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[eastoreispos]

EXPANSION PLEASE

not 'flashback' recycled content that has no meaning or makes any difference in the game's story.

*edited*  not buying this considering Warden's Keep was crap.  As the great and eloquent former leader of the free world, the illustrious George Bush (Jr) put it: 

"Fool me once, shame on... (ponderous pause) shame on you!  Fool me... (exasperated pause) you can't get fooled again!"

Modifié par eastoreispos, 20 novembre 2009 - 11:16 .

[Dariofrigo13]

I appreciate that BioWare keeps working on Dragon Age, but they must realize that many players only play through the game once. DLC is for that reason useless, it would be better if they made DLC or expansions that can be played after you finished the game and continue the 'story'.



So I'd like to play the DLC, but I won't because I can't be bothered to start a new game for it. Mass Effect had exactly the same problem.

[Awildawn]

dragon_83 wrote...


I don't like World of Warcraft, but just look how Blizzard does. They are giving a lot of new content to the game through free patches. 

Free patches when you're paying a subscription is a bit of a paradox don't you think. Blizzard is just doing what they need to keep their subscribers.
Bioware has the obligation of providing good content if they want people to buy it. I don't care about an armor or a sword but if the story around Ostagar is interesting or if it proposes really new content (new building parts for example or new reusable monsters), I will buy it.

[Dariofrigo13]

I appreciate that BioWare keeps working on Dragon Age, but they must realize that many players only play through the game once. DLC is for that reason useless, it would be better if they made DLC or expansions that can be played after you finished the game and continue the 'story'.
So I'd like to play the DLC, but I won't because I can't be bothered to start a new game for it. Mass Effect had exactly the same problem.

[Thibbledorf26]

Times have not really changed as much as some people think. Other companies are still making long expansions for 40 bucks or so. Storm of Zehir and Mask of the Betrayer are recent expansions for NWN2 which added 20 hours, and plenty of new options. Dawn of War 2 for example (I know not RPG) is making full-fledged expansions. I mean, DA was a long, quality game. I think EA is pushing these marketing gimmicks on Bioware. And it is Bioware's fault for choosing to work with the bumbling behemoth.



I have been thinking for a long while, there is a real disparity between the development of DA and the promotion/marketing/addons for it. The game itself is excellent and well-tested, as well as good value for money. The marketing/promotion/addon pricing decisions are being handled poorly. Now let's think of which company is responsible for the development, and which company is responsible for advertising and promotion?



It isn't rocket surgery.

[Klimy]

Hehehe, yesterday before I went to sleap this topic was just 4 pages long, now its 7 times bigger and has nothing to do with actual "Return to Ostagar" but rather small opinion war about DLC in general.



Oh well, I'll also putt some wood in the fire:

In some way I support both teams of this topic. Because from one side launching small DLC in big amount will end up in a round number on my bank account. So at some point I will start to be much more picky about what DLC to buy.

But on the other hand, I use to buy 3-4 new games every month and at the end of the month I already have to re-play some again because they just so darn short that you kill itsame evening you bought them. While with DA it took me almost a month to get to the end, and I was rushing and skiping a lot. So in total my expenses on video games this month were much less than usual. Thus paying for additional DLC to make my next playthroughs more intertaining worth the cost.



Lets not count someones profits and losses. We all want many things, like I want a submarine but for some strange reason it costs like hell. I don't go berserk about it, I just don't buy it (as if I could). There is a price tag on the DLC for DA, do exectly same thing as you do in the shop: buy it or don't.



Complains about prices and content is not worth it, for example I want an apple (its almost lunch time right now) and I know well that in vending machine it costs 1$. I find it overpriced for this product, but I don't complain about price tag to the company because I bought their club membership card.

[Tarynas]

Wow. I stopped posting on forums such as these because the general gaming community is a lot of whiny, complaining, incessantly annoying people. And everyone that is complaining about a new DLC because it's "an old area" or it "doesn't have enough original content" or it's... oh no... FIVE BUCKS!!! If you don't like the way companies who make games make them, market them, and derive profit from them? Don't buy them. Plenty of other people will and your $50 - $60 will go entirely unnoticed, I promise. Get off your sense of entitlement because you put a CD into your console or computer.



