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[Xeper84]

Tarynas ... Your post reads like you owe something to bioware they have your money you don't owe them something.

[circusmnky]

I'm happy to see any new DLC before Christmas but I would definitely be willing to pay a little more for something longer and more involved than the launch day stuff. I'd really like to see a mission with a strong new villain, that perhaps can be set up for a return in DA 2 or another playable party member. The more new party members they add the more additional playthroughs can feel unique, if you use them.

[SpinachEater]

Thibbledorf26 wrote...
....I have been thinking for a long while, there is a real disparity between the development of DA and the promotion/marketing/addons for it. The game itself is excellent and well-tested, as well as good value for money. The marketing/promotion/addon pricing decisions are being handled poorly. Now let's think of which company is responsible for the development, and which company is responsible for advertising and promotion?

It isn't rocket surgery.

I think that is a good point.   You have to separate the marketing groups from the developers.  I feel bad for the developers actually.  They probably have to sit on the sidelines and watch the marketing groups chop up their work and sell it in $5 chunks.   These DLCs are probably all ideas that were part of the original game but got cut out to sell as extras.  

You also have to think that these add ons were probably decided on and packaged a year ago.  Other than pricing, Bioware can't possibly take in the feedback from Wardens and change the DLC so quickly to make it longer or add characters...ect...ect...  Hopefully something significant is planned for xmas that has 10+ hrs of gameplay.  

Hey, at least it isn't $7?  

[Sslaxx]

Thibbledorf26 wrote...
And it is Bioware's fault for choosing to work with the bumbling behemoth.

Nope. Bioware and Pandemic were owned by Elevation Partners, and they were the ones who sold them to EA. Bioware didn't choose anything, so are not to blame.

As for the DLC (and considering I don't even own the game yet, well...), if they follow Bethsoft's example and release it as a compilation on physical media (ala Knights of the Nine), then I'd be interested.

Modifié par Sslaxx, 20 novembre 2009 - 12:30 .

[yullyuk]

eastoreispos wrote...

yullyuk wrote...

eastoreispos wrote...

and if this was in the game at launch then no one would complain, its $5 for an hour, we dont know that yet, the quest will take you back to ostagar and it says on the game add on page, that you find something of king cailans that points you to a lost civilisation (a new area/town/dungeon) so this could be a few hours long

First you left all the awesome out of your quote of me, second I would like to know where exactly on the game add on page:
http://dragonage.bioware.com/addon/

It says ANYTHING about a lost civilization. 

taken from  ;

Return to Ostagar, BioWare’s next thread in the Dragon Age: Origins tapestry, summons players to a new quest in which they will return to the fateful battleground in Ostagar where the Grey Wardens were nearly wiped out. Players will discover King Cailan’s top-secret political agenda and go behind enemy lines to revisit a place that many feared had been lost to history.

i misinterpreted the civilisation part but that part non the less is a forgotten place but yes i do agree some dlc shouldnt be free but all im saying is these people do have bills and mortages to pay, i dont blame them for charging for dlc and the reason that no one dared try this kind of crap 10 years ago is because DLC in its current form and the digital market didnt exist 10 years ago, you could download mods and updates but anyone that actually bought an expansion it was sold in a shop, now im not saying that its ok for them to charge for small bits of dlc, but my point is that they are doing the dlc non the less and no matter how much people **** and moan they arent going to stop doing it, people forget the bigger picture and that is, they have to pay the actors for their time, and the sound crew, and several other departments, for an hours worth of dlc, an hours worth of work can easily amount to 100 hours of labour on their part, so yeah, i think $5 is fair, considering that they probably will on see pennys of that money go into their pay check

Modifié par yullyuk, 20 novembre 2009 - 12:29 .

[AsheraII]

Let's make a really stupid comparison with an even more stupid game: WoW



In WoW you pay 50 bucks for a new expansion, and what do you get? About 7 areas that take ~2 hours each to complete with about 10 dungeons that take about an hour and a half each to complete. So for 5 bucks you're getting about 3/4th of an area to explore and a dungeon that you'll probably do on only 1 of your characters.



But wait, there's more! You get a content patch in wow about every 8 months with a new dungeon and stuff for free. Great! May I remind you that you're paying a 14 buck fee a month to get that new dungeon? So that great dungeon cost you 120 bucks!



I think I prefer these DLC's then, they're much cheaper on the long term, and I get to pick which ones I do and which ones I don't like.

