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[CroGamer002]

I'll go off-topic here.

Dean_the_Young wrote...

squee913 wrote...

First of all, Kudos on the excellent choice in majors. A person after my own heart. (though I admit, my grad work is in the crusades, not WWII naval warfare)

Since this is going into the theoretical, let dial it back down a bit. I never said Japan had a good chance of winning, only that they were a viable threat.  If they had won at Midway, they potentially could have invaded Alaska. In fact, this is what the US brass originally thought Japan was planning to do instead of midway. If they had sunk the big E at Soloman Islands, they almost certainly would have taken Guadal canal and used it as a staging ground to take Australia. If these had happened, than there is no way to tell how the war would have changed. They were a treat. Just because they lost, does not change that.

Japan never had the ability to take Australia for the same reasons it could never take Hawaii: never enough men, never enough ships, and never enough oil to sustain combat operations at such ranges.

This is increasingly off topic, and irrelevant to the rest of the discussion at hand. If you'd like to take this to PM, I'll gladly oblige you there.

They taken over China. CHINA!

What makes you think they couldn't do same thing with Australia and US West Coast?
Oil? They were still doing war until Hiroshima and Nagasaki. They could have conquer all of that if they were more lucky on Pearl Harbor( for that carrier) and Midway.

[tjzsf]

Mesina2 wrote...

They taken over China. CHINA!

What makes you think they couldn't do same thing with Australia and US West Coast?
Oil? They were still doing war until Hiroshima and Nagasaki. They could have conquer all of that if they were more lucky on Pearl Harbor( for that carrier) and Midway.

ahem.
they did not.
They claimed the would take over China in 3 months. Instead they only managed to take at most half of it and got stuck in a war of attrition that soaked up half their army's manpower.
Also, being able to suppy a force in China when your home base is in Japan is worlds apart from doing the same when your force is in Oz or the US.

[Dean_the_Young]

Mesina2 wrote...

They taken over China. CHINA!

Except, actually, they never did. They were stuck half-way, which was one of the primary reasons for the war: their war economy required ample imports of strategic materials that the US was refusing to supply.

What makes you think they couldn't do same thing with Australia and US West Coast?

Geography quiz: take out a rules and measure the distances involved.

Japan to the Chinese coast: about 750 miles.

Distance from Japan to Australia? Round about 4,350 miles.

Japan to west coast? Just under 5,500 miles.

See, the thing is, Japan didn't have the logistical lift to spare, or the troops to spare, or the production to spare, because they were all in China, which was the cause for the war in the first place. Besides the fact that Japan's war-time merchant marine wasn't enough to supply its own economy in the first place, that same merchant marine was also required for troop movement, the vast majority of which were tied down in garrisons and in China.

Japan never had the ability or the infrastructure to create the logistical network that won the Pacific War. It couldn't even win the near-fights in which it had qualitiative superiority, and the Australia and US gambits were even further away and at qualitative disadvantages. There are reasons that Japan never won a land campaign against an armed, contigenouse force.

Again, I highly recommend people read those articles I linked and pointed towards.

Oil? They were still doing war until Hiroshima and Nagasaki. They could have conquer all of that if they were more lucky on Pearl Harbor( for that carrier) and Midway.

By Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the Imperial Navy wasn't even running on fumes, and it only lasted as long as it did because the Japanese fleets nearly never left port. They began the war with precious little fuel, less than a year's worth of continuous movement, and they spread it as long as they did by basically starving their economy and never moving out the main fleet.

Japanese naval doctrine revolved around a decisive battle. Against any enemy who was inclined to simply rebuild any lost forces, being strung out across a number of operations would simply burn up what fuel they did have. This was never a mystery to the Japanese, even in their own high-level government deliberations. They knew that an extended war would be disastrous for them: they simply highly misjudged their ability to force a political capitulation by the United States.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 28 mai 2011 - 03:27 .

[Someone With Mass]

I think the rachni being turned into husks is a "punishment" (seriously, that word is the new retcon) good enough. Most other decisions sounds like small potatoes to me.

I mean, just because it is a Paragon or Renegade decision doesn't mean I have to pick or like it if I'm either of those. That's the point in having choices.

[Destroy Raiden_]

As a paragade I suspect letting the Virmire scientist live will come back to haunt me sense she can't seem to stay away from projects that screw people up for life. I let the geth live in one playthrough and I kill them every other time because I think they'll link with the other geth and get them to join the reapers which is a high probability. I think Xen could become a problem sense she has the data Tali's dad had and she loves to think of the geth as her pets. Balak might come back in 3 and make an issue, Billy might come back in 3 and kidnap shep (which I'd love BTW) TIM is obviously a problem but I expected no less from him anyway.

For decisions I'm not so concerned about would be the Queen saving her I think like the keepers she will be able to change the signals and so her kids won't get to be pawns again she may even train them to kill themselves if she tells them to that sort of thing.

I don't think BW will go a psycho over hindering para players just like they won't go all psycho on hindering rens both will have positive effects and negative effects on the world.

