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[Mr. Gogeta34]

It's obvious that the "Paragon" choices are the "win buttons" of the series. That's just how it goes. The absolute best scenario will likely play out on the Paragon side, no matter how realistic a decision seems.

When you don't know what to do... go blue. It's the best "solve this" button available and it doesn't matter how the odds are stacked. Not a bad thing because it makes metagaming easy for players who want to see the best possible ending.

That said, just play the game according to the way your Shepard is and enjoy the ride. You should know by now that the Mass Effect universe favors decisions that are as ideal to a just and merciful/save-all-life hero as possible (which means that paragon players are not required to truly make a sacrificial choice, the cutscenes take care of that).

Despite that, Renegades will still be able to win, and likely without as much help... which arguably makes them the more powerful of the two Shepard types.

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 11 mai 2011 - 02:50 .

[DAT ASARI]

I think many people are woefully underestimating the consequences of their actions through the games. Mass Effect 3 will bring consequences for all those decisions, good or bad.

But to OP: It's kind of interesting reading your post. The Illusive Man totally snowed you. And that's not a knock on you, that just means you got really into the game and believed his hype. It's not a bad thing. It's amazing that games can illicit such visceral responses from us.

This is from a guy who grew up on Sonic the Hedgehog and Metroid NES. Excitebike FTW

[DAT ASARI]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

That said, just play the game according to the way your Shepard is and enjoy the ride.

I agree with this - but I don't like thinking of Paragon as the winning side.  It's just one way to play the game.

I feel like a total winner with my Renegades even though I will likely bring destruction to the human race. When I'm a renegade character I could give a **** less about the human race!! I just want to whoop ass and anyone who gets in my way gets a bullet to the head..

I hope you get to punch that reporter one more time in 3.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

I personally fully expected to have to destroy Cerberus and I still kept the base.

And absolutely DAT ASARI, Paragons aren't the "only" winning side.  They'll just have the full-rainbow ending.  The Renegades will also win, they just won't have the happiest ending (though they will have the arguably coolest and most emotionally gripping ending if you view it from a "Shepard won without as many resources or allies/against all odds" angle.

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 11 mai 2011 - 02:55 .

[88mphSlayer]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

It's obvious that the "Paragon" choices are the "win buttons" of the series. That's just how it goes. The absolute best scenario will likely play out on the Paragon side, no matter how realistic a decision seems.

When you don't know what to do... go blue. It's the best "solve this" button available and it doesn't matter how the odds are stacked. Not a bad thing because it makes metagaming easy for players who want to see the best possible ending.

That said, just play the game according to the way your Shepard is and enjoy the ride. You should know by now that the Mass Effect universe favors decisions that are as ideal to a just and merciful/save-all-life hero as possible (which means that paragon players are not required to truly make a sacrificial choice, the cutscenes take care of that).

Despite that, Renegades will still be able to win, and likely without as much help... which arguably makes them the more powerful of the two Shepard types.

paragon is the "awesome" button of the Mass Effect trilogy as it were... 

[DAT ASARI]

lol Yeah slayer, and Renegade is the "Jack Bauer" button of the trilogy! Haha

[Labrev]

Maybe, maybe not. IMO they'll be fair about it and will have pros/cons for both.

Destroy: Cerberus not as effective at stopping Reapers, but easier to hunt down
Keep: Cerberus helps deal some damage to Reapers, but a pain in the arse when they come after you.

If anything, I feel like paragons will get punished a bit more. I stand by my decision to destroy it though.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

lol yes to both (awesome and Jack Bauer), though I'd say:

Paragon is the "American Hero" of the trilogy while Renegade is the "Greek Hero" of the trilogy

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 11 mai 2011 - 03:04 .

[Ultai]

At this point I can only just sigh and hope the decision amounts to nothing more than maybe an email or something.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

For the record, I don't feel like I've been slapped in the face by Cerberus coming after Shepard. It was bound to happen and won't save them. But when it comes to dealing with the Reapers, we need every advantage we can get.

[Seboist]

Saphra Deden wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

They can't even follow their own canon. In Retribution, Cerberus pretty much gets wiped out by Anderson, Sanders, and a turian task force. Then in ME3, which takes place like what a few months later, Cerberus has a fleet and a private army again? WTF?

Somebody needs to muzzle Mac Walters. This guy is out of control. 

I forgot about that. After Retribution Cerberus should be too short on manpower to be a heavy hitter. They'd be even more reliant on Shepard than they were in ME2.

Don't worry, they'll end up with more Dreadnoughts and troops than anybody else come time to fight Shepard.

[lovgreno]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

lol yes to both (awesome and Jack Bauer), though I'd say:

Paragon is the "American Hero" of the trilogy while Renegade is the "Greek Hero" of the trilogy

Now that could be the inspiration for some interesting endings.

In any case I am not the owner or writer of Shepards story so I won't whine if things don't go the way I prefered. I'm just one of many potential buyers and if BioWare thinks the story in ME3 will make two persons buy the game at the cost of losing my money I fully understand and support that decision.

In short, the ME3 world is not about my preferences, it's about BioWares and EAs 1012 budget. I'm totaly okay with this.

[DAT ASARI]

lovgreno wrote...

In any case I am not the owner or writer of Shepards story so I won't whine if things don't go the way I prefered. I'm just one of many potential buyers and if BioWare thinks the story in ME3 will make two persons buy the game at the cost of losing my money I fully understand and support that decision.

Seriously!  It's a story.  You just happen to get to make certain choices, but you're not the god of the entire universe.  Certain things are destined to happen either way.  Roll with the punches.  If you think you can write a better story, then go make a better video game.  

