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[Qutayba]

The modding community is up and running, and I expect we'll see some great stuff being pumped out soon. On the one hand, it's nice to have some some additional content to play with until player mods reach critical mass. It's a good game, and I don't mind paying a little more to support their work and continued attention to the community. On the other hand, the competition from player mods will soon overshadow the money making potential of the DLC. The micro-transaction model (particularly at this steep price range) does feel a bit exploitative (Warden's Keep was worth 2 but not 7 dollars, Shale was free, and great as Shale is, I don't know if it would be worth $15, almost the price of a full expansion). But at least we have a vibrant forum where people will share their opinions to help us decide whether a given DLC is worth the investment. At least they're not charging $10 for a vanity pet (ahem).

[nisallik]

Survalli wrote...

you throw around Mass Effect DLC....we throw around  BG expansions...you cant compare the two..  reverse the allowance jab...we think its you Console Kids that love the DLC.

And what about the PC players?  I guess we are just sheep following the console players then?

[Habelo]

VanDraegon wrote...

Ziegler_von_strahn wrote...

Pirate it.

I will not buy any DLC, and I dont care if it is 500 freaking hours for $.05
You people know nothing of standing on principle, they are doing this beacause you people buy it, if the customers would stand up and say a big FU and not buy it, this would stop. But that's the way of things, people are stupid and generally like getting screwed over, and EA is just the company to do it.
EA just purchased one of those companies that make the mafia war type games for facebook and stuff, becaue you idiots are too stupid to realize you are being nickle and dimed for more money than you would normally pay for the same amount of content if it was bundled in an expansion. Enjoy.

You talk of standing on principle and  suggest stealing someone elses work?

rofl, douche.

"stealing" lol. If you stole software then you had to claim the software as your own.

[Magonian]

VanDraegon wrote...

Aprudena Gist wrote...

its not worth it just like warden's keep isn't worth it oh look a bunch of ****ing loot for money with any meaning or story yaaaa. Develop real content bio-ware like The Stone Prisioner DLC not more ****ty loot dungeons.

rofl. That didnt take long. Just how do you know it is not worth it? It says right in the description how it is tied to the story of the official campaign.

Jesus, some of you people are effing rediculous.

JESUS has nothing to do with this, Man if most of you spent a fraction of the time and passion you use on these boards praising Jesus instead how much greater your reward in Heaven, thats if your bound there, im sure most of you are not...hehee anyone give thanks today to your Lord?, no not DA...hehee


21“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

[Dnarris]

nisallik wrote...

I was just getting technical, I know what you are saying though. BioWare has already stated that they plan for longer content further down the road. As of now, I'm guessing that the DLC team is creating things that were originally planned to be placed in the game but they didn't have time.

This will also give BioWare some revenue since they will have two DLC released before the holidays, so they are hoping to get closer out of the negatives (as I'm sure with so much time in development, DA:O has given BioWare/EA much debt). When they get to a point they feel comfortable with the money from base sales and DLC sales, I'll imagine they will start working on larger content to which everyone hopes to find from expansions.

Of course, I am just assuming this... so I could be way off. Either way, as long as the DLC has story, etc. to show me of Fereldan and the rest of Thedas... I will buy it and in the long run, it helps BioWare keep pumping out more content. ;p

If the value of the DLC begins to even out I'd certainly end up purchasing some myself, however it is currently pretty skewed.

But you did bring up a point that bothers me the most about DLC and subsquently is when it is at its worst. When a company removes content or does not activate content that is currently or should currently be ingame and then charges for it as additional content. That goes back to my example of Sims 2 vs. Sims 3. That is certainly the point where I feel the consumer is being taken advantage of the most.

It's hard to judge what should have been ingame before when you have nothing to compare it to, but Sims 2 vs. Sims 3 was an easy comparison. However, I think with Ostagar it may be evident in the fact that it was an area that was currently in game, but was unexplorable. I certainly hope that isn't the case, however.

[nisallik]

Who is this Jesus? Must be some Qun philosophy. Heathen. ;p

[Dustangel0000]

Habelo wrote...

VanDraegon wrote...

Ziegler_von_strahn wrote...

Pirate it.

I will not buy any DLC, and I dont care if it is 500 freaking hours for $.05
You people know nothing of standing on principle, they are doing this beacause you people buy it, if the customers would stand up and say a big FU and not buy it, this would stop. But that's the way of things, people are stupid and generally like getting screwed over, and EA is just the company to do it.
EA just purchased one of those companies that make the mafia war type games for facebook and stuff, becaue you idiots are too stupid to realize you are being nickle and dimed for more money than you would normally pay for the same amount of content if it was bundled in an expansion. Enjoy.