Better yet? You think you can do better? YOU make your own game. Maybe it'll take up enough of your time to where we'll all be spared your whining.



Awesome for more DLC for an awesome game.

[voidcommander9111980]

nice !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[kansas red]

im not a fan of DLC i like full xpacks for games older games used to give u them but these days its dlc or sequels but with bioware/ea making so far $1 million + on just dlc they wont stop anytime soon they should just say for $40 to $60 per year u will have access to say like 12 ave sized dlc and just start making ppl sub like mmos its the way its heading in gaming anyway but old school xpacks
will always have a place in my heart some have been crap others have been great

Modifié par kansas red, 20 novembre 2009 - 11:31 .

[yullyuk]

Tarynas wrote...

Wow. I stopped posting on forums such as these because the general gaming community is a lot of whiny, complaining, incessantly annoying people. And everyone that is complaining about a new DLC because it's "an old area" or it "doesn't have enough original content" or it's... oh no... FIVE BUCKS!!! If you don't like the way companies who make games make them, market them, and derive profit from them? Don't buy them. Plenty of other people will and your $50 - $60 will go entirely unnoticed, I promise. Get off your sense of entitlement because you put a CD into your console or computer.

Better yet? You think you can do better? YOU make your own game. Maybe it'll take up enough of your time to where we'll all be spared your whining.

Awesome for more DLC for an awesome game.

i agree, 5 dollars (3 pounds for me) is nothing, i could spend that on a bus journey and not bat an eye lid, or give it to a tramp, i wont be diong either obviously... ill be getting the dlc wen its launched   and ive stated that point several times like you have in this post, the people who produce this game arent going to give out content for free because they have bills to pay as we all do, and since their job is outputting games that they themselves produce i dont blame um for doing it, even if it is cheap

[eastoreispos]

@ Klimy:



The point is we want DLC that is worth paying for. DA has an awesome storyline that is cheapened everytime they throw out this worthless 30 minute DLC that doesn't expand on the actual story. Compare it to Tolkien selling us (if he were alive) 'expansions' upon The Hobbit or LOTR that don't actually add to the story, or change it in any way shape or form. And to read the 'expansions' you have to re-read the book or start reading the book again before the ending, but already knowing the ending and knowing that this will change nothing. Then on top of that, the 'expansions' only take you about 30 minutes to read. Wait that's a bad example, unlike most of you open-mouth breathers that have to sound out each syllable in your head as you read, 30 minutes of reading is actually a lot of content for me. I'm pretty insanely awesome, I know, so make it 5 minutes of extra content.



Aside from them ****ting on their own storyline is the fact that all of their content to date has taken an average of 30 minutes to complete is what I'm saying. Words are hard so I summarized it up neatly for the rest of the forum visitors.

[yullyuk]

eastoreispos wrote...

The point is we want DLC that is worth paying for. DA has an awesome storyline that is cheapened everytime they throw out this worthless 30 minute DLC that doesn't expand on the actual story.

Aside from them ****ting on their own storyline is the fact that all of their content to date has taken an average of 30 minutes to complete is what I'm saying. Words are hard so I summarized it up neatly for the rest of the forum visitors.

and if this was in the game at launch then no one would complain, its $5 for an hour, we dont know that yet, the quest will take you back to ostagar and it says on the game add on page, that you find something of king cailans that points you to a lost civilisation (a new area/town/dungeon) so this could be a few hours long

[eastoreispos]

kansas red wrote...

im not a fan of DLC i like full xpacks for games older games used to give u them but these days its dlc or sequels but with bioware/ea making so far $1 million + on just dlc they wont stop anytime soon they should just say for $40 to $60 per year u will have access to say like 12 ave sized dlc and just start making ppl sub like mmos its the way its heading in gaming anyway but old school xpacks
will always have a place in my heart some have been crap others have been great

What the **** are you saying?  Can you use just one punctuation please?  Oh wait you did, to make a winky face. Do you ramble like this in real life, stopping only when you turn blue in the face cuz you forgot to breathe again?  

[bliss point]

Dariofrigo13 wrote...

I appreciate that BioWare keeps working on Dragon Age, but they must realize that many players only play through the game once. DLC is for that reason useless, it would be better if they made DLC or expansions that can be played after you finished the game and continue the 'story'.

