Thoughts on DA2 now that over a month has passed since we've finished it...
#1
Posté 10 mai 2011 - 03:48
Has DA2 grown fonder in your mind or does the memory of it hurt more with each passing day?
#2
Posté 10 mai 2011 - 03:51
Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 10 mai 2011 - 03:56 .
#3
Posté 10 mai 2011 - 03:52
#4
Posté 10 mai 2011 - 03:53
#5
Posté 10 mai 2011 - 03:55
#6
Posté 10 mai 2011 - 03:58
#7
Posté 10 mai 2011 - 04:04
#8
Posté 10 mai 2011 - 04:05
Oh, but what could be.
#9
Posté 10 mai 2011 - 04:06
#10
Guest_Alistairlover94_*
Posté 10 mai 2011 - 04:18
Guest_Alistairlover94_*
Stippling wrote...
It's never been a "bad" game. First playthrough felt as if it was lacking. My second felt much better now that I knew what to expect. I'd say it's grown on me. Anyone who says its a purely terrible game is either talking by Bioware standards or is still raging because they're so disappointed.
And why shouldn't we have standards? BioWare has set the bar pretty high for WRPGs(BG Saga, KOTOR, JE, ME, Origins). But wih this game, they performed a limbo under that bar. "How low can you go?"
DA2. That's how low. Is it unfair of me to compare DA2 to Origins? I don't think so, since it is Origins' successor.
Is it unfair of me to compare DA2 to BG2. Again, I don't think so. Since the DA franchise is supposed to be the spiritual succesor to the BG Saga, according to Dr. Ray Muzyka(or was it Dr. Greg Zeschuk?)
In short, when compared to BioWare's previous efforts, DA2 is a pretty mediocre game(IMPO).
#11
Guest_Alistairlover94_*
Posté 10 mai 2011 - 04:18
Guest_Alistairlover94_*
Stippling wrote...
It's never been a "bad" game. First playthrough felt as if it was lacking. My second felt much better now that I knew what to expect. I'd say it's grown on me. Anyone who says its a purely terrible game is either talking by Bioware standards or is still raging because they're so disappointed.
And why shouldn't we have standards? BioWare has set the bar pretty high for WRPGs(BG Saga, KOTOR, JE, ME, Origins). But wih this game, they performed a limbo under that bar. "How low can you go?"
DA2. That's how low. Is it unfair of me to compare DA2 to Origins? I don't think so, since it is Origins' successor.
Is it unfair of me to compare DA2 to BG2. Again, I don't think so. Since the DA franchise is supposed to be the spiritual succesor to the BG Saga, according to Dr. Ray Muzyka(or was it Dr. Greg Zeschuk?)
In short, when compared to BioWare's previous efforts, DA2 is a pretty mediocre game(IMPO).
#12
Posté 10 mai 2011 - 04:20
#13
Posté 10 mai 2011 - 04:24
Modifié par SirLogical, 10 mai 2011 - 04:24 .
#14
Posté 10 mai 2011 - 04:34
And no it is not a horrible, terrible game by any stretch. It is just meh.
Okay I have to switch, after writing what could have been, and reading what could have been by Kilshrek, it does hurt more. DAMMIT!!! I guess I'm not as over it as I thought.
Modifié par erynnar, 10 mai 2011 - 04:40 .
#15
Guest_Alistairlover94_*
Posté 10 mai 2011 - 04:36
Guest_Alistairlover94_*
erynnar wrote...
I just finished my 2nd playthrough, so maybe I am not far enough out. But just like game itself...the good things (characters, battle animations, skill trees, good parts of the story) are more growing more fond in my mind. The things I found immersion breaking, or meh don't hurt more. But what does hurt more is seeing the epic potential that the story (yes I loved the concept) and the game itself and knowing what could have been.
This. Except i'm still kinda butthhurt over the bad stuff.
#16
Posté 10 mai 2011 - 04:37
#17
Posté 10 mai 2011 - 04:41
Alistairlover94 wrote...
erynnar wrote...
I just finished my 2nd playthrough, so maybe I am not far enough out. But just like game itself...the good things (characters, battle animations, skill trees, good parts of the story) are more growing more fond in my mind. The things I found immersion breaking, or meh don't hurt more. But what does hurt more is seeing the epic potential that the story (yes I loved the concept) and the game itself and knowing what could have been.
This. Except i'm still kinda butthhurt over the bad stuff.
*HUG* Yeah, I am still too, after posting this.
#18
Posté 10 mai 2011 - 04:42
And my butt hurt is mainly due to taco bell.
Modifié par neppakyo, 10 mai 2011 - 04:42 .
#19
Posté 10 mai 2011 - 04:42
First time the lackings bothered me, but the novelty factor kept me in it.
Second time I wanted to do something different with my sister (spoiled) and not help Anders. No changes.
Third time I was really annoyed with the whole thing but wanted to see the mages ending and try out the mage class. No changes if you sided with templars.
I went back to it a couple of weeks after it, and thought, okay not SO bad, maybe I overreacted.
Then I couldn't get past Act 1, FedEx quests, repeated areas killed it.
Then I played Origins again. For the 10th time. And I swear I saw some new stuff and took some new routes to get to the end.
It felt real, visceral and gritty and (to me it looked like) it was a game done with passion and love and amazing attention to detail.
After that, just playing the intro on DA2 seemed like a big fat joke.
The "AWESOMENESS" killed it. Without even getting deeper into it (beaten to death on these forums).
