better random encounters.



On a separate note, fix the blood dragon armor on elven females please!!

[torath77]

Games make more money, but it's not proportional to what the developing costs have risen to.
Baldurs Gate didn't even cost a million. Games now cost 20 millions. Even if the market is bigger - it's not 40-100 times bigger than 10 years ago.

Just look at the industry. It's a given fact that this whole generation since we got the new console sis a big mistake for all publishers except Nintendo and perhaps Activision (WoW, CoD and Guitar Hero). Games that sell over a million produce loses - great new IPs like mirrors edge and Deadspace. DA is a pc game in a shrinking pc market - console version won't sell that much, probably less the Mass Effect 1 on just one platform.

And nobody said that there will be no Addons like real Expansion Packs for DragonAge. Releasing them now would just be dumb. And perhaps there is a GOTY Version coming with all DLC on a disc ...

Modifié par torath77, 20 novembre 2009 - 10:41 .

[blaalindorm]

supakillaii wrote...

blaalindorm wrote...

Trajan60 wrote...

I'm just worried that the fact it's only $5 makes it even shorter than Warden's Keep. I hope I'm wrong.

If we scale that from Waren's Keep, it's going to be about 30mins long at maximum!

I did Warden's in 30 minutes...
That was the 2nd time, and I didn't collect the Codexes or anything though.

Yeah, my second time through Warden's Keep, was probably 30 minutes top.

Hopefully, since Ostagar level design already exists, they will have sprinkled it with snow and monsters.  Would like to see some expansion though, what about large catacombs in the Tower of Ishal.  We never saw them the first time around?

They'd better bump the XP cap up though, otherwise we're going to legitimately hit it.

Modifié par blaalindorm, 20 novembre 2009 - 12:22 .

[dragon_83]

I bought every DLC to DA:O and I will buy the new ones too because I love the game, but I feel a little ripped off.



I don't like World of Warcraft, but just look how Blizzard does. They are giving a lot of new content to the game through free patches. Or look at Bethesda, the Fallout 3 DLC-s contain 5-6 hours of gameplay, and they only cost a little more.



Bioware, I know you are at EA now, but don't be so moneyhungry as they are. I don't want a full blown 20 hour long expansion, but I want at least 5 hour gameplay.

[Rhian-Skyblade]

I don't mind paying a little for additional content, as long as the price is reasonable.

Though, it could get easily out of hand and I really hope the will try to keep the additional content more or less "big/complex enough" to be worthwhile. If they start out to make most money with snippets and items as other games (Hell Gate London for example) I doubt I will buy them. I prefer a good long complex quest with great entertaining value more than any "Ubber-Item"



All in all, I also hope that there will be a lot player generated mods and content, too like for NWN and Oblivion.

[Xeper84]

thats the next point i wouldn't be so angry about this dlc if we would get something for it for example i think the fallout 3 dlc was already overpriced but you had at least 5 hours of gameplay for 10$. In the end i waited for the "game of the year ed." and payed about 2.5$ for one dlc. Thats a price that is ok in my mind.

[mystupidmouth]

I guess this explains why no one could find Maric's sword.

[Soap3985]

hopefully Bioware will release a DLC only Disc at the end of each holiday season. Good Example would be the GTA IV's DLC Episodes

[Tekbear]

oh man - this DLC for money discussion is really tiring and i think all has been said. i am definitely going to spend the 5$(!!!) i am not going to spend on something else while i play the content.

i'm looking forward to go back to ostagar i have wanted to go back there and check on things all the time so i'm really looking forward to it.

[AstaSyneri]

$5 for this expansion might be misleading. From a developer's standpoint reusing an existing area is a good thing: The models are all there, you just need to tweak it and retexturize it. That allows for more resources to be put in the actual adventure and/or reduce the price to appease a certain segment of the customer base.



I am going to give Bioware the benefit of the doubt and I'll certainly want to go back there (to Ostagar) and download it. "Holiday season" is a bit vague, though, our local christmas markets are being set up right now. Hopefully it will be available soon.

[AstaSyneri]

$5 for this expansion might be misleading. From a developer's standpoint reusing an existing area is a good thing: The models are all there, you just need to tweak it and retexturize it. That allows for more resources to be put in the actual adventure and/or reduce the price to appease a certain segment of the customer base.



I am going to give Bioware the benefit of the doubt and I'll certainly want to go back there (to Ostagar) and download it. "Holiday season" is a bit vague, though, our local christmas markets are being set up right now. Hopefully it will be available soon.