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So the people who chose not to blow up the base get slapped in the face?

Débuté par Perfect-Kenshin , mai 10 2011 06:05

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Posté 12 mai 2011 - 07:19

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Moiaussi wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

I'm the same way but the logical choices always turning out badly still frustrates me.


One man's logic is another man's WTH.

One of the problems is that the renegades want the best of both worlds. If paragons get an extra mess to clean up, renegades complain about getting less content, but if paragons don't get an extra mess to clean up, the renegades complain that the situation turned out better for the paragons.

They want the best of both worlds.


Renegades want equal content for both. I'm totally fine with Renegade choices backfiring like having angry people gunning after my Shep in response if the Paragon choice gets some proportional consequence as well.

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Posté 12 mai 2011 - 07:33

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Moiaussi wrote...

One of the problems is that the renegades want the best of both worlds


You are so steadfast in defense of your cause in the face of any and all evidence or criticism that would seek to undermine its validity. Some might call it heroic (but not me).

I don't want the best of both worlds. What I want is at least a few situations where doing the smart thing is the only way to get a positive outcome. I'm perfectly fine with most other situations being solvable both ways and even with one or two where the only way to get a bearable outcome is to go Paragon.

For example, let's say that in trying to stop Balak you get the hostages killed and he escapes.

I would be fine with that. However, only if there was some other decision where only going the Renegade route offered a 'good' outcome.



Edited for grammar and sincere politeness.

Modifié par Saphra Deden, 12 mai 2011 - 08:05 .

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Posté 12 mai 2011 - 07:58

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@Saphra Deden - you can make your point without disparaging other posters. Please refrain from doing so.

Thank you,

RI

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Posté 12 mai 2011 - 08:02

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Elite Midget wrote...

Want to never get screwed over by Bioware?

Pick Human Male Paragon Shepard.
Romance Liara.
Save Tali and Garrus only in ME2.
Entering ME3 with a Full Squad and little to no lost content.


I have no problem with this. ^_^

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Posté 12 mai 2011 - 10:39

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I love how everyone seems to absolutely, 100%, know the details. But this is not the case. Who knows, there might be some trouble for not blowing up the base, but if you were to get your hands on the technology in the long run it could be absolutely beneficial and screw over paragons. Obviously we aren't 100% sure if blowing has no repercussions.

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Posté 12 mai 2011 - 10:46

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I don't understand why so many Renegades are up in arms. In ME2 I thought the Renegades were able to do way more cool things like shooting the gas tank to blow up the Krogan, or punching the reporter, or way better means of getting discounts (I mean how many favorite stores on the Citadel can Paragons really have?) Sure we didn't get to talk to the full council but I always disconnected them in ME1 anyway.

My point is that we have so few details about ME3 to be this upset seems a little absurd.

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Posté 12 mai 2011 - 10:47

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lightsnow13 wrote...

I love how everyone seems to absolutely, 100%, know the details.

That's obviously because those who only play and complain about games know infinitely more about story and characters in the next game than the people whos jobs for the last year or two have been to make and write the game itself.

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Posté 12 mai 2011 - 11:52

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Clonedzero wrote...

yeah, choices should never have consquences. that'd be CRAZYYYYYYYYYYY

also. this is nonspoilers area dude.


actually this is the spoilers warning area...dude

I agree.  I blew the base and told cerberus to shove it.  I knew they'd be an enemy because of that but I didnt think they'd get the reaper tech anyways.  It seems that the final choice for ME2 was pointless...Cerberus gets the technology either way, your with the alliance, and cerberus is trying to kill you, all regardless of how you play out the ending.  There better be a damn good explanation because wow what a copout.

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Posté 13 mai 2011 - 12:04

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vanslyke85 wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

yeah, choices should never have consquences. that'd be CRAZYYYYYYYYYYY

also. this is nonspoilers area dude.


actually this is the spoilers warning area...dude

I agree.  I blew the base and told cerberus to shove it.  I knew they'd be an enemy because of that but I didnt think they'd get the reaper tech anyways.  It seems that the final choice for ME2 was pointless...Cerberus gets the technology either way, your with the alliance, and cerberus is trying to kill you, all regardless of how you play out the ending.  There better be a damn good explanation because wow what a copout.


Can you please direct me to where it says they get the Reaper Tech regardless?

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Posté 13 mai 2011 - 12:21

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Do people really only play one way or the other? It seems silly not to have at least 1 play through of both paragon and renegade to ensure the broadest gaming experience.
If you only play one, you're deliberately limiting your gameplay.... why?

