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[VanDraegon]

Habelo wrote...

DLC should be illegal. Fooling kids to pay for scraps. wtf

Offering people the option of downloading extra content for a game for a fee should be illegal?  Ya know where it is illegal? Communist China, thats where!

[nisallik]

Microtransactions are fine just as long as the quality is worth it. Warden's Keep and Shale are well worth the cost and I expect Return to Ostagar will be no different.

[Survalli]

VanDraegon wrote...

Habelo wrote...

DLC should be illegal. Fooling kids to pay for scraps. wtf

Offering people the option of downloading extra content for a game for a fee should be illegal?  Ya know where it is illegal? Communist China, thats where!

hey Fanboi,

way to chop his post apart and try to redirect the meaning.  you know exactly what he is talking about...keep playing the fool.

[nisallik]

Survalli wrote...

hey Fanboi,

way to chop his post apart and try to redirect the meaning.  you know exactly what he is talking about...keep playing the fool.

Did you misquote someone?  As the post he quoted was the full message. ;p

[BardHarbinger]

Haexpane wrote...

BardHarbinger wrote...

I don't get how so many people can complain about new DLC without even playing it. Are you that jaded? I'm looking forward to it. I'm on my third playthrough and I'm still hooked on this game.

Yes they are that jaded, they' ll be here calling you a WoW n00b in no time.

Personally I have my issues w/ the way inventory and WK was handled. But it was well worth $7 IMO,I just wish they'd patch it so I can finish the side quests and use WK as a real camp.

New DLC I'm buying day 1, it's not like anyone else is even making a party based RPG to compete

I've never played WoW but I was a beta tester and TTLE for Dark Age of Camelot.  I see these two things (DA:O and MMOs) as entirely different beasts.  I have no problem paying for DLC.  I just think that if someone does have a problem with it they should just not buy it.  Monthly subscription fees are always greater than DLC costs.  Sure a MMO might have more content but doesn't an apple have more apple juice than an orange?  

[SuSuSudio]

Who knew there were so many damn socialists out there. Are you guys just jealous because your allowance didn't cover the extra episodes?



Would you rather DA:O got treated like the original Mass Effect, where those of us that LOVED the game had the same 3 missions to play through every time we went back to it?



Pretty lame attitudes in here - you guys feel like you didn't get your money's worth in the original game? Those are some flippin high standards you got there.

[Vroongel]

Lets put it in comparison - some of us played WoW for years and payed ~ $15 a month. DLC for 5$ every other month ? Sure…Heck, I'd buy 2 DLCs per month and it still will be cheaper then WoW

[VanDraegon]

Survalli wrote...

VanDraegon wrote...

Habelo wrote...

DLC should be illegal. Fooling kids to pay for scraps. wtf

Offering people the option of downloading extra content for a game for a fee should be illegal?  Ya know where it is illegal? Communist China, thats where!

hey Fanboi,

way to chop his post apart and try to redirect the meaning.  you know exactly what he is talking about...keep playing the fool.

It was a joke Einstein. lol How about you post the part of his reply that i cut out. He posted two very short sentences and a wtf, which i included in my post. 

Who is the fool again?

[Jackard]

nisallik wrote...

Microtransactions are fine just as long as the quality is worth it. Warden's Keep and Shale are well worth the cost and I expect Return to Ostagar will be no different.

ive literally heard nothing good about wardens keep but shale was pretty cool

[nisallik]

SuSuSudio wrote...

Who knew there were so many damn socialists out there. Are you guys just jealous because your allowance didn't cover the extra episodes?

Would you rather DA:O got treated like the original Mass Effect, where those of us that LOVED the game had the same 3 missions to play through every time we went back to it?

Pretty lame attitudes in here - you guys feel like you didn't get your money's worth in the original game? Those are some flippin high standards you got there.

Yes, it seems like people expect DA:O in length/price ratio for extra content.

So if BioWare released a 10 hour add-on and charged me $7, I should come to the forums and complain because I am not getting my dollars worth.

Modifié par nisallik, 20 novembre 2009 - 08:01 .

[Dnarris]

SuSuSudio wrote...

Who knew there were so many damn socialists out there. Are you guys just jealous because your allowance didn't cover the extra episodes?

Would you rather DA:O got treated like the original Mass Effect, where those of us that LOVED the game had the same 3 missions to play through every time we went back to it?

Pretty lame attitudes in here - you guys feel like you didn't get your money's worth in the original game? Those are some flippin high standards you got there.

I think everyone has actually agreed that the retail box has great value.

It's more of a positioning that the DLC isn't offering the same kind of value. In essence after purchasing the retail box the worth of your money has depreciated greatly based on the content offered by the DLC for the prices that are currently set.