So I'd like to play the DLC, but I won't because I can't be bothered to start a new game for it. Mass Effect had exactly the same problem.

You do know that if you load the final (auto)save of your character you can continue to control them after the endgame and play any DLC?  Stats and total kills etc are preserved.  Jus ignore me if you did already know though!

I will probably buy this DLC, but have to say that I was shocked at how incredibly short Warden's Keep was.  I have purchased Stone Prisoner but have not played it yet.  What concerns me is not a single short DLC, but that they might release half a dozen or more that equal the cost of a full game but probably add 4 or 5 hours of gameplay.  That will be pretty hard to take - so PLEASE don't do that Bioware.  Something the length of the first Mass Effect DLC (was it Bring Down the Sky?) would be very welcome however...

Modifié par bliss point, 20 novembre 2009 - 11:49 .

[Naminator236]

I just really hope that EA.......I mean the new Bioware can milk the fanbois enough for a good long expansion.



Those who think this is going to be another 20-30 min loot dungeon, rejoice! Even though you will not buy this, this will fuel the future expansions..............along with the end of the Bioware we all knew and loved.



I mean honestly, what can you expect from a DLC thats highlighted features are that you will go back to a place from early levels, get loot with the models that were already in-game and get another chance to grab a party member that is already in the game(the dog). Seriously................

[eastoreispos]

yullyuk wrote...

eastoreispos wrote...

and if this was in the game at launch then no one would complain, its $5 for an hour, we dont know that yet, the quest will take you back to ostagar and it says on the game add on page, that you find something of king cailans that points you to a lost civilisation (a new area/town/dungeon) so this could be a few hours long

First you left all the awesome out of your quote of me, second I would like to know where exactly on the game add on page:
http://dragonage.bioware.com/addon/

It says ANYTHING about a lost civilization. 

[Meneldhil]

yullyuk wrote...

i agree, 5 dollars (3 pounds for me) is nothing, i could spend that on a bus journey and not bat an eye lid, or give it to a tramp, i wont be diong either obviously... ill be getting the dlc wen its launched   and ive stated that point several times like you have in this post, the people who produce this game arent going to give out content for free because they have bills to pay as we all do, and since their job is outputting games that they themselves produce i dont blame um for doing it, even if it is cheap

That's kind of the point isn't it? People who released new content freely a few years back also had to pay their bills. People who made real expansion with real content also had to pay their bills.

But now, Bioware developpers not only have to pay their bills, but also to pay the bills of CA shareholders and chief executive (which is where large parts of the profit go). Hence why they find new way to get money from us. And what is saddening is that the gaming community is happilly swallowing that. The most vehement members even spout nonsensical arguments such as "Make your own game", "It's the price of a good coffee" or "Who cares you're not going to buy it?".
Ten years ago, no company would have dared doing that, because it would have caused a huge fuss all over the internet. Now they do that and worse, and they have people who defend them and argue "it's fair game", all over the internet. Just like how people argued it was fair game that games such as Bioshock or Spore were shipped with ridiculous DRM. You know, "piracy and all that".

I myself won't stand for this and happilly get ripped off. Not that 5€/$ would kill my budget, but I certainly don't like this new step taken by the video game industry toward the "let's milk the consummer dry" attitude.

[Tarynas]

eastoreispos wrote...

Aside from them ****ting on their own storyline is the fact that all of their content to date has taken an average of 30 minutes to complete is what I'm saying. Words are hard so I summarized it up neatly for the rest of the forum visitors.

30 minutes is worth $5.00 to me.  And aside from that, Warden's Keep was a background on the wardens, and Stone Prisoner was an additional character with a separate backstory and quest.

The game has been out for what, 17 days?  And people are already screaming "Expansion!!!"

You people obviously do not even remotely understand what it takes to make a video game.  Try it sometime.

And for the love of god, drop your asinine sense of entitlement.  Game companies don't owe you anything but a working product you pay for.  If you don't want it, don't buy it.  It really is that simple.

[Meneldhil]

Tarynas wrote...

eastoreispos wrote...

Aside from them ****ting on their own storyline is the fact that all of their content to date has taken an average of 30 minutes to complete is what I'm saying. Words are hard so I summarized it up neatly for the rest of the forum visitors.

