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[Seboist]

Cheesy Blue wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

Renegade choices always come back to bite you in the ass. Bioware apparently thinks renegade is another way of saying "wrong".

Yeah, as evidenced by the lack of the human dominated council showing up and every criminal turning out reformed after Paragon Shepard "talk-jutsued" them into submission.

Their is a diffrent way of looking at this. The way I see it is Renegade choices benefit Shepard in the short term while Paragon decisions benefit him in the long term.

Killing the Rachni queen and blowing up the Heretic Geth are all about long term concerns.

[Seboist]

kiti.the.great wrote...

OK, maybe I'm an idiot, but for me, according to the novels (esp. Retribution), it's pretty clear that Illusive Man is honest with his hatred towards Reapers along with his will to protect humanity from this threat, he is even considering further cooperation with Shepard. So why the heck such a cheap plot twist? He knew Saren and he knew what happened to those, who tried to make some stupid dealings with Reapers. SO WHYYYY THE HEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!???????
Indoctrination thing? No, I won't buy it, it's DAMN CHEAP and OBVIOUS.
Really, that is that shocking plot twist of "Luke, I am your father"-calibre?
No shhhiiiittt.
Please, no shhhhhiiiiiiit!

(probably because Mac W.=/= Drew K.)

Yes, furious Cerberus fangirl is furious Cerberus fangirl.

Like our sigs say "The Illusive Man has the right idea". :happy:

[Gill Kaiser]

I don't see why people are saying that Cerberus has allied with the Reapers. All we know is that TIM is trying to kill Shepard. It may be that he has differing ideas about how to fight the Reapers and Shepard is getting in the way, or it may be that he's found something out that necessitates Shepard's body, or whatever.

Of course, he could be indoctrinated, but I think that'd be too simple.

[kiti.the.great]

Seboist wrote...
Like our sigs say "The Illusive Man has the right idea". :happy:

Damn straight! \\o_

[Cheesy Blue]

kiti.the.great wrote...

OK, maybe I'm an idiot, but for me, according to the novels (esp. Retribution), it's pretty clear that Illusive Man is honest with his hatred towards Reapers along with his will to protect humanity from this threat, he is even considering further cooperation with Shepard. So why the heck such a cheap plot twist? He knew Saren and he knew what happened to those, who tried to make some stupid dealings with Reapers. SO WHYYYY THE HEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!???????
Indoctrination thing? No, I won't buy it, it's DAMN CHEAP and OBVIOUS.
Really, that is that shocking plot twist of "Luke, I am your father"-calibre?
No shhhiiiittt.
Please, no shhhhhiiiiiiit!

(probably because Mac W.=/= Drew K.)

Yes, furious Cerberus fangirl is furious Cerberus fangirl.

Just because It's an obvious plot twist doen't mean that's a bad thing. I think the ME team can still tell an awesome story with Cerberus betraying Shepard for obvious reasons. Besides, they still havn't revealed the reason why Cerberus is hunting Shepard. You may be pleasently suprised.

[kiti.the.great]

Cheesy Blue wrote...

Just because It's an obvious plot twist doen't mean that's a bad thing. I think the ME team can still tell an awesome story with Cerberus betraying Shepard for obvious reasons. Besides, they still havn't revealed the reason why Cerberus is hunting Shepard. You may be pleasently suprised.

No, I can't be pleasantly suprised if Cerberus, which I wanted to join for good, is after me.

[Cheesy Blue]

kiti.the.great wrote...

Cheesy Blue wrote...

Just because It's an obvious plot twist doen't mean that's a bad thing. I think the ME team can still tell an awesome story with Cerberus betraying Shepard for obvious reasons. Besides, they still havn't revealed the reason why Cerberus is hunting Shepard. You may be pleasently suprised.

No, I can't be pleasantly suprised if Cerberus, which I wanted to join for good, is after me.

Think about. Maybe if Shepard takes down TIM you can take over Cerberus and run it the way you want, similar to how Liara becomes the Shadow Broker. After all, Shepard is practically the gaurdian of Humanity.

[lovgreno]

To OP: That remains to be seen. There are no reason to cry "BioWare hates us renegades!" before the game is finished. I got the feeling there won't be any big advantage or disadvantage with any of the decisions regarding the base.

[kiti.the.great]

Cheesy Blue wrote...

