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[Someone With Mass]

LeVaughnX wrote...

I swear you people are like religious folk - instead of trying to have a conversation about the flaw in your logic you have to try and assault ours after we willingly admit to flaws.

I'm outta this thread - too many idiots.

True that.

[Sarcastic Tasha]

I've always thought of Cerberus as being Mass Effect's version of Section 31 (Star Trek DS9). They do the things that the Alliance can't or isn't willing to do. Cerberus certainly doesn't commit hate crimes, TIM recommended aliens for Shepard's squad.
I hope there's gonna be a good explanation for why Cerberus is after Shepard, because if you save the base there really is no reason for TIM to be pissed.
Of all the renegade choices saving the Collectors' base seemed to have the most potential for being useful to Shep so having it bite her in the arse would be a tad annoying for me (even my paragon Shep kept it, damn my scientific curiosity)

[Myalzalean]

I wasn't insinuating the Alliance is without fault given the incident on Luna (yes, that was an AI Admiral Hackett you liar), sponsored assassination sending renegade Shep to "negotiate" with Lord Darius, loading probes with nukes, and taking over the council completely in some instances.

I was just pointing out that Cerberus seems to be pretty anti-Alliance whereas the Alliance has no love for Cerberus and Shepard keeps somehow winding up in the middle.

[ExtremeOne]

LeVaughnX wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Seboist wrote...

What's the big deal about that?

Yeah, let's kill some more Alliance admirals. It's not like they're in short supply or anything.

Kahoku stepped out of line. He was told by top Alliance brass to back off and he still continued with his personal crusade and even enlisted the help of an alien information hustler to get classified intel.

The only thing "wrong" about the situation is that Cerberus didn't hire my Shepard to deal with that son of a ****.

See I would hope that in real life you don't honestly believe in things like this.

Cerberus is the "xenophobic" "pro-human" group who willingly killed "thousands" if not "millions" of its own people. Cerberus is compairable to the KKK or Hitlers Army because they claim to be "pro human" but instead they go around and kill "everything". Majority of the soldiers, engineers, workers in general who work for Cerberus don't realize it most-likely; where as the higher ups know and accept this because they just don't care - its more power for them.

Sure the Alliance isn't the greatest (personally my Paragon Shep would flip them all the bird for being stupid) but honestly Cerberus isn't pro anything but themselves! They killed "Alliance Officals" and tried to even kill Anderson a few times; regardless if you try to justify it you can't ignore the fact that a PRO HUMAN GROUP JUST HUNTED DOWN HUMANS! They are no better than the Collect...wait a second..Maybe thats why the "VS" was under cover?...To see if Cerberus OR the Reapers would come after him/her! Because clearly they are more ignorant than Shepard - so they would be a perfect slave for Cerberus!!!

Anyway ignoring my random ranting; you guys need to face the facts...You're backing a genocidal group of terrorists who did only three good things -- Give us EDI / Revive the Normandy / Revive Shepard. Beyond that - they are still murderering terrorists.

   



well the dam alliance is a bunch of alien loving bastards. Hackett was sad the batarians died in the arrival dlc.  You know what you paragon players can talk the same sh*t  you been talking but guess what Cerberus saved humanity in 2 not the alliance . I know where my loyalities lie and Jessica and Anakin Shepard are Cerberus Soldiers . who have one sole enemy and that is the alliance and paragons 

[kiti.the.great]

LeVaughnX wrote...

I swear you people are like religious folk - instead of trying to have a conversation about the flaw in your logic you have to try and assault ours after we willingly admit to flaws.

I'm outta this thread - too many idiots.

Eheh, funny thing , but you just described your logic - "ADMIT THAT CERBERUS IS EVIL OR I'LL CALL YOU AN IDIOT"
Be my guest, hunny.

[Moiaussi]

kiti.the.great wrote...

Yes, and it worked perfectly fine before Shepard arrived...
I need to remind you that those GARDIAN turrets were DISABLED, couldn't be correctly calibrated until EDI figured them out.
So yes, helluva help from Alliance. Thanks.

Which didn't exactly take much longer to get working, did they? They were all but set up, and keep in mind that the VS had the settlers breathing down their neck, whereas Shepard had EDI do all the calibrating remotely.

No, just ultimate-power-squad along with probably the most advanced AI in game.

Shepard is there because TIM set him up and framed him as being a traitor. Again, Cerberus was stacking the deck in their favour regardless of risk to anyone else. Calibrating the weapon is something that wouldn't normally need an AI for. That is a pretty routine task, something a VI should be able to handle just fine.

Yesss, Alliance provided useless and uncallibrated guns. Smart move. I guess the Normandy's most dangerous weapon is our beloved EDI and guess what - that small victory on Horizon was her job.