30 minutes is worth $5.00 to me.  And aside from that, Warden's Keep was a background on the wardens, and Stone Prisoner was an additional character with a separate backstory and quest.

The game has been out for what, 17 days?  And people are already screaming "Expansion!!!"

You people obviously do not even remotely understand what it takes to make a video game.  Try it sometime.

And for the love of god, drop your asinine sense of entitlement.  Game companies don't owe you anything but a working product you pay for.  If you don't want it, don't buy it.  It really is that simple.

I did work in a video game industry (Ubisoft Montpellier), and know what it takes to make a video game. You on the other hand apparently don't.
Nobody would be screaming expansion if Bioware wasn't releasing half-arsed, 1-hour long new content that should have been made part of a proper extansion rather than released in its current state.

And any company owes respect to its consummers. Hence why we're having this discussion.

[dragon_83]

Tarynas wrote...

Wow. I stopped posting on forums such as these because the general gaming community is a lot of whiny, complaining, incessantly annoying people. And everyone that is complaining about a new DLC because it's "an old area" or it "doesn't have enough original content" or it's... oh no... FIVE BUCKS!!! If you don't like the way companies who make games make them, market them, and derive profit from them? Don't buy them. Plenty of other people will and your $50 - $60 will go entirely unnoticed, I promise. Get off your sense of entitlement because you put a CD into your console or computer.

Better yet? You think you can do better? YOU make your own game. Maybe it'll take up enough of your time to where we'll all be spared your whining.

Awesome for more DLC for an awesome game.

You don't have to be so offensive. Everyone knows, that this is a great game, and I think most of us want expansions. We just don't like the fact , that these DLC-s are too damn short, and it would be great to have a 4-5 hour long expansion. I will buy the new DLC, but come on Bioware, you can do better.

[Xeper84]

Stone prisoner costs nearly half the money of the full game! Is one character really worth that amount of money?



and you really should read what some of us are writing no one said that we want an expansion NOW



True! game companies don't owe us something but they want our money what is wrong with giving some feedback?



and to go back to the food example i wouldn't buy a apple if it would cost 20$ and i can't imagine someone defending such a price beside the gaming community

[eastoreispos]

Tarynas is lol. Although i will give him that Stone Prisoner was the ONLY dlc that was worth it.

See I'm not complaining about the cost, I'll shell out another 49.99 for DA 2. Well, no maybe not. DA 1's track record isn't that great atm. Anyways, what I'm complaining about is the fact that Warden's Keep didn't add ANYTHING substantial to the game. Roughly 1 minute of non-cinematic cut-scenes is all it added. Aside from that nothing that affects the rest of the game's plot or storyline.

[R1cardo]

First: sorry for my bad english, not my first language.



My toughts about this DLC:



Make it longer, at the same or even better quality of WK and TSP.



Take your time, make it right, even if you have to delay it. Take Blizzard for example: Starcraft 2 is taking forever to launch, but for their previous record, I'm sure it'll be flawess.



Then again, don't get to extremes, live Valve's HL2: Episode 3... I can't believe they can launch 2 full games and don't launch Episode 3 until now...



On a side thought, obviously DLC is a direct response to the piracy and the "used market" of games. These things hurt most the developer (since the publisher has the control of investment, the risk is always on the developer side), thus indirectly hurting us, paying customers. That said, DLC IS GOOD in the actual market.



I don't know if I buy this or no, but I really expect people to buy it, to improve the market and fund new high quality games within the same quality/escope of Dragon Age.

[Tarynas]

[/quote]

And any company owes respect to its consummers. Hence why we're having this discussion.

[/quote]

What any company "owes" it's consumers is a working product that is provided when you pay their fee.  As far as I see, the DLC's work fine.  I'll likely buy them as they come out, and then buy the expansion when that comes out as well.  It's called supporting a good product that I enjoy.  If $5 is the make or break point for you?  You might want to spend more time working and less time buying video games.

Just saying, you know..

Additionally, I'd really like to hear of which games that have come out in the last 15 years that had a ton of FREE downloadable content that was *not* player-created.

I'm sure we'll have some player-created content soon with Dragon Age: Origins as well... as they've already released the creation tools for it.

[Evange]

I've always wanted that shiny armor on Cailan!!!!!