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Posté 13 mai 2011 - 12:25

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Reapinger wrote...

vanslyke85 wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

yeah, choices should never have consquences. that'd be CRAZYYYYYYYYYYY

also. this is nonspoilers area dude.


actually this is the spoilers warning area...dude

I agree.  I blew the base and told cerberus to shove it.  I knew they'd be an enemy because of that but I didnt think they'd get the reaper tech anyways.  It seems that the final choice for ME2 was pointless...Cerberus gets the technology either way, your with the alliance, and cerberus is trying to kill you, all regardless of how you play out the ending.  There better be a damn good explanation because wow what a copout.


Can you please direct me to where it says they get the Reaper Tech regardless?

In Retribution, which is purposely vague and open-ended about the Collector Base decision, Cerberus implants Reaper technology into Grayson to study indoctrination and Reaper cybernetics. Some amount of Collector/Reaper tech is obtained, whether derived from the undamaged base or salvaged from the debris.

Nothing suggests or implies that Cerberus gets the same tech boon regardless.

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Posté 13 mai 2011 - 12:26

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Reapinger wrote...

vanslyke85 wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

yeah, choices should never have consquences. that'd be CRAZYYYYYYYYYYY

also. this is nonspoilers area dude.


actually this is the spoilers warning area...dude

I agree.  I blew the base and told cerberus to shove it.  I knew they'd be an enemy because of that but I didnt think they'd get the reaper tech anyways.  It seems that the final choice for ME2 was pointless...Cerberus gets the technology either way, your with the alliance, and cerberus is trying to kill you, all regardless of how you play out the ending.  There better be a damn good explanation because wow what a copout.


Can you please direct me to where it says they get the Reaper Tech regardless?


In LOTSB(if played post SM + CB destruction) the Shadow Broker talks about taking the Normandy's Reaper IFF and salvaging the remains of the CB, implying they're still useful for something.

Guess who else has Reaper IFFs? That's right, Cerberus does. See bad ending + CB saved for further details.

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Posté 13 mai 2011 - 12:26

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Reapinger wrote...
Can you please direct me to where it says they get the Reaper Tech regardless?


The Shadowbroker discusses wanting to salvage the remains

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Posté 13 mai 2011 - 12:30

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mrsph wrote...

Reapinger wrote...
Can you please direct me to where it says they get the Reaper Tech regardless?


The Shadowbroker discusses wanting to salvage the remains


That was the first sign that the CB decision was being made irrelevant I should add.

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Posté 13 mai 2011 - 12:32

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DxWill10 wrote...

Do people really only play one way or the other? It seems silly not to have at least 1 play through of both paragon and renegade to ensure the broadest gaming experience.
If you only play one, you're deliberately limiting your gameplay.... why?


I guess how it makes you feel in game play....I have tried playing a few renegade games and ended up hating those Sheps and lost all enjoyment in those games, no use playing the game if you don't enjoy it.

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Posté 13 mai 2011 - 02:48

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Perfect-Kenshin wrote...

noisecode wrote...

Perfect-Kenshin wrote...

Seriously? I didn't blow up the collecters base, thinking that it was going to be a good decision given that the technology could be used to better mankind and better understand how to take out the Reapers, only to now learn that it''s just going to  be make antagonists stronger in Mass Effect 3. What the hell, Bioware. If you intended to PUNISH players who made a certain decision, why even allow us to make that decision at all?



You havent played the game  =  you have no evidence that you are being punished.......... in other words assumptions.

I haven't played the game, but I have read information which was provided by the develepors.
http://jebelkrong.blogspot.com/

You can read it for yourself. It clearly indicates that those who decided to keep the base are helping their enemies in Mass Effect 3.

Thanks, man.

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Posté 13 mai 2011 - 02:51

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mrsph wrote...

Reapinger wrote...
Can you please direct me to where it says they get the Reaper Tech regardless?


The Shadowbroker discusses wanting to salvage the remains


Ahhhh, thankies everyone. :wub:

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Posté 13 mai 2011 - 05:44

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Alright, according to the PC Gamer magazine article, in Mass Effect 3, Cerberus is working with the Reapers. They figure that it was fear of the Reaper's power as they took the Earth that drove them to turn against Shepard.

Fair enough... (that said, it doesn't account for what happened before then).

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 13 mai 2011 - 05:44 .

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Posté 13 mai 2011 - 06:36

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mrsph wrote...

Reapinger wrote...
Can you please direct me to where it says they get the Reaper Tech regardless?


The Shadowbroker discusses wanting to salvage the remains


That, and I figured they must have gotten a few nice tidbits when EDI raided the base computer.
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