Think about. Maybe if Shepard takes down TIM you can take over Cerberus and run it the way you want, similar to how Liara becomes the Shadow Broker. After all, Shepard is practically the gaurdian of Humanity.

Awkaay, I must admit that it is a very tempting idea, but TIM is such a wonderful character and he has a damn potential to be something more than just another-flat-boring-evul-to-the-bone-villian. I want to see him neither good nor bad, just as he was in ME2. For me, I mean.

Modifié par kiti.the.great, 10 mai 2011 - 07:28 .

[Seboist]

kiti.the.great wrote...

Cheesy Blue wrote...

Think about. Maybe if Shepard takes down TIM you can take over Cerberus and run it the way you want, similar to how Liara becomes the Shadow Broker. After all, Shepard is practically the gaurdian of Humanity.

Awkaay, I must admit that it is a very tempting idea, but TIM is such a wonderful character and he has a damn potential to be something more than just another-flat-boring-evul-to-the-bone-villian. I want to see him neither good nor bad, just as he was in ME2. For me, I mean.

Same here and I want him to be a LI for my femshep. 

[Cheesy Blue]

Seboist wrote...

kiti.the.great wrote...

Cheesy Blue wrote...

Think about. Maybe if Shepard takes down TIM you can take over Cerberus and run it the way you want, similar to how Liara becomes the Shadow Broker. After all, Shepard is practically the gaurdian of Humanity.

Awkaay, I must admit that it is a very tempting idea, but TIM is such a wonderful character and he has a damn potential to be something more than just another-flat-boring-evul-to-the-bone-villian. I want to see him neither good nor bad, just as he was in ME2. For me, I mean.

Same here and I want him to be a LI for my femshep. 

*Spine Shutters*

I do not want to picture that.

[Zimary]

Perfect-Kenshin wrote...

Seriously? I didn't blow up the collecters base, thinking that it was going to be a good decision given that the technology could be used to better mankind and better understand how to take out the Reapers, only to now learn that it''s just going to  be make antagonists stronger in Mass Effect 3. What the hell, Bioware. If you intended to PUNISH players who made a certain decision, why even allow us to make that decision at all?

My goodness, who knew that giving dangerous alien technology to the people that conducted evil and inhumane experiments in ME1, i.e. "the bad guys", would possibly have negative reprocussions in ME3!!

Seriously though people, stop ****ing. If you made the renegade choice of giving the illusive man the base, you get what you deserve. I mean, if your parents keep saying "dont shoot yourself in the face cause something bad might happen", and then you do exatly that, you cant really complain when something bad happens. Good choice might have a consequence, bad choice deffinitely has a consequence, so dont complain when you make a bad choice and you expect everyone to bend over backward to treat you that same as the guy that made the good choice.

Notice I dont say good or evil, just good or bad, AKA right and wrong. Duh. They lead to the same place, but in different ways. If you dont like it, the dont give him the base!

EDIT: Sorry, I just get pissed off when renegades expect the same treatment as paragons. Why even have choices if thats what you want?!?!

Modifié par Zimary, 10 mai 2011 - 07:40 .

[Amyntas]

One thing I've learnt in ME is that Shepard is always right, no matter what he says or does. Reality and consequences bend to Shepard's will. If you destroyed the base, it will be a good decision. If you kept it, the game will still tell you how smart you were. At least that's my expectation.

[kiti.the.great]

Cheesy Blue wrote...

Seboist wrote...

kiti.the.great wrote...

Cheesy Blue wrote...

Think about. Maybe if Shepard takes down TIM you can take over Cerberus and run it the way you want, similar to how Liara becomes the Shadow Broker. After all, Shepard is practically the gaurdian of Humanity.

Awkaay, I must admit that it is a very tempting idea, but TIM is such a wonderful character and he has a damn potential to be something more than just another-flat-boring-evul-to-the-bone-villian. I want to see him neither good nor bad, just as he was in ME2. For me, I mean.

Same here and I want him to be a LI for my femshep. 

*Spine Shutters*

I do not want to picture that.

here you go!

[kiti.the.great]

Zimary wrote...

Seriously though people, stop ****ing. If you made the renegade choice of giving the illusive man the base, you get what you deserve.

Go away, Talimancer.

Paragons are overrated, just sayin'.

Modifié par kiti.the.great, 10 mai 2011 - 07:43 .