We don't know how recently the gun arrived or how difficult it was for the VS to convince the settlers to let it be set up in the first place. The gun not being perfectly calibrated out of the box is not unreasonable since it would have to adjust for local atmosphere and gravity.

Cerberus intel is pretty impressive, I guess.

Intel isn't something that magically appears. There has to be a source. What kind of source could give that level of precision and timing other than the Collectors and/or Reapers themselves?

TIM's betrayal of Shepard in ME3 could simply be the result of staring into the palantir too long.

[Someone With Mass]

ExtremeOne wrote...
well the dam alliance is a bunch of alien loving bastards. Hackett was sad the batarians died in the arrival dlc.  You know what you paragon players can talk the same sh*t  you been talking but guess what Cerberus saved humanity in 2 not the alliance . I know where my loyalities lie and Jessica and Anakin Shepard are Cerberus Soldiers . who have one sole enemy and that is the alliance and paragons 

Well, as a part of the Citadel community, I think it'd hurt the Alliance's image pretty bad if they suddenly started to show pro-human behavior.

But I guess you know nothing about such problems until they're right up in your face.

[PnXMarcin1PL]

ExtremeOne wrote...

LeVaughnX wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Seboist wrote...

What's the big deal about that?

Yeah, let's kill some more Alliance admirals. It's not like they're in short supply or anything.

Kahoku stepped out of line. He was told by top Alliance brass to back off and he still continued with his personal crusade and even enlisted the help of an alien information hustler to get classified intel.

The only thing "wrong" about the situation is that Cerberus didn't hire my Shepard to deal with that son of a ****.

See I would hope that in real life you don't honestly believe in things like this.

Cerberus is the "xenophobic" "pro-human" group who willingly killed "thousands" if not "millions" of its own people. Cerberus is compairable to the KKK or Hitlers Army because they claim to be "pro human" but instead they go around and kill "everything". Majority of the soldiers, engineers, workers in general who work for Cerberus don't realize it most-likely; where as the higher ups know and accept this because they just don't care - its more power for them.

Sure the Alliance isn't the greatest (personally my Paragon Shep would flip them all the bird for being stupid) but honestly Cerberus isn't pro anything but themselves! They killed "Alliance Officals" and tried to even kill Anderson a few times; regardless if you try to justify it you can't ignore the fact that a PRO HUMAN GROUP JUST HUNTED DOWN HUMANS! They are no better than the Collect...wait a second..Maybe thats why the "VS" was under cover?...To see if Cerberus OR the Reapers would come after him/her! Because clearly they are more ignorant than Shepard - so they would be a perfect slave for Cerberus!!!

Anyway ignoring my random ranting; you guys need to face the facts...You're backing a genocidal group of terrorists who did only three good things -- Give us EDI / Revive the Normandy / Revive Shepard. Beyond that - they are still murderering terrorists.

   



well the dam alliance is a bunch of alien loving bastards. Hackett was sad the batarians died in the arrival dlc.  You know what you paragon players can talk the same sh*t  you been talking but guess what Cerberus saved humanity in 2 not the alliance . I know where my loyalities lie and Jessica and Anakin Shepard are Cerberus Soldiers . who have one sole enemy and that is the alliance and paragons 

You know if ME ever had mp your Shepards would be dead rly quickly? 

[Moiaussi]

ExtremeOne wrote...

well the dam alliance is a bunch of alien loving bastards. Hackett was sad the batarians died in the arrival dlc.  You know what you paragon players can talk the same sh*t  you been talking but guess what Cerberus saved humanity in 2 not the alliance . I know where my loyalities lie and Jessica and Anakin Shepard are Cerberus Soldiers . who have one sole enemy and that is the alliance and paragons 

So you consider the Reapers your allies, Gracie?

Not to mention 'the alliance and paragons' is more than 'one sole enemy, since you list them separately. You are living up to your name, so extreme you can't count past one.

[ExtremeOne]

Someone With Mass wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...
well the dam alliance is a bunch of alien loving bastards. Hackett was sad the batarians died in the arrival dlc.  You know what you paragon players can talk the same sh*t  you been talking but guess what Cerberus saved humanity in 2 not the alliance . I know where my loyalities lie and Jessica and Anakin Shepard are Cerberus Soldiers . who have one sole enemy and that is the alliance and paragons 

Well, as a part of the Citadel community, I think it'd hurt the Alliance's image pretty bad if they suddenly started to show pro-human behavior.

But I guess you know nothing about such problems until they're right up in your face.

   




They are a bunch of alien loving and do nothing bastards. My Shepard has no need ofr them nor will they be his and her bosses in 3  

[ExtremeOne]

Moiaussi wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

well the dam alliance is a bunch of alien loving bastards. Hackett was sad the batarians died in the arrival dlc.  You know what you paragon players can talk the same sh*t  you been talking but guess what Cerberus saved humanity in 2 not the alliance . I know where my loyalities lie and Jessica and Anakin Shepard are Cerberus Soldiers . who have one sole enemy and that is the alliance and paragons 

So you consider the Reapers your allies, Gracie?