You talk of standing on principle and  suggest stealing someone elses work?

rofl, douche.

"stealing" lol. If you stole software then you had to claim the software as your own.

I do not presume to know how they do things where you're from, but you do realize that it's traditional to pay people for work in most countries?
No matter how you wish to look upon it DLC = work = you have no right to expect people to do it, unless you offer a real incentive.

[VanDraegon]

Survalli wrote...

VanDraegon wrote...

Habelo wrote...

DLC should be illegal. Fooling kids to pay for scraps. wtf

Offering people the option of downloading extra content for a game for a fee should be illegal?  Ya know where it is illegal? Communist China, thats where!

hey Fanboi,

way to chop his post apart and try to redirect the meaning.  you know exactly what he is talking about...keep playing the fool.

Come on survalli, it isnt hard. Admit it, you screwed up here....

[Dnarris]

Dustangel0000 wrote...

I do not presume to know how they do things where you're from, but you do realize that it's traditional to pay people for work in most countries?
No matter how you wish to look upon it DLC = work = you have no right to expect people to do it, unless you offer a real incentive.

I agree.

While I don't agree with DLC pricing, I would never consider stealing an option as then it makes me no better than the idea that I am opposing. Regardless of independent views.

The pricing in no way justifies theft, even if you feel the pricing is unreasonable.

[TheMadCat]

phordicus wrote...

TheMadCat wrote...

Oh indeed everything I said is a guess, but a guess based upon facts nonetheless. Now if you'd like to hold an intellegent debate and challenge my claim feel free to start, if not then take your witty remarks and fine someone else to talk to.

then post the facts and let the readers draw their own conclusions.  no need for your posturing and 18th century rhetorical style.  i challenged your claim already.  post the source(s) your guesses are supposedly based on.

If you wanted me to post sources all you had to do was ask instead of making snide remarks.

Let's look at the cost to produce a few games AAA games. Crysis cost $22 million,  GTA 4 cost $70 million, wMW2 costs $40-$50 million and Grand Turismo has cost $60 million to date and is still in production, a great article from 9 years ago discussing cost and procedures nameing a few games such as Diablo 2 which costs $6-$9 million, A top 10 list of games with the largest budget, Nice tidbit here on costs.

As I said, $15 million for production costs alone is not unreasoable, in reality I probrably lowballed it by another $10 or so million, maybe more considering one of the articles I listed above mentioned Grand Turismo taking 5 years and costing that much, Dragon Age had another year or two on that. Next comes advertising. This is tricky stuff to find, but I went of this article which showed the huge difference between development costs and actual budgets for highly anticipated AAA titles, there was the top ten list I posted above and of course the new budget ****. Again MW2 which cost $40-$50 million to make in two years held an actual budget of $200 million. Advertising and promotions are the biggest sink here and Dragon Age had plenty of that, quite a few events every gaming website was and still is plastered with Dragon Age banners and ads as well as a few others, I've seen a ton of Dragon Age commercials including a few in primetime and during a few football games. I think a $60-$90 million budget is reasonable, again it may be lowballed a bit but as I said, reasonable numbers.

Next comes actual sales and profit. Lets use Mass Effect as the sale the compairson. In 3 weeks it sold a million and by the end of 2008 it had sold 1.6 million. We'll go with 2.5 million to add into account digital distrubtion sales and any more 2009 sales, a generous number. Sadly I haven't been able to find the article I used to determine the actual publisher profit per copy sold. It has many little variable that I won't dive deep into but it varies between $20-$40 per disk. I'll use $30 per, I rather be generous then stingy for this instance. That equates to $75m earned for the publisher.

So it we go by those estimates and gusses it took them two years to hit the middle of my estimated budget using generous numbers. Obviously everything I said could be completely off base, but I pulled out games that were made with somewhat similar sizes taking into accout a few other things, RPG's tend to be more expensive mostly due to the large amount of added personal, IE. voice actors (That's why Beth recycles). So yes, I  really do think Dragon Age itself will be sold at a loss, at least for a while and the real profit will come from DLC, Sequels, Expansions, ect. Satisfied?

Modifié par TheMadCat, 20 novembre 2009 - 09:09 .

[nisallik]

Dnarris wrote...

If the value of the DLC begins to even out I'd certainly end up purchasing some myself, however it is currently pretty skewed.

But you did bring up a point that bothers me the most about DLC and subsquently is when it is at its worst. When a company removes content or does not activate content that is currently or should currently be ingame and then charges for it as additional content. That goes back to my example of Sims 2 vs. Sims 3. That is certainly the point where I feel the consumer is being taken advantage of the most.

