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[VeeVito]

ITSSEXYTIME wrote...

VeeVito wrote...

Pretty shrewd new gaming business model... Take the game you have, chop out as much as you can without doing too much damage to the original. Then sell the original for full price. And then sell what you chopped out in bits and increments every few weeks for $5-$10. Steady "after launch" money flow for content that could have been in the original.

Brilliant actually.

Oh ffs the only content you can argue was cut from the maingame was Stone Prisoner, because it was.  The DLC team picked it up off the cutting room floor and polished it up in time for release.  Warden's Keep and Return to Ostagar are both structured as DLC, the way they are implemented in the game and the content itself screams "designed for premium sale".  

oh ffs (am I doing it right?) How do you know? I don't even care if it was cut or not. It is shrewd man, shrewd.

Business is cut throat and this is one example. Who cares though? I don't. Businesses offer product, I buy or not.
Get your panties unbunches princess.

[the_one_54321]

Ryukahn wrote...
 Why can't you guys just voice your opinions without name calling and insults?

i dont know. for some reason whenever you say that you think DLC is a bad idea and you wont buy it, other people imediately start calling you whiny, and complainers, and all manner of other unpleasant things. after a while it gets kind of hard not to respond.

[Jiggasaurus]

Good stuff, would rather not prejudge what I think will be in the content of this patch over a small paragraph of information and three screenies like some seem to be doing, quite surprised at the moaners considering its an optional chocie as to whether you purchase or not, seriously nobodies forcing you to buy this.

[maestro74]

The Shale DLC was great, Warden's Keep was fun but the trick they pulled with not letting you back in means I will wait for other people to play this DLC before I buy. If they continue to release DLC, I will continue to pick and choose but if they continue doing the same as Warden's, I'll just sit out. Just my 2 bronze pieces.

[BackwardCompatibility]

I'm so disapointed. Did I really wait for that? I was somehow expecting this, but my only wish was that it would be for something else. Anything else.
I don't care about DLCs of that kind. Ostagar may be an essential part, but it's more of an element of the ''past''. It is content that should have been included from the start, not thereafter. DLC should feel as a supplement, not a matter of going back on your tracks. If you want to go back, though, call it a patch... Having finished the game, I am ready for a continuity (or a flashback) but nothing less.
Also, if I compare it to Shale's content, it would theorically be three times smaller (15$ versus 5$). If it was free, I would give a try at content of that size, but maybe I would even wait anyways, since I played a lot at the game since it is out and I now have returned to my other interests. In any case, I believe it's not about the money that I can complain about, but rather on the relevancy of adding so little content.
Offering a real expansion, something that will replenish the game, and it will be profitable to take the time to go over the universe again and do an Xth walkthrough (that is over 6). However, if it's less than two hours of gameplay, how is that supposed to be exciting when it's engulfed into the rest of a vast and rich world?
Even though I would like to be heard and read, if anybody sees this, I would be a bit surprised since it's only one post well burried under 22 other pages (and probably more)...
(NEW POST): That was before it got locked down by the moderator in the other thread

Modifié par BackwardCompatibility, 19 novembre 2009 - 06:35 .

[VeeVito]

BGFU888 wrote...

VeeVito wrote...

Pretty shrewd new gaming business model... Take the game you have, chop out as much as you can without doing too much damage to the original. Then sell the original for full price. And then sell what you chopped out in bits and increments every few weeks for $5-$10. Steady "after launch" money flow for content that could have been in the original.

Brilliant actually.

I don't think this is what is going on here, I truely believe Bioware designed and delivered a complete package. It is just as complete as Baldur's Gate 2 was in my opinion. (I am, honestly, still partial to BG2).

Nonetheless, if companies did conduct business this way and it worked, well... good on them. If you offer something for sale and people buy it, nothing wrong with that.

Absolutely, I offered no opinion as to whether I thought ut was good or bad, just shrewd.

[VanDraegon]

Ryukahn wrote...
, if they keep this up, you might end up paying ~$50 for like 6-10 hours of gameplay, and I don't want to support that model at this time .

Take Modern Warfare 2 as an example.  It is already happening. $60 and a 4 hour single player campaign. It seems the single player aspect of these has been getting shorter and shorter as each new game came out. Never bought MW1 but Wolrd at War was pretty damn short too.I have loved that series since the first one but draw the line at this game now. While i enjoy some online fragging now and then, i am more of a single player campaign gamer.

[Rasputin-2]

dan107 wrote...

I guess I'll reserve judgment for now, but at first glance this seem like yet another pointless side quest that goes nowhere and has nothing to do with the main story. The game had too many of those as it is IMO. If that's what it turns out to be, I'm not sure if I'd download it for free, let alone pay for it.

If it doesn't advance the plot, what's the point?

Not everything has to be "plot" oriented. I like the ability to do side quests, it fleshes the world out.