[Jonny_Evil]

Tarynas wrote...

30 minutes is worth $5.00 to me.

Does it not even occur to you that people aren't complaining just because it's $5, nor because of some sense of entitlement, but that they're complaining because if we keep shelling out $5 for 30 minutes eventually that leads us to $50 for 5 hours? That's a ridiculous cost, it's like MW2 without any mutliplayer kind of cost, and people like you are leading us towards it.

*edit* Yeah, edited for unnecessary insults. Sorry about that.

Modifié par Jonny_Evil, 20 novembre 2009 - 03:55 .

[Xeper84]

i can't understand how someone could play wow so this is really no argument for me. but you're not comparing a mmo to a offline RPG ?

[frederick4]

Thibbledorf26 wrote...

Times have not really changed as much as some people think. Other companies are still making long expansions for 40 bucks or so. Storm of Zehir and Mask of the Betrayer are recent expansions for NWN2 which added 20 hours, and plenty of new options. Dawn of War 2 for example (I know not RPG) is making full-fledged expansions. I mean, DA was a long, quality game. I think EA is pushing these marketing gimmicks on Bioware. And it is Bioware's fault for choosing to work with the bumbling behemoth.

I have been thinking for a long while, there is a real disparity between the development of DA and the promotion/marketing/addons for it. The game itself is excellent and well-tested, as well as good value for money. The marketing/promotion/addon pricing decisions are being handled poorly. Now let's think of which company is responsible for the development, and which company is responsible for advertising and promotion?

It isn't rocket surgery.

Bioware has done the same thing with NWN before they were sold to EA. The DLC for NWN has been great. It added a whole new flavour to the game and met high quality standards. Wardens Keep has the same qualities as the NWN premium modules back in those days: Heavily story driven plot and some goodies added to the game, except that it was really too short. I blame this on the fact that it was designed as a gimmick for the collectors addition providing some additional value. It seems a lot there will be more value in 'Return to Ostagar'. At least i hope so.

[ruyanve]

Jonny_Evil wrote... 

Congratulations, you are a sucker. Does it not even occur to you that people aren't complaining just because it's $5, nor because of some sense of entitlement, but that they're complaining because if we keep shelling out $5 for 30 minutes eventually that leads us to $50 for 5 hours? That's a ridiculous cost, it's like MW2 without any mutliplayer kind of cost, and people like you are leading us towards it.

Does it not even occur to you that you might be wrong?

Just sayin... 


I will buy a DLC for 5 bucks if I want to (see what I did there?) but I'll sure as hell won't buy a 5 hour full priced expansion. Sounds like common sense to you? Let's just assume the folks at Bioware have common sense and this discussion ends right here.

[Klimy]

Jonny_Evil wrote...
Congratulations, you are a sucker. Does it not even occur to you that people aren't complaining just because it's $5, nor because of some sense of entitlement, but that they're complaining because if we keep shelling out $5 for 30 minutes eventually that leads us to $50 for 5 hours? That's a ridiculous cost, it's like MW2 without any mutliplayer kind of cost, and people like you are leading us towards it.

Hehe, please dont get offended, but take it with a smile, just a thought went through my head:
most of the games in Sweden for XBox cost around 70$ and they are 4-5h long, some of them even shorter like Mini Ninjas (it was very cool btw, enjoyed playing with my kids). So this era is alread behind us now its 70$ for 5h, next stage 90$ for 5h game and even it is already almost here when you look at all that delux, super delux, super duper delux with cherry on top then they can go over 100$ 

circusmnky wrote...
I'm happy to see any new DLC before Christmas but I would definitely be willing to pay a little more for something longer and more involved than the launch day stuff. I'd really like to see a mission with a strong new villain, that perhaps can be set up for a return in DA 2 or another playable party member. The more new party members they add the more additional playthroughs can feel unique, if you use them.

Very good point about new party members, didn't think of it, but allways wondered what is missing during a new playthrough. Thank you for pointing it out

Xeper84 wrote...
and to go back to the food example i wouldn't buy a apple if it would cost 20$ and i can't imagine someone defending such a price beside the gaming community

Forget about the apple, it was stupid example, I was just hungry at that moment. Now as lunch is behind us I find my example to be not accurate

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I also fully support some people here who say that Bioware owns us to fix some bug that should be classified as showstoppers that prevent user from finishing the game (like crashes during loading times on XBox)

And yes some more extended gametime of the DLC would be really nice. But I think first two DLC had a good storry that made the game even better (closed door of WK  after complition do not count, because that was a pure fail that you can't enter into your own house.)