It's hard to judge what should have been ingame before when you have nothing to compare it to, but Sims 2 vs. Sims 3 was an easy comparison. However, I think with Ostagar it may be evident in the fact that it was an area that was currently in game, but was unexplorable. I certainly hope that isn't the case, however.

We may never know, I'll just stick with Bioware's word until they prove to me to believe otherwise. 

[Naminator236]

nisallik wrote...

SuSuSudio wrote...

Who knew there were so many damn socialists out there. Are you guys just jealous because your allowance didn't cover the extra episodes?

Would you rather DA:O got treated like the original Mass Effect, where those of us that LOVED the game had the same 3 missions to play through every time we went back to it?

Pretty lame attitudes in here - you guys feel like you didn't get your money's worth in the original game? Those are some flippin high standards you got there.

Yes, it seems like people expect DA:O in length/price ratio for extra content.

So if BioWare released a 10 hour add-on and charged me $7, I should come to the forums and complain because I am not getting my dollars worth.

Whats with all you people and making claims that we wouldn't be happy if we would get a lot of content for less money?

The problem is that it's the exact opposite! We don't get more content for our money, we dont even get a fraction of the content for out money!

I personally would be fine if this DLC would 3-5 hours long. But cmon, we all know that is not going to happen. We all know that this will be another 20-30 minute quest with some recolored models of loot.

I don't understand why is it so hard to understand that we just want quality content for our money. You DONT need compare the DLC to any MMO or MW2 or any other DLC from a different company(though I do find it hilarious how everyone so quick to point out the horse armor for Oblivion to make it look like this is a good DLC while trying to avoid mentioning Fallout 3 DLCs, because you know that that just makes DA:O DLCs look like **** in comparison) compare the value of the DLC to the value of Dragon Age. For 50-60$ you get so much, easily 80+ hours of content, 3 classes, many different companions and list goes on. While DLC charges you 5-7$ (thats 10% of the cost of the game) and gives you a 30 minute of content and some loot that was already in the original game in the first place, just with some different stats.

Great deal......................well for EA anyway.

Modifié par Naminator236, 20 novembre 2009 - 09:17 .

[Naminator236]

dp

Modifié par Naminator236, 20 novembre 2009 - 09:16 .

[Sevas88]

Generally I like to keep out of this, but I have to agree with people when they say that you guys are being incredibly whiny. You bought a game for $50, assuming you bought it on PC. AND if you bought it on PC you pretty much get all the DLC for free. So $50 for a great and long game, and now you want free stuff?

Let me tell you what I think is going on, the people whining so much about how unfair it is to them. I bet you guys torrented this game, so you didn't pay any money for it. And now there's parts of the game where you actually have to pay for and it pisses you off.

I don't know if this is what's up, but this seems like a good way to increase profits and keep games coming out on PC. Even people who torrented the game are now paying money for parts of the game, keeping the PC gaming industry alive. I could be wrong, maybe you really are just so spoiled in your life that you think you deserve everything for free. I don't know. Just my 2 cents

*edit* Also saying you're not getting your moneys worth from DLC compared to the game, price wise. Then don't buy it, that's why it's optional. For people who like the game and want to continue playing.  Do you actually expect them to go all out on DLC? When they have how many other games in development which might suffer? And might I add will make you whine more.

Modifié par Sevas88, 20 novembre 2009 - 09:09 .

[Charliff01]

Great deal......................well for EA anyway



Apparently not only for EA since the masses buy them. Don't like that though luck and enjoy the game without DLC since they arent needed to play the game. The moment you need to buy DLC to get through the game and finish it you might have a point.

[Ziegler_von_strahn]

VanDraegon wrote...

You talk of standing on principle and  suggest stealing someone elses work?

rofl, douche.

Just stating the obvious. They go with this model and people will pirate the stuff. I, personally, cant be bothered with the hassle. But even so, yeah, when dealing with thieves, dishonorable behaviour is oft required and warranted.

[TheMadCat]

Ziegler_von_strahn wrote...

VanDraegon wrote...

You talk of standing on principle and  suggest stealing someone elses work?

rofl, douche.

Just stating the obvious. They go with this model and people will pirate the stuff. I, personally, cant be bothered with the hassle. But even so, yeah, when dealing with thieves, dishonorable behaviour is oft required and warranted.

People will pirate stuff regardless of weather they go with this model or not, your point there is null. And exactly who are you to deteremine what is right and wrong, what is legal and illegal, what is honorable and dishonorable behaviour?