For instance I think getting Samara killed regardless of alignment should make your world less safe to be in. Not blue para or ren red Tali and Legion should make it far more difficult for you to make both sides see peace sense no olive branch was given back then, Not getting the shep VI will mean shep will have to physically link into the VR world of the VR people found in Cerberus daily thereby risking his body will become high jacked w/o his knowledge as he is trying to persuade the VR world to assist against the reapers, Shep participating in Arrival will now be easier to hack by the reapers if players didn't download that they'll need to be hurt before they can be hacked,

All the husks we'll run into are not punishment or anything like that to our decisions. The husks are past reaperfied people those Rachni are the ones that are left from the war, the Krogans we'll be fighting will be husks from that war, the Asari we're fighting maybe the fist iteration of the Asari people before the reapers changed them over to be the singled gender melding with everybody gene copy machines they are today, ect. the only ones that are more recent are the human husks we see sense they were collected in ME and revamped in ME2.

Once the reapers start taking worlds over we may start to see Hanar, drell, better looking Asari husks, ect I think the most recent husks that they make will look different for instance the bloated belly Asari was probably the first iteration of the Asari back when there was both male and female any new Asari they get after say Asari space is taken over will be skinny but really fast with black biotic power Asari these quick and slender ones are the new add ins where as the bloated versions are the older ones make sense?

Hindrances will be gained and advantages gained for each side and space zombies aren't a punishment they're new cannon fodder.

Modifié par Destroy Raiden , 28 mai 2011 - 04:59 .

[Moiaussi]

Destroy Raiden wrote...

As a paragade I suspect letting the Virmire scientist live will come back to haunt me sense she can't seem to stay away from projects that screw people up for life. 

Which projects? Vermire she admitted was a mistake, but what was wrong with Okeer's work? He wasn't even helping the mercs.

[GenericPlayer2]

Moiaussi wrote...

Which projects? Vermire she admitted was a mistake, but what was wrong with Okeer's work? He wasn't even helping the mercs.

So you don't see Okeer as being in charge of some sort of futuristic eugenics project? Or do you see the end result (Grunt) as being a 'Captain America' of sorts for the Krogan?

[Seboist]

Moiaussi wrote...

Destroy Raiden wrote...

As a paragade I suspect letting the Virmire scientist live will come back to haunt me sense she can't seem to stay away from projects that screw people up for life. 

Which projects? Vermire she admitted was a mistake, but what was wrong with Okeer's work? He wasn't even helping the mercs.

Very convenient Rana thought her work was a "mistake" after the outer defenses of the base were smashed and a squad armed to the teeth stormed into her office.

[Someone With Mass]

Rana must really like to work with krogans.

[Senior Cinco]

Seboist wrote...
Very convenient Rana thought her work was a "mistake" after the outer defenses of the base were smashed and a squad armed to the teeth stormed into her office.

Yea...No kidding... 
ME1: Oh! I'm sorry, I knew this was wrong. I promise I'll never do anything like this again.
ME2: Gee..You got me...This time I really mean it though....
ME3: SUCKER!!!

[Moiaussi]

Senior Cinco wrote...

Seboist wrote...
Very convenient Rana thought her work was a "mistake" after the outer defenses of the base were smashed and a squad armed to the teeth stormed into her office.

Yea...No kidding... 
ME1: Oh! I'm sorry, I knew this was wrong. I promise I'll never do anything like this again.
ME2: Gee..You got me...This time I really mean it though....
ME3: SUCKER!!!

ME1, fair cop (although she could easily have been at least partially indoctrinated).

ME2, though, what in blazes was she doing wrong? I don't understand Shepard's accusation towards her at all.

[Moiaussi]

GenericPlayer2 wrote...

So you don't see Okeer as being in charge of some sort of futuristic eugenics project? Or do you see the end result (Grunt) as being a 'Captain America' of sorts for the Krogan?

Humans already engage in similar projects. There is a debate on the Citadel in ME1 as to whether a child should be subjected to gene therapy. It was considered controvertial but not illegal. Okeer's experiments seemed controlled. He even had a working failsafe. For once Shepard was having to fight against a failsafe rather than deal with an insufficient system.

[Senior Cinco]

Moiaussi wrote...

ME2, though, what in blazes was she doing wrong? I don't understand Shepard's accusation towards her at all.

The fact that she was working for another psyco, breeding a Krogan army, doesn't strike you as the least bid odd?
Come on... 
Even your squadmate said being too nice to people will come back to bite you in the shorts....

[Moiaussi]

Senior Cinco wrote...

Moiaussi wrote...

ME2, though, what in blazes was she doing wrong? I don't understand Shepard's accusation towards her at all.

The fact that she was working for another psyco, breeding a Krogan army, doesn't strike you as the least bid odd?
Come on... 
Even your squadmate said being too nice to people will come back to bite you in the shorts....

Pardon, but he was not building an army. He was focused on creating ONE perfect Krogan, as an example. He felt that the Krogan should be able to stand on their merits without needing huge numbers. He considered the Krogan reproductive rate a crutch that weakened the race.

[Senior Cinco]

Someone With Mass wrote...