[Ischkwezrn]

hope there will be lots of blood and guts in this new dlc

[Klimy]

@Von Salza good point, hope you are wrong and DA DLC will not die out after ME2 release

[Jonny_Evil]

ruyanve wrote...

Jonny_Evil wrote... 

Congratulations, you are a sucker. Does it not even occur to you that people aren't complaining just because it's $5, nor because of some sense of entitlement, but that they're complaining because if we keep shelling out $5 for 30 minutes eventually that leads us to $50 for 5 hours? That's a ridiculous cost, it's like MW2 without any mutliplayer kind of cost, and people like you are leading us towards it.

Does it not even occur to you that you might be wrong?

Just sayin... 


I will buy a DLC for 5 bucks if I want to (see what I did there?) but I'll sure as hell won't buy a 5 hour full priced expansion. Sounds like common sense to you? Let's just assume the folks at Bioware have common sense and this discussion ends right here.

But they've said they're supporting DA with content for two years. If they put out a $5 DLC every two months and it's the same as Warden's Keep, 30 minutes of hack n slash with some loot, then if you buy it all you're shelling out the price of a full game for tiny pieces of DLC. And while you're doing that they're not going to bother with an expansion, just look at Morrowind, Oblivion and Fallout 3 (yes, I know they're a different company). Morrowind has two full expansions, Oblivion one full expansion and some tiny DLC and Fallout 3, oh yeah, no expansions and plenty of DLC, only a couple of which were worth the money.

I like the idea of DLC, I just think it should be a bit meatier. Warden's Keep should have had more quests and more content around the keep itself than just a bit of fighting and then some merchants. They'll do whatever makes them the most money for the least effort though, because they're a company that wants to make money, so if they can get away with charging $5 every couple of months for some bog-standard fighting and re-skinned loot then they're going to. As long as everyone rushes to buy it and complainers get attacked by the "OMG it's only 5 bucks u whiners lol" crowd then it's not going to get any better.

[Jonny_Evil]

Klimy wrote...
Hehe, please dont get offended, but take it with a smile, just a thought went through my head:
most of the games in Sweden for XBox cost around 70$ and they are 4-5h long, some of them even shorter like Mini Ninjas (it was very cool btw, enjoyed playing with my kids). So this era is alread behind us now its 70$ for 5h, next stage 90$ for 5h game and even it is already almost here when you look at all that delux, super delux, super duper delux with cherry on top then they can go over 100$ 

I'm not familiar with Mini Ninjas mate, but most console games have tiny single player campaigns but very good multiplayer. The longevity of the game comes from the multiplayer, which is where a lot of the development time goes. I used MW2 without the multiplayer as an analogy for good reason, with the multiplayer it's well worth the money, without it it's a huge amount of money for 6 hours of shooting which you'll likely rarely replay.

DA is a singleplayer game, once you've paid for your DLC you can't go online and get hours of enjoyment from it, it's just over.

[Xeper84]

yea more game for your money that's what we all want. That's why I will be very patient with Return to ostagar.

but i really don't know a Rpg that i could play through in under 30 hours and please don't compare it to a shooter with a long rich mulitplayer.

But you're right @ the moment we're closing in to games as long as a film for example you can beat brutal legend in 5 hours. That's a game i would only rent....

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

Meneldhil wrote...

Tarynas wrote...

eastoreispos wrote...

Aside from them ****ting on their own storyline is the fact that all of their content to date has taken an average of 30 minutes to complete is what I'm saying. Words are hard so I summarized it up neatly for the rest of the forum visitors.

30 minutes is worth $5.00 to me.  And aside from that, Warden's Keep was a background on the wardens, and Stone Prisoner was an additional character with a separate backstory and quest.

The game has been out for what, 17 days?  And people are already screaming "Expansion!!!"

You people obviously do not even remotely understand what it takes to make a video game.  Try it sometime.

And for the love of god, drop your asinine sense of entitlement.  Game companies don't owe you anything but a working product you pay for.  If you don't want it, don't buy it.  It really is that simple.

I did work in a video game industry (Ubisoft Montpellier), and know what it takes to make a video game. You on the other hand apparently don't.
Nobody would be screaming expansion if Bioware wasn't releasing half-arsed, 1-hour long new content that should have been made part of a proper extansion rather than released in its current state.