It has nothing to do with socialism, which I think you know, and it has nothing to do with allowances. It has to do with expecting to receive monetary consideration as a consumer in this particular market.

[nisallik]

Jackard wrote...

nisallik wrote...

Microtransactions are fine just as long as the quality is worth it. Warden's Keep and Shale are well worth the cost and I expect Return to Ostagar will be no different.

ive literally heard nothing good about wardens keep but shale was pretty cool

Depends on who you ask.  If you enjoy the lore and story of the world, I wouldn't dare miss it.  Some people just consider these add-ons as just bonus equipment, so of course they will complain.

[VanDraegon]

nisallik wrote...

Jackard wrote...

nisallik wrote...

Microtransactions are fine just as long as the quality is worth it. Warden's Keep and Shale are well worth the cost and I expect Return to Ostagar will be no different.

ive literally heard nothing good about wardens keep but shale was pretty cool

Depends on who you ask.  If you enjoy the lore and story of the world, I wouldn't dare miss it.  Some people just consider these add-ons as just bonus equipment, so of course they will complain.

This.

WK adds some lore and history to the story that otherwise we wouldnt have seen. Yes, the run through the keep is a little short but not as horrible as is being complained about. You also get  a storage chest, merchant and blacksmith who can craft the Starfang weapon. I think the random encounter with the fallen meteor is part of WK as well.


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Still waiting for my good friend Survalli to come back and admit he messed up. lol

Modifié par VanDraegon, 20 novembre 2009 - 08:07 .

[the_one_54321]

nisallik wrote...

SuSuSudio wrote...

Who knew there were so many damn socialists out there. Are you guys just jealous because your allowance didn't cover the extra episodes?

Would you rather DA:O got treated like the original Mass Effect, where those of us that LOVED the game had the same 3 missions to play through every time we went back to it?

Pretty lame attitudes in here - you guys feel like you didn't get your money's worth in the original game? Those are some flippin high standards you got there.

Yes, it seems like people expect DA:O in length/price ratio for extra content.

So if BioWare released a 10 hour add-on and charged me $7, I should come to the forums and complain because I am not getting my dollars worth.

at least comparable. it's not a full length game, that's understandable, but then keep in mind that it doesnt have the development costs that come hand in hand with a full length game. all they really need is a few art people and some coders working with tools that have already been created.

DLC has been and is completely structured to be a massive cash cow. make all the claims of the developmental costs that you want. the cost to returns margin is miles and miles ahead of the regular game.

does this mean they should produce no new conent? absolutley not. but how about a fair amount of content for a fair price instead? how about an expansion with a 30 hour extra adventure, new items, new abilities and new spells for $40?

[Dnarris]

nisallik wrote...

Yes, it seems like people expect DA:O in length/price ratio for extra content.

So if BioWare released a 10 hour add-on and charged me $7, I should come to the forums and complain because I am not getting my monies worth.

Actually, Nisallik, a 10 hour add-on for $7 would be a very good purchase and would actually be closer to the pricing model that I think would be more respectful to the consumer. Especially with replay value of the game taken into consideration.

In the end it is, indeed, a consumer choice. However, the pricing of microtransactions are not a favorable purchase when taking any consideration for how much your currency is actually worth. I plan to wait for an expansion that will offer me more content for my money.

Am I disappointed that I will miss out of more content by not purchasing future DLC? Certainly. I think extra content is great. However, the pricing model doesn't fit what would be deemed a good consumer/supplier relationship. I won't end up paying an exorbant price for, eventually, an expansions worth of content. The value of your money should be a legiment concern for most people. 

Modifié par Dnarris, 20 novembre 2009 - 08:09 .

[the_one_54321]

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Modifié par the_one_54321, 20 novembre 2009 - 08:07 .

[Darak_dt]

This is one DLC I won't buy, the reason of it is not that I am against DLCs since some of them are worth every cent but that I feel it will launch a very dangerous trend for this particular game.



I explain, on exit the game was sold with as bonuses in all retail games where I reside The Stone Prisoner and the blood dragon armor. As I found a good deal on my game I decided to buy Warden's keep since the total price tag was still below a collector edition or downloadable edition. Now not a month after the game has been released there is a new DLC coming out and even if the price tag is low I feel like buying this one is giving the sign to Bioware that they can simply pump out DLCs as fast as they want whatever their content and people will still buy them which is something I can't accept as pumping DLCs out would mean they deliberately withdrew content from the game to artificially raise its price by later selling crumbs.



A DLC model where a game is published followed 3 to 6 months later by significant add-ons is something I can support, however the feeling I get from the way DLCs are currently handled is not of such a model.