[ranspi]

I'm a sad panda, and I hate that new economic ****, sell an hour of gameplay for abused price (for DAO standards).





People will spit on me, kick me everywhere while I'm agonishing on the floor. I can't help but express myself, sorry happy DLC boarders.





This is absolutly outraging, I'll wait for a real addon or a sequel, but I won't buy an hour of gameplay 5€.





Now I'm doomed, fanboys will get me :'(





ps : I LOVE the game, really

[Tennmuerti]

Ryukahn wrote...

It's pretty funny reading all of the insults that each side is tossing around. Why can't you guys just voice your opinions without name calling and insults?

I really don't like this trend of having several DLC available shortly after launch, and I think they are trying to milk things already, but that doesn't mean I'm going to insult people that feel it's a worthwhile purchase. As others have said, if they keep this up, you might end up paying ~$50 for like 6-10 hours of gameplay, and I don't want to support that model at this time. If things change and the DLC becomes better or cheaper, then obviously I will re-evaluate my position.

QFT
My thoughts exactly.

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

the_one_54321 wrote...

mastorofpuppetz wrote...
How is it a waste if someone spends 5 bucks and gets  a few hour enjoyment? Please explain? who are u to tell someone they get value out of 5 whole dollars? get off the soap box idiot.

how many times are you going to say this before they are done? how many "just $5" are there going to be before you start adding up how much money you're spending it, and compare it to what you'd spend on an expansion that would actualy come with a box and a disk and maybe a map/poster or something similar? 

there is an old saying about a frog in a pot of boiling water.....

So don't buy any DLC, end of story, either that or get off the soap box and stop whining about it already. Should enough funds come from the puchase of DLC it may help to convince the suits at EA to green light a full fledged expansion or sequel and personally I'd find no issues with that at all.

[Damar Stiehl]

What beats the hell out of me is that nobody thinks that Blizzard or NCSoft or other MMO companies are heartless bastards for charging $15 a month for:



- No new story (sure, MMOs get new content, but rarely do you get something every single month).

- No new items.

- Constant buff/nerf cycle - if you rock today, you will surely suck tomorrow.

- Social aspect that boils down to "OMG I JUST RAPED U N00B U SUK" and "LFG".



...and, if you don't like it and stop paying $15 a month, you cannot play the core game.



But suddenly an optional $5 DLC that gives you new stuff and doesn't prevent you from playing the core game if you decide not to buy it is the end of the world and Bioware is Satan's left nut.

[the_one_54321]

[quote][quote]VeeVito wrote...
Nonetheless, if companies did conduct business this way and it worked, well... good on them. If you offer something for sale and people buy it, nothing wrong with that.[/quote]

Absolutely, I offered no opinion as to whether I thought ut was good or bad, just shrewd.[/quote][/quote]

i have to disagree. i think that companies should offer what is fair, whether or not they are capable of getting more should they try. companies that reach for more than is their due should not be supported, and that is why i do not buy DLC, regardless of whether or not the content was well made. it's a matter of volume vs price. the price may be low, but the volume still does not justify it.

a shrewd consumer would look at this and then decide to spend their dime elsewhere.

Modifié par the_one_54321, 19 novembre 2009 - 06:42 .

[ZDPhoenix]

Aprudena Gist wrote...

its not worth it just like warden's keep isn't worth it oh look a bunch of ****ing loot for money with any meaning or story yaaaa. Develop real content bio-ware like The Stone Prisioner DLC not more ****ty loot dungeons.

Some of us like Loot Dungeons.

But I agree on Warden's Keep not being worth $7 to me.

If it has Duncan returning as heavily tainted (as was hinted to, with what happens when wardens are on their way out the door) then I'll consider it worth it.

[Harbringerr]

Like I've said before -- my $5 is an investment in Bioware and could turn out to be the fuel that powers an expansion.

And can someone tell me why people are complaining that this DLC should be cheaper for what you get or it should be longer or is a waste because it's a loot drop with no story content? What are you basing this upon?

Modifié par Harbringerr, 19 novembre 2009 - 06:41 .

[BGFU888]

Le_Mieux wrote...

mastorofpuppetz wrote...


No real gamer stops gaming because of optional DLC, please.

No, but many of us old hats are starting to give up the ghost because there isn't really any story to be had.

You pay 5$, get a retextured sword,  and some armour with maybe a half-hour dungeon walk through.  If you're lucky maybe some closure as to what happened to Duncan.

This, in itself is not really that bad of a deal.  It's 5$...I spend more than that on apples in a week.  The issue here is that it's not new content.  It's extrapolated content. 