My like of my DA2 "pros" stayed the same.
My dislike of my "cons" immensely increased.
I don't think I'll be playing it again, unless a complete makeover happens.
(for reference, I play ANY good games on and off to repeat them... From RPGs like BG series, PST or Origins, and half shooter/half RPGs like ME/ME2, to Interactive movies like Uncharted 1 and 2 and strategies like Total War, WC3 etc, etc.
I don't think I'll be playing DA2 again cos IMO it's just not a good game. In any genre.
Sadly, once the novelty wore off, all I saw was a bad game.
And by BW standards, a horrible one.)
Honestly, the RPG experience DA2 gave me was more akin to WoW and Rift (not even the original Everquest) than a quality single-player RPG.
And if Witcher 2 can deliver, even with a fixed character, IMO that's just another notch to games done with dedication and passion (like Origins was IMO).
Modifié par Corto81, 10 mai 2011 - 04:46 .
#20
Guest_Alistairlover94_*
Posté 10 mai 2011 - 04:43
Guest_Alistairlover94_*
neppakyo wrote...
Opinion hasn't changed. Haven't played it since the 2nd week it came out. Been playing Divinty II: EKS, The Witcher, STALKER: CoP, and some Planescape: Torment.
Same games i've been playing. Except for Divinity 2 and STALKER. BTW, nepp, are you looking forward to Deus Ex: Human Revolution and The Witcher 2?
#21
Posté 10 mai 2011 - 04:50
Alistairlover94 wrote...
neppakyo wrote...
Opinion hasn't changed. Haven't played it since the 2nd week it came out. Been playing Divinty II: EKS, The Witcher, STALKER: CoP, and some Planescape: Torment.
Same games i've been playing. Except for Divinity 2 and STALKER. BTW, nepp, are you looking forward to Deus Ex: Human Revolution and The Witcher 2?
Yes I am, I haven't played Deus Ex since the original.
Quite looking forward to TW2!
#22
Posté 10 mai 2011 - 04:56
Corto81 wrote...
I played through it 3 times.
First time the lackings bothered me, but the novelty factor kept me in it.
Second time I wanted to do something different with my sister (spoiled) and not help Anders. No changes.
Third time I was really annoyed with the whole thing but wanted to see the mages ending and try out the mage class. No changes if you sided with templars.
I went back to it a couple of weeks after it, and thought, okay not SO bad, maybe I overreacted.
Then I couldn't get past Act 1, FedEx quests, repeated areas killed it.
Then I played Origins again. For the 10th time. And I swear I saw some new stuff and took some new routes to get to the end.
It felt real, visceral and gritty and (to me it looked like) it was a game done with passion and love and amazing attention to detail.
After that, just playing the intro on DA2 seemed like a big fat joke.
The "AWESOMENESS" killed it. Without even getting deeper into it (beaten to death on these forums).
My like of my DA2 "pros" stayed the same.
My dislike of my "cons" immensely increased.
I don't think I'll be playing it again, unless a complete makeover happens.
(for reference, I play ANY good games on and off to repeat them... From RPGs like BG series, PST or Origins, and half shooter/half RPGs like ME/ME2, to Interactive movies like Uncharted 1 and 2 and strategies like Total War, WC3 etc, etc.
I don't think I'll be playing DA2 again cos IMO it's just not a good game. In any genre.
Sadly, once the novelty wore off, all I saw was a bad game.
And by BW standards, a horrible one.)
Honestly, the RPG experience DA2 gave me was more akin to WoW and Rift (not even the original Everquest) than a quality single-player RPG.
And if Witcher 2 can deliver, even with a fixed character, IMO that's just another notch to games done with dedication and passion (like Origins was IMO).
I too love to replay games I enjoyed, over and over ( I read fav books over and over too
#23
Posté 10 mai 2011 - 05:00
I've never played WoW so I can't compare. I played DA:O at least four or five times through and enjoyed it as well.
DA2 stands on it's own merits.
#24
Posté 10 mai 2011 - 05:05
Modifié par Zanallen, 10 mai 2011 - 05:05 .
#25
Posté 10 mai 2011 - 05:08
-The characters were excellent.
- The over arching story was pretty damn good.
- The graphics were pretty nice.
- Some of the combat tweaks were good, such as how sustained abilities now work.
- Crafting is much, much better with the new system.
- The dialogue and party banter was fantastic.
The Negative:
- The lack of decisions, or decisions that actually had consequences was appalling, especially considering the advertisement to suggest they would actually make a difference.
- I don't appreciate being treated like a moron; having "Talk to X companion" as a quest, and being the only way to actually talk to them is unbelievably stupid.
- The finale (last hour) was extremely disappointing, largely due to my first negative point.
- Wave combat is dull, repetitive, and in most cases, nonsensical.
- Re-used levels are acceptable to a degree, but not the extent which they did with this game.
- If you give the game a voiced character in an RPG, then never have them utter a word the player doesn't make them say, it kills immersion and realism.
- The amount of bugs was unacceptable for a release and especially for a Triple A game.
Overall it's an enjoyable game, but it changed too much that didn't need changing, treated the players like idiots, and was falsely adverstised in several areas.
I have played it twice, was going through it a third time to finish off the previously bugged achievements and recieved a corrupted save file and have not touched it since, and don't have much desire to, it pissed me off too much.
Modifié par Machines Are Us, 10 mai 2011 - 05:10 .





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