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[kiti.the.great]

Seboist wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Seboist wrote...
Is your love of Tali the culprit behind your anti-Cerberus bigotry?

Nope, that's just good old fashioned Cerberus incompitence. 

Cerberus revived Shepard and led the victory against the Collectors. You need to show some respect son.

Love, you're wrong, Alliance could wipe out Collectors with no sweat! Too bad they didn't do anything to defeat them. But it's aaaaaaaaallll Cerberus fault.

[Moiaussi]

kiti.the.great wrote...

Love, you're wrong, Alliance could wipe out Collectors with no sweat! Too bad they didn't do anything to defeat them. But it's aaaaaaaaallll Cerberus fault.

Cerberus conceiled evidence every chance they got. It is much easier to be the savior when you hobble everyone else just to make yourself look more heroic when you save them.

[LeVaughnX]

(ignore this and refer to my message below)

Modifié par LeVaughnX, 11 mai 2011 - 05:47 .

[Myalzalean]

aimlessgun wrote...

Let's look at exactly what all this furor is over.

I: ME2 end, cerberus enemies in ME3, punishing renegades?
CH: not
punishing but you will see different results of that, as TIM obviously
benefits from that resource, but it doesn't punish renegades, it just
means some end-scenarious may be different or harder to get.

From the summary of the recent Hudson interview.

Wow. Clearly this means that renegades will be screwed. Yup.

Actually I interpret this to mean that if you made renegade choices throughout your career then it will be harder for you to get a paragon end-scenario than it will be for you to get the renegade end-scenario.

How exactly would that be screwing you over ? Unless that means you are making the assumption that the paragon end-scenario is somehow more desireable than the renegade end-scenario. So far the devs have said the end-game scenarios would only be different, not better one way or the other.

It doesn't make sense to spend your career making renegade choices and expect to have the same end of game scenarios as someone who spent three games making paragon choices.

Personally I'm taking the same approach for ME3 as I did with DA:O, just on a larger scale. I plan on importing at least 6 ME2 playthroughs with different choices on each character just to see as many differences as I can between each playthrough.

edit - correct typos

Modifié par Myalzalean, 11 mai 2011 - 05:44 .

[kiti.the.great]

Moiaussi wrote...

Cerberus conceiled evidence every chance they got. It is much easier to be the savior when you hobble everyone else just to make yourself look more heroic when you save them.

And it's so easy to simply do nothing beside sending one and only VS to Horizon just to caught Cerberus agents red-handed and capture them, not to eliminate the threat.

[LeVaughnX]

Let me just post my two cents on a now "flame thread" if nothing else...

1.) Paragons have to go through crap on occasion to; but you don't see most of us complaining. We just take the choices in stride; like how we can't "Nicely" put a knife through someones throat - that wouldn't be realistic so our choices are bent towards trying to better the situation if possible. Negotiations >> Shoot everything you don't like. Regardless its just an opinion and some people play based on how they would react in real life - and considering I have an opinion and the right to an opinion I have an equal right to disregard the opinions of the massive number of trolls here who have no validity other than pushing a personal issue (which is basically Cerberus in a nut shell).

2.) In Mass Effect 1 - from the beginning - you saw that Cerberus was a screwed up group of racist trash; similar to the KKK but unfortunitely smarter. They not only killed aliens but humans as well; doing god knows what kind of experiments on them. So if you didn't get the clue that Cerberus is messed up in the head - you need to accept the fact that you're working for and ENJOY a genocidal community of racists who will turn on each other for the soul purpose of bettering their little corporation nothing more.

3.) For people complaining about ME3 - it isn't out yet so quit whining about it. If Cerberus is at your throats for being a paragon - theres a clear reason why. If you're a sick minded individual (Renegade) then clearly there's a problem yes; but not really if you're open minded...Cerberus (if you are a Renegade) had the technology now to be on some level with or not greater than the collectors correct? They have near unlimited resources and can manipulate every other corporation out there for the most part...Now if you're basically one of the "largest" and most "organized" of the groups in the universe; you start to believe your own hype - thus meaning you'll feel more powerful than anyone and you'll just go into a spiral of self-absorbtion. During this time you may feel that you are supporting the wrong group - considering Humanity doesn't give a flip about the Reapers and apparently no one else does - why would you still defend that which you see isn't caring about themselves?

Plain and simple - Cerberus is looking out for their own ass saying ""Humanity is screwed, so lets be the screw driver!"". It happens in real life - and it happens in the beautiful world of Mass Effect.

/topic
/thread

Stop flaming please it's immature.

[Seboist]

How the hell was Cerberus the "KKK" in ME1? All we knew is that they were some Alliance black ops group who had some vague scheme to create a "super soldier".