I think the rachni being turned into husks is a "punishment" (seriously, that word is the new retcon) good enough. Most other decisions sounds like small potatoes to me.

I mean, just because it is a Paragon or Renegade decision doesn't mean I have to pick or like it if I'm either of those. That's the point in having choices.

That's another one to come back on you too. The Ranchi Queen's last plea...
ME1: Let me live please....I promise I'll help YOU. I PRPMISE. Just call and I'll be there.
ME3: Shep - OK! COME ON, I NEED YA...
Ranchi - Sorry Shep...Ineed your children to feed mine...SUCKER!!!

[Senior Cinco]

Moiaussi wrote...

Pardon, but he was not building an army. He was focused on creating ONE perfect Krogan, as an example. He felt that the Krogan should be able to stand on their merits without needing huge numbers. He considered the Krogan reproductive rate a crutch that weakened the race.

No...He wasn't...personally. But HE was under the comand of the psyco Blue Sun Chick that was. For Rana to even be there should be a red flag.

Modifié par Senior Cinco, 28 mai 2011 - 07:16 .

[SkittlesKat96]

I'm hoping once the Mass Effect trilogy has ended they can make another Mass Effect game with no renegade or paragon choices, instead it's all grey choices, choices that you have to decide are right and wrong. People who go back to a save because they chose something wrong can do that if they want but they aren't going to enjoy the game as much.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

Senior Cinco wrote...

Moiaussi wrote...

Pardon, but he was not building an army. He was focused on creating ONE perfect Krogan, as an example. He felt that the Krogan should be able to stand on their merits without needing huge numbers. He considered the Krogan reproductive rate a crutch that weakened the race.

No...He wasn't...personally. But HE was under the comand of the psyco Blue Sun Chick that was. For Rana to even be there should be a red flag.

The phrase under the comand is a little too strong... he was very lossly working with her at best. He was pushing out Krogan that wouldn't listen to the nut ball and ended up killing her own men. So Rana's work from that stand point is in no way building a Krogan army but building a select few perfect Krogan. Her involvment isn't a red flag to me she's someone who feels badly for the Krogan and want them to survive compared to her helping with Saren working with Ooker is several steps down from what she was doing at least from a threat level anyway.

[alx119]

SkittlesKat96 wrote...

I'm hoping once the Mass Effect trilogy has ended they can make another Mass Effect game with no renegade or paragon choices, instead it's all grey choices, choices that you have to decide are right and wrong. People who go back to a save because they chose something wrong can do that if they want but they aren't going to enjoy the game as much.

Amen to this XD 

[Senior Cinco]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

The phrase under the comand is a little too strong... he was very lossly working with her at best. He was pushing out Krogan that wouldn't listen to the nut ball and ended up killing her own men. So Rana's work from that stand point is in no way building a Krogan army but building a select few perfect Krogan. Her involvment isn't a red flag to me she's someone who feels badly for the Krogan and want them to survive compared to her helping with Saren working with Ooker is several steps down from what she was doing at least from a threat level anyway.

OK....I will try to explain my view this way. They are working together. The depth of the working relations are irrelevant IMO. I see it as an entire operation. Making Rana, Okeer, and whoever,  part of it. That makes them accomplices. It doesn't matter if your the driver or the extra guy in the back seat, your still part of it. The extent of her involvement is defined by her. I don't recall Okeer speaking of her. Though he may have. It's just too much of a coincidence, for me to buy into it. How do we really know she wasn't taking the rejects from Okeer and preping them for Jedore. Laying another witty escape plan for herself, in dialog with Shep.I'm about half way into ME1. I will pay a little closer attention to the diaolog when I get into ME2. I could be completely wrong about her. I just don't like it, from what I recall.

Modifié par Senior Cinco, 29 mai 2011 - 04:25 .

[lovgreno]

Senior Cinco wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

I think the rachni being turned into husks is a "punishment" (seriously, that word is the new retcon) good enough. Most other decisions sounds like small potatoes to me.

I mean, just because it is a Paragon or Renegade decision doesn't mean I have to pick or like it if I'm either of those. That's the point in having choices.

That's another one to come back on you too. The Ranchi Queen's last plea...
ME1: Let me live please....I promise I'll help YOU. I PRPMISE. Just call and I'll be there.
ME3: Shep - OK! COME ON, I NEED YA...
Ranchi - Sorry Shep...Ineed your children to feed mine...SUCKER!!!

Even though I like the rachni I would like such a scenario. Shepard needs to look like a fool now and then despite what renegade or paragon choices he made. I support at least one outburst of: "I WAS SUCH A IDIOT!" for every Shepard in ME3.

[Moiaussi]

Senior Cinco wrote...

No...He wasn't...personally. But HE was under the comand of the psyco Blue Sun Chick that was. For Rana to even be there should be a red flag.

Correction, Okeer was playing lip service to the Blue Suns. They weren't getting any army they could handle, and they were only getting his rejects. When Shepard arrived, it was pretty clear that the Blue Suns weren't getting any such thing. Moreover, Shepard condemned her actions before even talking to Okeer.