[Matthew20]

I know it's probably been said before but does DA really need more "plate" armor sets......



Probably thinking to far outside the box for the item design team but did you know that DA has no mage sets mages...



P.S.

Yes, I know they added Arcane warrior to mages class because they really really hate designing caster gear...

=-D

[marlowwe]

Ziegler_von_strahn wrote...

VanDraegon wrote...

You talk of standing on principle and  suggest stealing someone elses work?

rofl, douche.

Just stating the obvious. They go with this model and people will pirate the stuff. I, personally, cant be bothered with the hassle. But even so, yeah, when dealing with thieves, dishonorable behaviour is oft required and warranted.

Damn straight.

[Naminator236]

Sevas88 wrote...

Generally I like to keep out of this, but I have to agree with people when they say that you guys are being incredibly whiny. You bought a game for $50, assuming you bought it on PC. AND if you bought it on PC you pretty much get all the DLC for free. So $50 for a great and long game, and now you want free stuff?

Let me tell you what I think is going on, the people whining so much about how unfair it is to them. I bet you guys torrented this game, so you didn't pay any money for it. And now there's parts of the game where you actually have to pay for and it pisses you off.

I don't know if this is what's up, but this seems like a good way to increase profits and keep games coming out on PC. Even people who torrented the game are now paying money for parts of the game, keeping the PC gaming industry alive. I could be wrong, maybe you really are just so spoiled in your life that you think you deserve everything for free. I don't know. Just my 2 cents

*edit* Also saying you're not getting your moneys worth from DLC compared to the game, price wise. Then don't buy it, that's why it's optional. For people who like the game and want to continue playing.  Do you actually expect them to go all out on DLC? When they have how many other games in development which might suffer? And might I add will make you whine more.

I love posts like these.

Hello Mr. contradiction. I have bridge to sell you.

Modifié par Naminator236, 20 novembre 2009 - 09:29 .

[VanDraegon]

Ziegler_von_strahn wrote...

VanDraegon wrote...

You talk of standing on principle and  suggest stealing someone elses work?

rofl, douche.

Just stating the obvious. They go with this model and people will pirate the stuff. I, personally, cant be bothered with the hassle. But even so, yeah, when dealing with thieves, dishonorable behaviour is oft required and warranted.

That is completely rediculus. The only thief here is the ones pirating the work of others. Bioware didnt force a copy of DA into your hand then reach into your wallet for $50. You didnt that, supposedly, of your own free will.

You cannot justify theft  of a game as honorable.

Modifié par VanDraegon, 20 novembre 2009 - 09:38 .

[Dnarris]

Lowlander wrote...

Sevas88 wrote...
I don't know if this is what's up, but this seems like a good way to increase profits and keep games coming out on PC. Even people who torrented the game are now paying money for parts of the game, keeping the PC gaming industry alive. I could be wrong, maybe you really are just so spoiled in your life that you think you deserve everything for free. I don't know. Just my 2 cents

You seem somewhat mistaken about the power of DLC to stop piracy. The pirates have ALL the DLC in one big bundle for free.

Also I don't think I deserve everything for free, but do deserve value for money.

I lost the poll link but when I looked at it a number of people said the would buy the DLC  even if poor value/quality just to express support.  That is the most disheartening argument I have seen on these forums.

IMO that is completely the wrong message. If you give money for low value product, you encourage more low value product.

I would much rather they had a Donate button/Tip Jar on the page, so if people wanted to express extra appreciation, they do it that way, rather than encouraging low value product by buying them on principle.

On principle, don't buy low value product, so you don't encourage more low value product.

The problem with this is that many people cannot seperate economical value from personal value. Economical value is much easier to evaluate and set standards while personal value is impossible to set a standard for and nearly impossible to give a general evaluation.

The problem with personal value is that many people will not consider economical value or will ignore economical value for, as someone stated before, instant gratification or it is beyond their scope of view to do so.

Some people simply do not have a concern with how much their money is getting them as long as their getting something that will provide them with some sort of enjoyment no matter how brief. I won't place any labels or anything such as that beyond what I've already stated.

[Mistress9Nine]

Trajan60 wrote...

I'm just worried that the fact it's only $5 makes it even shorter than Warden's Keep. I hope I'm wrong.

This is my concern as well. I have no problem paying that 5 bucks for that extra content, but I wish they made some even longer DLCs even if it cost more. I'd be happy to pay around 10-15 bucs for a sidequest the lenght of...say Ostagar (Camp/Wilds/Tower) that'd be a pretty cool DLC.