[Moiaussi]

kiti.the.great wrote...

Moiaussi wrote...

Cerberus conceiled evidence every chance they got. It is much easier to be the savior when you hobble everyone else just to make yourself look more heroic when you save them.

And it's so easy to simply do nothing beside sending one and only VS to Horizon just to caught Cerberus agents red-handed and capture them, not to eliminate the threat.

The VS wasn't 'doing nothing' there though. The Guardian system was enough to drive the collectors off. Cerberus didn't send any more than the Alliance did, really. A single stealth frigate which the Alliance might not even had a chance to replace yet, which didn't engage the collector cruiser either, actually, other than by way of the gun the Alliance provided.

The Normandy didn't take so much as a pot shot at the wounded cruiser.

Cerberus had an advantage in that they had Mordin and got to Freedom's Progress quick enough to get one of the drones. How were they able to get there fast enough? Did they supress a distress signal then as they did later and/or have insider knowledge as to when the attack was going to happen?

[Myalzalean]

Seboist wrote...

How the hell was Cerberus the "KKK" in ME1? All we knew is that they were some Alliance black ops group who had some vague scheme to create a "super soldier".

And liked experimenting on Alliance Marines (Corporal Toombs), assassinating Alliance officers (Admiral Kohoku), using rachni as a weapon (Depot Sigma-23), and cultivating thorian creepers (Binthu base)

[Seboist]

Myalzalean wrote...

Seboist wrote...

How the hell was Cerberus the "KKK" in ME1? All we knew is that they were some Alliance black ops group who had some vague scheme to create a "super soldier".

And liked experimenting on Alliance Marines (Corporal Toombs), assassinating Alliance officers (Admiral Kohoku), using rachni as a weapon (Depot Sigma-23), and cultivating thorian creepers (Binthu base)

What's the big deal about that?

[Moiaussi]

Myalzalean wrote...

Actually I interpret this to mean that if you made renegade choices throughout your career then it will be harder for you to get a paragon end-scenario than it will be for you to get the renegade end-scenario.

All that really does is confirm that instead of the dynamic game we were promised after ME1, we have gotten a game with only cosmetic differences until the epilogue, far less than originally promised.

[Someone With Mass]

Seboist wrote...

What's the big deal about that?

Yeah, let's kill some more Alliance admirals. It's not like they're in short supply or anything.

[Seboist]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Seboist wrote...

What's the big deal about that?

Yeah, let's kill some more Alliance admirals. It's not like they're in short supply or anything.

Kahoku stepped out of line. He was told by top Alliance brass to back off and he still continued with his personal crusade and even enlisted the help of an alien information hustler to get classified intel.

The only thing "wrong" about the situation is that Cerberus didn't hire my Shepard to deal with that son of a ****.

[Myalzalean]

Seboist wrote...

Myalzalean wrote...

Seboist wrote...

How the hell was Cerberus the "KKK" in ME1? All we knew is that they were some Alliance black ops group who had some vague scheme to create a "super soldier".

And liked experimenting on Alliance Marines (Corporal Toombs), assassinating Alliance officers (Admiral Kohoku), using rachni as a weapon (Depot Sigma-23), and cultivating thorian creepers (Binthu base)

What's the big deal about that?

Just saying we knew quite a bit more about Cerberus in ME1 than just a vague super soldier project.

I found it quite improbable that if  Shepard had the Sole Survivor background that he would cozy up to Cerberus so easily. Especially knowing they were involved in the Thresher Maw attack on Akuze that resulted in about 50 fellow marines being massacred and experimentation on any other survivors

[kiti.the.great]

Moiaussi wrote...

The VS wasn't 'doing nothing' there though. The Guardian system was enough to drive the collectors off.

Yes, and it worked perfectly fine before Shepard arrived...
I need to remind you that those GARDIAN turrets were DISABLED, couldn't be correctly calibrated until EDI figured them out.
So yes, helluva help from Alliance. Thanks.

Cerberus didn't send any more than the Alliance did, really.

No, just ultimate-power-squad along with probably the most advanced AI in game.

A single stealth frigate which the Alliance might not even had a chance to replace yet, which didn't engage the collector cruiser either, actually, other than by way of the gun the Alliance provided. The Normandy didn't take so much as a pot shot at the wounded cruiser.

Yesss, Alliance provided useless and uncallibrated guns. Smart move. I guess the Normandy's most dangerous weapon is our beloved EDI and guess what - that small victory on Horizon was her job.

Cerberus had an advantage in that they had Mordin and got to Freedom's Progress quick enough to get one of the drones. How were they able to get there fast enough? Did they supress a distress signal then as they did later and/or have insider knowledge as to when the attack was going to happen?

Cerberus intel is pretty impressive, I guess.