Not to mention 'the alliance and paragons' is more than 'one sole enemy, since you list them separately. You are living up to your name, so extreme you can't count past one.

    




The reapers are not my allies. I made a mistake in listing them sperate. 

[DAT ASARI]

LeVaughnX wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Seboist wrote...

What's the big deal about that?

Yeah, let's kill some more Alliance admirals. It's not like they're in short supply or anything.

Kahoku stepped out of line. He was told by top Alliance brass to back off and he still continued with his personal crusade and even enlisted the help of an alien information hustler to get classified intel.

The only thing "wrong" about the situation is that Cerberus didn't hire my Shepard to deal with that son of a ****.

See I would hope that in real life you don't honestly believe in things like this.

Cerberus is the "xenophobic" "pro-human" group who willingly killed "thousands" if not "millions" of its own people. Cerberus is compairable to the KKK or Hitlers Army because they claim to be "pro human" but instead they go around and kill "everything". Majority of the soldiers, engineers, workers in general who work for Cerberus don't realize it most-likely; where as the higher ups know and accept this because they just don't care - its more power for them.

Sure the Alliance isn't the greatest (personally my Paragon Shep would flip them all the bird for being stupid) but honestly Cerberus isn't pro anything but themselves! They killed "Alliance Officals" and tried to even kill Anderson a few times; regardless if you try to justify it you can't ignore the fact that a PRO HUMAN GROUP JUST HUNTED DOWN HUMANS! They are no better than the Collect...wait a second..Maybe thats why the "VS" was under cover?...To see if Cerberus OR the Reapers would come after him/her! Because clearly they are more ignorant than Shepard - so they would be a perfect slave for Cerberus!!!

Anyway ignoring my random ranting; you guys need to face the facts...You're backing a genocidal group of terrorists who did only three good things -- Give us EDI / Revive the Normandy / Revive Shepard. Beyond that - they are still murderering terrorists.

I thought we were talking about a video game, not real life.   Hmmm, news to me!

[kiti.the.great]

DAT ASARI wrote...

I thought we were talking about a video game, not real life.   Hmmm, news to me!

Eheh, good point.

Moiaussi wrote...

Which didn't exactly take much longer to get working, did they? They
were all but set up, and keep in mind that the VS had the settlers
breathing down their neck, whereas Shepard had EDI do all the
calibrating remotely.

Naah, honestly I don't believe that VS was even able to fire that gunny guns without tech skills.

Calibrating the weapon is something that wouldn't normally need an
AI for. That is a pretty routine task, something a VI should be able to
handle just fine.

Yes, that's why guns were still disabled. Okay, okay, I know, but it sounds funny. Routine task that can't be done because... Because what? Ok, I'm teasing a bit.

Intel isn't something that magically appears. There has to be a source.
What kind of source could give that level of precision and timing other
than the Collectors and/or Reapers themselves?

Ever heard of Shadow Broker and his network? Intel = TIMs weapon, as he said.

Modifié par kiti.the.great, 11 mai 2011 - 07:12 .

[Moiaussi]

ExtremeOne wrote...

Moiaussi wrote...

So you consider the Reapers your allies, Gracie?

Not to mention 'the alliance and paragons' is more than 'one sole enemy, since you list them separately. You are living up to your name, so extreme you can't count past one.

     

The reapers are not my allies. I made a mistake in listing them sperate. 

And yet you don't consider them your enemy either. Your 'one sole enemy' is appearantly the Alliance.

Perhaps you would like to start again? Noone expects the Extreme inquisition!

Modifié par Moiaussi, 11 mai 2011 - 07:13 .

[Moiaussi]

kiti.the.great wrote...
Ever heard of Shadow Broker and his network? Intel = TIMs weapon, as he said.

Again, intel isn't magic. If the Shadow Broker has that level of intel on the Collectors, why doesn't it show up in the files in LotSB?

As for the gun, for all we know it had just come out of the box, or the locals kept interrupting the VS with 'are you done yet?' or other innane questions. For all we know, one of them may even have been sabotaging the installation.

Modifié par Moiaussi, 11 mai 2011 - 07:18 .

[kiti.the.great]

Moiaussi wrote...

kiti.the.great wrote...
Ever heard of Shadow Broker and his network? Intel = TIMs weapon, as he said.

Again, intel isn't magic. If the Shadow Broker has that level of intel on the Collectors, why doesn't it show up in the files in LotSB?

But heeey. Colonists from Freedom's Progress were already abducted, so I guess it's not a big deal to realize that something wrong is going on, when at some point FP went silent. And Horizon was somewhat planned and "arranged" by TIM.