Not to say that people shouldn't express their opinions, but some of the stuff in here is a little "WTF " with the zany complaints and pigeonholing of the games.  

[Dean_the_Young]

lovgreno wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

lol yes to both (awesome and Jack Bauer), though I'd say:

Paragon is the "American Hero" of the trilogy while Renegade is the "Greek Hero" of the trilogy

Now that could be the inspiration for some interesting endings.

In any case I am not the owner or writer of Shepards story so I won't whine if things don't go the way I prefered. I'm just one of many potential buyers and if BioWare thinks the story in ME3 will make two persons buy the game at the cost of losing my money I fully understand and support that decision.

In short, the ME3 world is not about my preferences, it's about BioWares and EAs 1012 budget. I'm totaly okay with this.

I more or less agree with this. If something doesn't go my way... well, I'd like to believe that any complaints I'd have are more about the quality of handling than personal affront about not having everything go my way. I'd probably be more annoyed if not doing Legion's Loyalty Mission/selling Legion got waved away with a 'the Heretics were destroyed anyway' than I would be about any particular choice backfiring.

I've no real issue with the concept of Cerberus being antagonistic again, so long as it's well handled... and by well handled, I mean there's an intelligent reason (perhaps based on secrete knowledge, perhaps based on unclear intent) for why Cerberus is against Shepard. 'We think Shepard makes a bettery rallying figure alive than dead' would be somewhat acceptable: 'we love the Reapers' would not.

[Peer of the Empire]

If you've given the base to Cerberus you've indeed been helping Cerberus.
The only people saying Cerberus is the enemy are Cerberus's enemies.

[lovgreno]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

I've no real issue with the concept of Cerberus being antagonistic again, so long as it's well handled... and by well handled, I mean there's an intelligent reason (perhaps based on secrete knowledge, perhaps based on unclear intent) for why Cerberus is against Shepard. 'We think Shepard makes a bettery rallying figure alive than dead' would be somewhat acceptable: 'we love the Reapers' would not.

Yes, I'm also curious about how the writers will handle Cerberus being bad guys again (But I still think that they never intended them to be anything else, even in ME2). It does seems like it have the potential both for a realy good and a realy bad story.

But even if TIMmy and Cerberus have the potential to be great (and sadly also realy tacky) villains I think their role in ME3 will be rather minor. I think the main role of villains will, and should, be held by the reapers.

[Someone With Mass]

kiti.the.great wrote...

I don't care about neither Ashley nor Kaidan and I don't want VS in my squad in ME3, but my HATRED is reserved for Tali.

Wow, you're like Elite Midget. Horribly predictable.

How about you contribute anything to the discussion?

Like:
Wait until we have some actual info before y'all start whining like it's the end of the world.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 11 mai 2011 - 07:23 .

[Quole]

Someone With Mass wrote...

kiti.the.great wrote...

I don't care about neither Ashley nor Kaidan and I don't want VS in my squad in ME3, but my HATRED is reserved for Tali.

Wow, you're like Elite Midget. Horribly predictable.

How about you contribute anything to the discussion?

Like:
Wait until we have some actual info before y'all start whining like it's the end of the world.

Dont feed the troll.

[Jonathan Shepard]

Walker White wrote...

Perfect-Kenshin wrote...

Seriously? I didn't blow up the collecters base, thinking that it was going to be a good decision given that the technology could be used to better mankind and better understand how to take out the Reapers, only to now learn that it''s just going to  be make antagonists stronger in Mass Effect 3. What the hell, Bioware. If you intended to PUNISH players who made a certain decision, why even allow us to make that decision at all?

Did you not talk to all of your teammates after the suicide mission?  They all tell you it was a bad idea.  Even Miranda, Jacob, and Grunt.  I took that as a hint this was a bad decision.

But that's metagaming. And really, having an awesome Mass Effect experience where being logical doesn't hurt you would be great. Saving the base is the smart- if not safe- thing to do. We shouldn't have to metagame something like this where it's kind of obvious what the logical decision is, and then in the next game, have someone who spent a fortune to Jesus-ify Shepard turn around and kill him.

It doesn't make sense.

So why should the players be punished for illogical game/story design?

[CroGamer002]

Also I'd like to say that Martin Sheen, VA of Illusive Man, said he wouldn't trust him.


So, Illusive Man doesn't trust Illusive Man.
lol

[Someone With Mass]

Mesina2 wrote...

Also I'd like to say that Martin Sheen, VA of Illusive Man, said he wouldn't trust him.


So, Illusive Man doesn't trust Illusive Man.
lol

Split personality, much?

[kiti.the.great]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Wow, you're like Elite Midget. Horribly predictable.

How about you contribute anything to the discussion?

Like:
Wait until we have some actual info before y'all start whining like it's the end of the world.

Or maybe like: "f**cking idiot", "go choke on TIM's balls" and so on?
I tried to explain my point of view but you have to keep barking because it's not YOUR point of view. So go on and insult me once more, Jonathan boy

And Elite Midget is a little too extreme even for me. You know, those butthurts, it was fun but heeey.

Modifié par kiti.the.great, 11 mai 2011 - 11:53 .

[Someone With Mass]

kiti.the.great wrote...

Or maybe like: "f**cking idiot", "go choke on TIM's balls" and so on?
I tried to explain my point of view but you have to keep barking because it's not YOUR point of view. So go on and insult me once more, Jonathan boy

And Elite Midget is a little too extreme even for me. You know, those butthurts, it was fun but heeey.

Your point of view? All I saw from you was pathetic and very childish character bashing.

You know what? I'm actually glad Renegades are getting the short stick, because judging by this forum, the majority of them are nothing but douchebags that whines over something that hasn't even been confirmed yet.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 11 mai 2011 - 12:08 .