The Yahtzee review rang true to me, he called me on exactly what I did.  I created a Human Noble, played through the game...then played the 5 other origins and was done.  There's no appreciable difference to the game to warrant playing the same storyline 6 times in a row.  And there's no real incentive either.  There aren't 'good' or 'evil' ways to play through the game either...just right and wrong.  The game makes it painfully clear which direction is right and which is wrong.  Those aren't choices, Bioware, those are problems.  Choices are ambiguous with no clear right or wrong answer.  As in, have a banana or have an apple.  Problems are what you present us with...with an obviously right and wrong answer.  In example the Arl Eamon bit.  There are three ways to handle it, but the third is the painfully 'correct' answer.  It takes the bite out of the decision.  There is no choice...it's just a problem to be solved.

Anyway...I digress.

Just because you unfold a hidden corner of a map, doesn't make it new.  It's just information that existed, but you didn't know.

New content would be exactly that...new...a progression of the storyline.  Not an extrapolation of the existing one.

I'm not sure if we should ever expect something like that in a DLC. If they are going to push the storyline further in new ways that seems teh territory of an expansion or sequel. DLC seems to me more for little extra things, more background etc, like you said, unfolding a corner of the map. If that doesn't interest you, that's cool, it won't interest everyone.

Personally, I've been playing through the game in it's entirety as an elf mage and a city elf warrior. I'll probably go human noble next. It may not seem like a huge difference to you, but I find even all the subtle dialogue changes very interesting between the different origins.

Of course, I'll also happily play through the exact same story multiple times as well....

[Rylor Tormtor]

the_one_54321 wrote...

mastorofpuppetz wrote...

It's 5 bucks, and teams working on DLC are seperate from teams working on patches.

so, how about they work on an expansion instead? i dont want any DLC.

I want more DLC. Mostly because it will make you unhappy.

[Papahet31]

I understand the need to voice opinions and a community forum does seem like as good a place as any to voice them. However, if folks are really bent out of shape regarding the worth/worthless concept of DLC, writing a letter to Bioware or EA is the way to go.



Coming on to a community forum, expressing your opinion and then spending an hour insulting folks who may share a different opinion will not solve anything. If enough folks express their concerns through proper channels, perhaps things may change.

[DLC On The Disc]

Looks like more Mass Effect style DLC. I'm glad they went back to the old pricing.

[the_one_54321]

VanDraegon wrote...

Ryukahn wrote...
, if they keep this up, you might end up paying ~$50 for like 6-10 hours of gameplay, and I don't want to support that model at this time .

Take Modern Warfare 2 as an example.  It is already happening. $60 and a 4 hour single player campaign.

see that is exactly what i am worried about right there. MW2 turned out to be complete and utter [cow pies] as a AAA game, in terms of content and pricing. i wanted to get that game, but there is no way in hell im going to do it now, and all those millions that did? well IW should have included a great big red "SUCKER" stamp along with the game.

[ST0NERPUNK]

It seems you can't win no matter what you do. You either have a forum full of angry people because there isn't enough DLC, or you have a forum full of angry people because you have too much DLC.



Personally, I'm stoked about returning to Ostagar to slaughter droves of Darkspawn. Day one buy.

[mastorofpuppetz]

VanDraegon wrote...

Ryukahn wrote...
, if they keep this up, you might end up paying ~$50 for like 6-10 hours of gameplay, and I don't want to support that model at this time .

Take Modern Warfare 2 as an example.  It is already happening. $60 and a 4 hour single player campaign. It seems the single player aspect of these has been getting shorter and shorter as each new game came out. Never bought MW1 but Wolrd at War was pretty damn short too.I have loved that series since the first one but draw the line at this game now. While i enjoy some online fragging now and then, i am more of a single player campaign gamer.

??? As  a single player gamer, you should know COD has become mainly an online shooter, apples and oranges. DA is a long, deep SP game.  Has nothing to do with DLC, COD SP has gone down hill years ago, they tailor the game to kids for mindless online instant gratification now.

[andaryth]

Yay for new DLC =)

[Hylan Dronta]

VeeVito wrote...

Pretty shrewd new gaming business model... Take the game you have, chop out as much as you can without doing too much damage to the original. Then sell the original for full price. And then sell what you chopped out in bits and increments every few weeks for $5-$10. Steady "after launch" money flow for content that could have been in the original.

Brilliant actually.

Such a pessimist.

I so far own all DLC and wil continue to get it.  The original game (with out doing the DLC) I had clocked in at around 83 hours.  And I did some side quests, but I missed several.
If you like DAO and want BW to continue making more games, I suggest supporting their DLC, which gives them smalll bursts of income to keep proceeding with development.  I think this assertion that some of you guys have is ridiculous.   They cut things from the game?  Are you insane?  Name another game (besides BG II) that has around 80+ hours of fun in the original.    There are a few, yes, but most RPGs nowadays you are lucky to squeeze out half that time., and most of the ones you do are - in my opinion - quite far from fun except, of course, DAO.

[mastorofpuppetz]

Did someone reference the yhatzee review? LMAO, that is purely toungue and cheek, he rags on every game, it is meant as comedy, LMAO. There is a big difference playign as a different character and making different choices, just from my party alone, let alone how others see me and different quests.