Modifié par kiti.the.great, 11 mai 2011 - 07:26 .

[Moiaussi]

kiti.the.great wrote...

But heeey. Colonists from Freedom's Progress were already abducted, so I guess it's not a big deal to realize that something wrong is going on, when at some point FP went silent. And Horizon was somewhat planned and "arranged" by TIM.

They conveniently arrived on FP very shortly after the attack. Given the fact that travel isn't instantaneous, they pretty much had to be en route before or during the attack.

On Horizon, setting bait doesn't ensure timing. The Collectors took the bait, but the Normandy arrived very quickly, during the occupation. They weren't told 'stake out Horizon and be ready in case it is attacked.' And in fact, if the Normandy had arrived first, it would have gone a lot differently since we know that the Collectors can counter the Normandy's stealth. For the plan to work, TIM had to be able to ensure that the Normandy arrived second, and after the collectors were on the ground collecting.

[Seboist]

Someone With Mass wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...
well the dam alliance is a bunch of alien loving bastards. Hackett was sad the batarians died in the arrival dlc.  You know what you paragon players can talk the same sh*t  you been talking but guess what Cerberus saved humanity in 2 not the alliance . I know where my loyalities lie and Jessica and Anakin Shepard are Cerberus Soldiers . who have one sole enemy and that is the alliance and paragons 

Well, as a part of the Citadel community, I think it'd hurt the Alliance's image pretty bad if they suddenly started to show pro-human behavior.

But I guess you know nothing about such problems until they're right up in your face.

What's bad about showing "pro-human behavior"? The Human councilor or ambassador is by definition looking out for human interests.

[Seboist]

kiti.the.great wrote...

LeVaughnX wrote...

I swear you people are like religious folk - instead of trying to have a conversation about the flaw in your logic you have to try and assault ours after we willingly admit to flaws.

I'm outta this thread - too many idiots.

Eheh, funny thing , but you just described your logic - "ADMIT THAT CERBERUS IS EVIL OR I'LL CALL YOU AN IDIOT"
Be my guest, hunny.

Irony is always lost on the anti-Cerberus folk. These are the same people who slam TIM for saying "Cerberus is humanity" but turn a blind eye when Shepard has the arrogance to claim HE is humanity with his "I won't sacrifice the soul of our species" line.

[Someone With Mass]

Seboist wrote...
What's bad about showing "pro-human behavior"? The Human councilor or ambassador is by definition looking out for human interests.

As in, putting humanity above everyone else. As in, showing the aliens that they're not trustworthy because the Alliance might pull another one of these when they least expect it.

[Seboist]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Seboist wrote...
What's bad about showing "pro-human behavior"? The Human councilor or ambassador is by definition looking out for human interests.

As in, putting humanity above everyone else. As in, showing the aliens that they're not trustworthy because the Alliance might pull another one of these when they least expect it.

How DARE those humans try to priotize destroying Sovereign when he was about to bring the destruction of the Galaxy! The lives of three politicians is clearly more important than TRILLIONS of lives.

My my, you shown me the errors my ways. *salutes*

Modifié par Seboist, 11 mai 2011 - 07:47 .

[kiti.the.great]

Moiaussi wrote...

They conveniently arrived on FP very shortly after the attack. Given the fact that travel isn't instantaneous, they pretty much had to be en route before or during the attack.

On Horizon, setting bait doesn't ensure timing. The Collectors took the bait, but the Normandy arrived very quickly, during the occupation. They weren't told 'stake out Horizon and be ready in case it is attacked.' And in fact, if the Normandy had arrived first, it would have gone a lot differently since we know that the Collectors can counter the Normandy's stealth. For the plan to work, TIM had to be able to ensure that the Normandy arrived second, and after the collectors were on the ground collecting.

Oh nooeeees, another "TIM is insane/indoctrinated/Reapers himself" theory? I think that some things in game just need to be... faster, more dramatic and simpler, you know.

[Someone With Mass]

Yeah, God forbid that they help the 10 000 crew members aboard that ship instead of idly passing by and just wait for the Citadel arms to open...

[ObserverStatus]

I'm pretty sure that both some paragon and some renegade choices are going to backfire in ME3, but Shepard can't just give up and cry, Just make the best of bad situations. If you gave tIM the collector base, kill him and take it for yourself. If you let the Rachni live and they turn on you, dip them in coconut batter and deep fry them for a delicious snack. If Shiala mutates into a half plant beast, capture her for study.

[kiti.the.great]

Seboist wrote...

How DARE those humans try to priotize destroying Sovereign when he was about to bring the destruction of the Galaxy! The lives of three politicians is clearly more important than TRILLIONS of lives.

My my, you shown me the errors my ways. *salutes*

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