[Cheesy Blue]

kiti.the.great wrote...

Zimary wrote...

Seriously though people, stop ****ing. If you made the renegade choice of giving the illusive man the base, you get what you deserve.

Go away, Talimancer.

Paragons are overrated, just sayin'.

Talimancers gonna get you now. just sayin.

[kiti.the.great]

Cheesy Blue wrote...

kiti.the.great wrote...

Zimary wrote...

Seriously though people, stop ****ing. If you made the renegade choice of giving the illusive man the base, you get what you deserve.

Go away, Talimancer.

Paragons are overrated, just sayin'.

Talimancers gonna get you now. just sayin.

I love to play with fire. Just burnin'.
Oh shiiii----

[Tamahome560]

Choices&Consequences BSN... you complain about lack of them and now that you clearly have made a choice that has bad consequences you whine. Hypocrisy. Not all choices are good and this was obviously bad so rejoice that you will experience consequences that BSN is longing for

Modifié par Tamahome560, 10 mai 2011 - 07:51 .

[Zimary]

kiti.the.great wrote...

Zimary wrote...

Seriously though people, stop ****ing. If you made the renegade choice of giving the illusive man the base, you get what you deserve.

Go away, Talimancer.

Paragons are overrated, just sayin'.

Well, I am a Tali fan, but thats neither here nor there.

I agree, but I dont like people complaining about the consequences of their action. Didnt nearly all your old friends from ME1 warn you to beware Cerberus, that they cant be trusted, that theyre using you, etc? Theres a reason giving the IM the base was renegade you know...Id rather destroy the base than let him have it, kind of a "You finally show your true colors, and I dont trust you, and if I cant have it, neither will you." Besides, I think ME2 was used to set up the Cerberus connection and the prelude to the war. In addition, I think the IM was after the base from the beggining. It would explain why he spent that much bringing back Shepard, since he was the only one with the cipher, beacon, and the only one to survive sovreign.

[Tamahome560]

EDIT: Damn instead of editing my last post I quoted myself...

Modifié par Tamahome560, 10 mai 2011 - 07:51 .

[Someone With Mass]

kiti.the.great wrote...

Awkaay, I must admit that it is a very tempting idea, but TIM is such a wonderful character and he has a damn potential to be something more than just another-flat-boring-evul-to-the-bone-villian. I want to see him neither good nor bad, just as he was in ME2. For me, I mean.

Too late. He's a backstabber among backstabbers.

[marshalleck]

Tamahome560 wrote...

Choices&Consequences BSN... you complain about lack of them and now that you clearly have made a choice that has bad consequences you whine. Hypocrisy. Not all choices are good and this was obviously bad so rejoice that you will experience consequences that BSN is longing for

Right..so what "consequences" are Paragons going to see? Maybe Balak (whom you let escape in order to save a handful of scientists) will try again to drop a rock on a human colony and succeed this time, killing millions of people?

Won't happen. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 10 mai 2011 - 07:57 .

[ianmcdonald]

Perfect-Kenshin wrote...

Seriously? I didn't blow up the collecters base, thinking that it was going to be a good decision given that the technology could be used to better mankind and better understand how to take out the Reapers, only to now learn that it''s just going to  be make antagonists stronger in Mass Effect 3. What the hell, Bioware. If you intended to PUNISH players who made a certain decision, why even allow us to make that decision at all?

Is there a methane leak somewhere I should know about?

Bioware has said repeatedly that players won't be punished for their decisions. The game will just be different.

[Someone With Mass]

ianmcdonald wrote...

Is there a methane leak somewhere I should know about?

Bioware has said repeatedly that players won't be punished for their decisions. The game will just be different.

Some Renegade players fail hard to see the difference between the two, though.

[JaegerBane]

Perfect-Kenshin wrote...

Seriously? I didn't blow up the collecters base, thinking that it was going to be a good decision given that the technology could be used to better mankind and better understand how to take out the Reapers, only to now learn that it''s just going to  be make antagonists stronger in Mass Effect 3. What the hell, Bioware. If you intended to PUNISH players who made a certain decision, why even allow us to make that decision at all?

You gave a stash of volatile and dangerous tech to a man that has repeatedly proven that he isn't fit to take responsibility of it. Why are you surprised it worked out like this? If you stuck your hand in a fire, would you be surprised that you burnt your hand?