[NErWOnek]

I'd rather go with 3 hours of adventure for 30$, this is the most we can get out of a dlc... anyway 5$ will get us what, another 45 minutes ? It's cool anyway, dao is a good game

[Dnarris]

Darak_dt wrote...

This is one DLC I won't buy, the reason of it is not that I am against DLCs since some of them are worth every cent but that I feel it will launch a very dangerous trend for this particular game.

I explain, on exit the game was sold with as bonuses in all retail games where I reside The Stone Prisoner and the blood dragon armor. As I found a good deal on my game I decided to buy Warden's keep since the total price tag was still below a collector edition or downloadable edition. Now not a month after the game has been released there is a new DLC coming out and even if the price tag is low I feel like buying this one is giving the sign to Bioware that they can simply pump out DLCs as fast as they want whatever their content and people will still buy them which is something I can't accept as pumping DLCs out would mean they deliberately withdrew content from the game to artificially raise its price by later selling crumbs.

A DLC model where a game is published followed 3 to 6 months later by significant add-ons is something I can support, however the feeling I get from the way DLCs are currently handled is not of such a model.

Unfortunately that is the true point of DLC. It isn't to "give" something to the consumer, but rather take something away from the consumer. They will continue to release small DLC with $5 to $15 price tags and will make millions of dollars off of it. In the end people will find they've spent (As an example) $100 for an expansion that should have cost them between $40 and $50.

As long as people continue to pay for it and don't realize or don't care about it then companies like EA will continue to nickle and dime their consumers. Which, I find to be an intelligent practice economically, but poor treatment of the consumer. Which, consumers should actually be concerned about.

[TearsoftheForest]

I'd like some content that I find a reasonable treasure hoard at the end. Come on Bioware, sell us some in game moo-lah haha (i'm serious) 

[Osena109]

wow i got xbox points to download wardens keap so i got left overpoints so ill pick this up i don't see the issue why people are complineing am pretty sure most of you bought those crapy add ons for elder scrolls 4 lol

[nisallik]

I was just getting technical, I know what you are saying though. BioWare has already stated that they plan for longer content further down the road. As of now, I'm guessing that the DLC team is creating things that were originally planned to be placed in the game but they didn't have time.



This will also give BioWare some revenue since they will have two DLC released before the holidays, so they are hoping to get closer out of the negatives (as I'm sure with so much time in development, DA:O has given BioWare/EA much debt). When they get to a point they feel comfortable with the money from base sales and DLC sales, I'll imagine they will start working on larger content to which everyone hopes to find from expansions.



Of course, I am just assuming this... so I could be way off. Either way, as long as the DLC has story, etc. to show me of Fereldan and the rest of Thedas... I will buy it and in the long run, it helps BioWare keep pumping out more content. ;p

[Vroongel]

Dnarris wrote...
Unfortunately that is the true point of DLC. It isn't to "give" something to the consumer, but rather take something away from the consumer. They will continue to release small DLC with $5 to $15 price tags and will make millions of dollars off of it. In the end people will find they've spent (As an example) 100 for an expansion that should have cost them between $40 and $50....

You are forgetting about "instant gratification" which is pretty big for many people - sure you can wait an year or 8 months for expansion or you can buy it in smaller pieces but without much wait. Yes, you will overpay in this case but many people want things "now" and agree to pay higher price.

[Delsynora]

mastorofpuppetz wrote...

sugasugaki wrote...

deathwing200 wrote...

It's $5. Skip your lunch (god knows, most of you need it) for one day and there you have it. No need to cry and ruin it for people who want more DLC.

On the contrary, sheep like you who waste their money on junk like this only further encourages them to make cruddy DLC. I'm guessing the ones that need to skip lunch are the mouthbreathers that foam at non-content like this.

How is it a waste if someone spends 5 bucks and gets  a few hour enjoyment? Please explain? who are u to tell someone they get value out of 5 whole dollars? get off the soap box idiot.

a few hours? are you joking, I think even taking my time the wardens keep took me like 30 or 40 minutes tops and it even costs more than this one. $5 just doesn't seem like a good trade off for what looks to be a very short snowy jont. Anyone know how long this thing takes?

[Survalli]

SuSuSudio wrote...

Who knew there were so many damn socialists out there. Are you guys just jealous because your allowance didn't cover the extra episodes?

Would you rather DA:O got treated like the original Mass Effect, where those of us that LOVED the game had the same 3 missions to play through every time we went back to it?

Pretty lame attitudes in here - you guys feel like you didn't get your money's worth in the original game? Those are some flippin high standards you got there.

you throw around Mass Effect DLC....we throw around  BG expansions...you cant compare the two..  reverse the allowance jab...we think its you Console Kids that love the DLC.