And any company owes respect to its consummers. Hence why we're having this discussion.

Then you should be well aware how large budgets for sku's have gotten the last few years and how its far more profitable to go the DLC route than full fledged expansions. The core game is a good 60-80 hours, why some of you are in such an uproar about addtional content coming down the pipe fast and also feel that Bioware some how owes you something is beyond me.

I have no doubt you're prolly of the same core group that complained the loudest when Mass Effect 1 didn't get as much DLC as was initially planed as well. Its fairly obvious and easy to read between the lines and see which posters come off as the entitled crowd and which actually enjoy the titles Bioware produces and have no quams with supporting them by tossing a few dollars their way for additonal quests, items, background story etc.

[Klimy]

Congratulations to you all! Now its page 30! And we still didn't move an inch from where we started. To close this topic before it gets closed: there are lots of people here with both types of oppinion. So while we all here, lets try to come up with a balance situation that suits us all.



I think that DLC or Expansion do not really matter, because this is just a word for more or less same thing. But some long content with rich storry, new ideas (like not just items, but like blood magic and such) and with extended quests (maybe even chain of quests) for more money and that takes longer time to develop would be optimal for all of us?

[Xeper84]

I loved ME1 but i never buyed that dlc (the first was free anyway for pc)

[Legion-001]

NEW DLC ANNOUNCED - Known as Return to the place you previously left after watching an epic battle that you were not involved with!

In the all new DLC you can expect to engage in fearsome combat with... All the same monsters you've faced previously in an entirely old area with fancy new textures and old but re-textured weapons in a quest that should have really been in the game before it was released but we figure'd there are enough idiots out there to buy pieces of a game as opposed to the full and complete product... Damn don't we wish we'd thought of this with BG2 imagine all the money we could've made selling Trademeet, the Tethyr forest and other sections one at a time.

Anyway enjoy playing the entirely old area and fighting all the same monsters over again with the all old re-textured weapons.

[dearlyblvd]

Most of us here will buy ME2, (DA is very good but is not memorable IMHO, I belive the replay value is not as high as we believed at first), and will we play both games at the same time? I believe ME2 will completely outclass DA (as DA2 will outclass ME2)

I disagree. I doubt that Mass Effect 2 will take DA's place, it's a very different game. I enjoyed Mass Effect but Dragon Age Origins is much much much much better. For some reason I don't like much RPGs like ME or Fallout 3 (shooters-rpg). Yes, two those games were awesome for their time but I rather play a dark fantasy epic based on medieval weapons and magic like DA.

EDIT:
But I agree that DA doesn't have great replay value. I played 22 hours on my first playthrough, then I decided to restart the game. I chose the same origin, same class and skipped almost all the dialogues until I reached the same part that I was before. I played around 80 hours in this 2nd playthrough and I still didn't finish the game.

There is a lot of fun things to be done but I'm almost reaching the ending. I really love the game but sometimes I feel tired and just want to finish it. I'm not planning in making a 3rd playthrough. I might check the other origins in the future, but as soon as I finish the game I will take a long break.

Modifié par dearlyblvd, 20 novembre 2009 - 01:35 .

[Seraosha]

the_one_54321 wrote...

please develop an expansion. i am not paying for any DLC.

Didn't the game only just come out? And isn't an expansion just the same as DLC? Ultimately it's a means of earning more money from an existing property. Not that there's harm in that, it's nice to see a game's life extended by expansions and DLC.

Can I also say that some DLC can be excellent and really add to the game? For anyone who has ever seen Mehrune's Razor, you'll know what I mean. Don't be so cynical Dragon Age fans! =)

[Ziegler_von_strahn]

Pirate it.



I will not buy any DLC, and I dont care if it is 500 freaking hours for $.05

You people know nothing of standing on principle, they are doing this beacause you people buy it, if the customers would stand up and say a big FU and not buy it, this would stop. But that's the way of things, people are stupid and generally like getting screwed over, and EA is just the company to do it.

EA just purchased one of those companies that make the mafia war type games for facebook and stuff, becaue you idiots are too stupid to realize you are being nickle and dimed for more money than you would normally pay for the same amount of content if it was bundled in an expansion. Enjoy.

[Mossa_missa]

Sounds great. Cant wait, and $5 aint nothing. If I culd do a request, more light armor skins pleas ^^