Modifié par kiti.the.great, 11 mai 2011 - 06:25 .

[Seboist]

Myalzalean wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Myalzalean wrote...

Seboist wrote...

How the hell was Cerberus the "KKK" in ME1? All we knew is that they were some Alliance black ops group who had some vague scheme to create a "super soldier".

And liked experimenting on Alliance Marines (Corporal Toombs), assassinating Alliance officers (Admiral Kohoku), using rachni as a weapon (Depot Sigma-23), and cultivating thorian creepers (Binthu base)

What's the big deal about that?

Just saying we knew quite a bit more about Cerberus in ME1 than just a vague super soldier project.

I found it quite improbable that if  Shepard had the Sole Survivor background that he would cozy up to Cerberus so easily. Especially knowing they were involved in the Thresher Maw attack on Akuze that resulted in about 50 fellow marines being massacred and experimentation on any other survivors

All that was tied to their "super soldier" project AFAIK. Hard to say though, they never followed up on it in ME2.

[LeVaughnX]

Seboist wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Seboist wrote...

What's the big deal about that?

Yeah, let's kill some more Alliance admirals. It's not like they're in short supply or anything.

Kahoku stepped out of line. He was told by top Alliance brass to back off and he still continued with his personal crusade and even enlisted the help of an alien information hustler to get classified intel.

The only thing "wrong" about the situation is that Cerberus didn't hire my Shepard to deal with that son of a ****.

See I would hope that in real life you don't honestly believe in things like this.

Cerberus is the "xenophobic" "pro-human" group who willingly killed "thousands" if not "millions" of its own people. Cerberus is compairable to the KKK or Hitlers Army because they claim to be "pro human" but instead they go around and kill "everything". Majority of the soldiers, engineers, workers in general who work for Cerberus don't realize it most-likely; where as the higher ups know and accept this because they just don't care - its more power for them.

Sure the Alliance isn't the greatest (personally my Paragon Shep would flip them all the bird for being stupid) but honestly Cerberus isn't pro anything but themselves! They killed "Alliance Officals" and tried to even kill Anderson a few times; regardless if you try to justify it you can't ignore the fact that a PRO HUMAN GROUP JUST HUNTED DOWN HUMANS! They are no better than the Collect...wait a second..Maybe thats why the "VS" was under cover?...To see if Cerberus OR the Reapers would come after him/her! Because clearly they are more ignorant than Shepard - so they would be a perfect slave for Cerberus!!!

Anyway ignoring my random ranting; you guys need to face the facts...You're backing a genocidal group of terrorists who did only three good things -- Give us EDI / Revive the Normandy / Revive Shepard. Beyond that - they are still murderering terrorists.

[Someone With Mass]

Seboist wrote...
Kahoku stepped out of line. He was told by top Alliance brass to back off and he still continued with his personal crusade and even enlisted the help of an alien information hustler to get classified intel.

The only thing "wrong" about the situation is that Cerberus didn't hire my Shepard to deal with that son of a ****.

Killing admirals is still illegal.

Should I kill Hackett because he didn't do something to help me in ME2? 

No, because that would put me at ExtremeOne's level.

[Dave of Canada]

People seem to take immoral as evil.

[kiti.the.great]

In Kasumi's loyality mission we have a small hint that Alliance is also involved with some nasty things. But probably this little greybox thing will be perfectly ignored in ME3.

[Someone With Mass]

Dave of Canada wrote...

People seem to take immoral as evil.

That's because being immoral usually involves evil things.

[Seboist]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Seboist wrote...
Kahoku stepped out of line. He was told by top Alliance brass to back off and he still continued with his personal crusade and even enlisted the help of an alien information hustler to get classified intel.

The only thing "wrong" about the situation is that Cerberus didn't hire my Shepard to deal with that son of a ****.

Killing admirals is still illegal.

Should I kill Hackett because he didn't do something to help me in ME2? 

No, because that would put me at ExtremeOne's level.

Kahoku was guilty of treason and that's punishable by death.

[LeVaughnX]

kiti.the.great wrote...

In Kasumi's loyality mission we have a small hint that Alliance is also involved with some nasty things. But probably this little greybox thing will be perfectly ignored in ME3.

I swear you people are like religious folk - instead of trying to have a conversation about the flaw in your logic you have to try and assault ours after we willingly admit to flaws.

I'm outta this thread - too many idiots.

[kiti.the.great]

However, Anderson is also a traitor to Alliance. But OF COURSE he won't be punished, guuueeeesss whhhyyyy.

[88mphSlayer]

Cerberus wasn't even all that unique in ME1, they were basically another Exo Geni or Binary Helix

the only real difference was they were a side quest instead of part of the main quest