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[Red-Cell]

It stopped being "optional" when basic features are sold as "optional extras", games broken down into DLC pieces to curb second hand sales, and of course CREATING this "optional" content while the game is being developed. Whereas before developers were creating full games, using all the resources available to turn out a master complete product to be sold it's not simply "Lead DLC producer" videos before the game is released talking about all of the "optional" stuff you can purchase before they even finished the game.



DLC and the bozos whom pay for it have forced into onto the people that don't want it. The Initial game has DLC incorporated from it's beginning breaking the content up so second hand sales are devalued from a consumer stand point and are not complete unless you buy more.



Like I said, gaming hasn't been as profitable as it is today than before. Games are breaking records every year. Publishers are breaking revnue records every year. Gamers are getting the shaft.

[ITSSEXYTIME]

Red-Cell wrote...

money money money

Games selling better than they ever had but developers can't feed their families or stay in business unless they charge you $7 for a storage chest

OH THE HUMANITY!

Your ignorance about how much it actually cost to make a game like this is astounding.

Please leave.

[Red-Cell]

ITSSEXYTIME wrote...

Red-Cell wrote...

money money money

Games selling better than they ever had but developers can't feed their families or stay in business unless they charge you $7 for a storage chest

OH THE HUMANITY!

Your ignorance about how much it actually cost to make a game like this is astounding.

Please leave.

Actually you're the ignorant one

The cost of actually developing games hasn't increased as much as the marketing costs that trump what goes into the games 2 to 3 times.

Start reading you might learn something instead of believing all the BS that's portrayed.

http://games.venture...re-engineering/

[deathbeast793]

Look Red-Cell obviously you don't like the DLC, well thats fine but don't make fun of the people that do, I like DLC, I just won't buy it immediatly, but anyways if you don't like it then don't complain and carry on and be a jerk.
I will admit that its odd to release a game with DLC made, but I weren't they working on this game for 6 years ( I could be wrong, dont be a jerk becuase I am), if so then it makes sense. Computer  things change very rapidly and that means that they might not have been able to throw this stuff in there too. Their only options may have been to make it DLC or don't have it at all. I don't know about you, but I would prefer to at least have the stuff.

Modifié par deathbeast793, 21 novembre 2009 - 01:49 .

[TRIP6969]

Skellimancer wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

please develop an expansion. i am not paying for any DLC.

this.

agreed !!

[LenaMarie]

ITSSEXYTIME wrote...

LenaMarie wrote...

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The 'masses' are brain dead sheep, without the ability to think for themselves. No one is arguing the base game was not great, it was. The problem is the DLCs are crappy obviously pumped out for extra cash. When they start making DLC thats up to the value and quality of the base game people would stop complaining. The brain dead fanboys arent helping this though, you keep supporting crap, you'll only ever end up with crap. I cant understand the mentality where less for more is good, can anyone truely be that stupid?

If no one buys the DLC at all, they don't go "Hey, let's spend more money and more resources to make a bigger DLC".  Their pricing model is structured for $5, $7 and $15 DLC's, being that this is their first DLC it's $5 but what the **** makes you think they don't have bigger stuff in the works?  Bigger stuff takes time, this small stuff they can put out every month or so and put out the big stuff every 6 months.  If you don't care for the small stuff, then don't buy it.  Personally, I'm intent on getting the full Dragon Age experience. I  bought the Digital Deluxe Edition for that very reason, and I'll buy any DLC they throw my way (unless it's absolutely revolting) because I love the game and I want to support it.

The base game was such great value for the money, to **** about the cheap as **** DLC is mind-numbingly stupid.

DLC is pure profit for the devs, by buying it you are supporting the developers directly.  That is how expansion packs and sequels get made, DLC is not designed a replacement for expansion packs. (Unless you're bethesda, the only other RPG to use a DLC model extensively)

Its easy. Mass Effect. It suffered from Garbage DLC.  Im not complaining about DLC itself, Im complaining because I want better DLC, that matches the great experience the base game gives. Warden's Keep itself was blatant false advertising. It was advertised as a base of Operations, and the in-game dialouge did nothing but encorage it. In the end all you end up is with 2 merchants and a chest. You cant even go back in the keep. Moreover it was 20 minutes without skipping dialogue. 

Its a sad day when people actively defend such crap and dont want things to improve.  Then claim people dont support the game because they dont want to be buy poor quality stuff.  If you even have a job, Go to work and do a bad job. See how quickly you end up fired or severely reprimanded. This is the ONLY Industry that people support medoicore work.

[TheMadCat]

Red-Cell wrote...

ITSSEXYTIME wrote...

Red-Cell wrote...

money money money

Games selling better than they ever had but developers can't feed their families or stay in business unless they charge you $7 for a storage chest

OH THE HUMANITY!

Your ignorance about how much it actually cost to make a game like this is astounding.

Please leave.

Actually you're the ignorant one

The cost of actually developing games hasn't increased as much as the marketing costs that trump what goes into the games 2 to 3 times.

Start reading you might learn something instead of believing all the BS that's portrayed.

http://games.venture...re-engineering/

Both have jumped up an an unbelieveable rate, advertisement more so because the audience has become more casual and detached thus there needs to be a way to bring them in the loop. Look at some of the articles I posted a page or two back, a $100m budget for a franschise AAA title which is what Dragon Age is is not that uncommon anymore, MW2 just doubled that number where as 10 years ago developers were lucky if they got $10m to work with total. Development costs have also skyrocketed, it's not uncommon for a large title to cost $15-$20 even upwards towards $40-$50 million dollars to produce. Times and costs have chaged greatly across the board.

Modifié par TheMadCat, 21 novembre 2009 - 01:59 .

[deathbeast793]

Exactly, and yet it is people like this that sue companies for stupid reasons.

[VeeVito]

TheMadCat wrote...

Can people please stop bringing up these BG expansion packs. If you're going to talk economics realize it is not feasible to do today what they were able to do back in the late 90's for the same level of cost. Full voiced dialogue, 3D animations, added 3D models, much for detailed lighting and effects just to name a few things. The time, money, and manpower needed to make a 30 hour expansion for BG 2 is at most an 1/8th of what it would take to make a 30 hour expansion these days.

Why do you think the expansion pack is pretty much becoming extinct? What used to be a great cash ins for companies just isn't worth it in terms of production cost vs. profit. What expansions do come out are 95% of the time stand-alones which is just the original game with a few added items, units, new buildings depending on the genre maybe and a new campaign that lasts a couple of hours.

You're pretty much talking BS. 3D is common these days, and as much of an "expense" for devs as infinity was at the time. Whatever the tech is at the time used to make games is just as costly. That's a lame excuse especially given a company that has the kind of money here. The time needed for people trained to use the infinity engine to produce something is no different than the time needed for trained 3D designers in this day and age. It most likely is faster. The tools are different. That's all. As a matter of fact, tools generally evolve to require "less" effort and manhours, not more. Trust me.

You have a point about the voice acting, i'll grant you that. But only if oyu are recruiting top voicers.

As for recent expansions?..well, i'd say it's more a commentary on quality than a commentary on profitablility. You release crap, you make crap in profits. Stop the "it's a new age" crap. If expansions that are just failures because of "just a few addons and items with new buildings", then why would a DLC with even less be more successful? Unless it's nothing more than a veil.

[Kevin Lynch]

Since this thread has gone the same direction as other threads, into debating DLC for...a long time...I'm going to lock this one up and point people to Rob's post on the subject (now stickied at the top of the forum). Keep it to questions about the new DLC specifically, though, and don't go off on tangents.



If you want to discuss DLC in general, please head off to Off Topic.