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[BluSoldier]

Clonedzero wrote...

all im going ot say is that im going to rage so hard if letting the rachni queen live turns out to be a huge help against the reapers.

i generally take a paragade view of things, but letting the rachni queen go seemed like the dumbest choice ever.

"lets release this queen of a telepathic hive minded creature who will have hordes of mindless rachni warrior slaves, has the ability to breed extremely fast and has the ability to mind control people wounded or not. also! lets not forget that it once almost entirely wiped out all other life in the galaxy! but oh wait! it said it wants to be nice ok lets let it go!"

ugh.

Yes, of cousre your logic makes sense.
/sarcasm
Are you serious? Yes they were a huge enemy to the galaxy before, but pnly becuase the reapers indoctrinated them.  Also, if there were any other surviving Queen eggs (if there was one, there could always be more), then killing her means that ANY surviving rachni queens WILL be your enemy.  It was never said anywhere that the rachni were extinct, either.  There may have been some that were not indoctrinated by the reapers that never got involved in the war.  If this is true, then killing the queen will turn potential HUGE allies against you.
/huge lawyerly argument

[CroGamer002]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Did I say that? Because what you quoted doesn't have me saying that.

The point is that your belief of 'Paragons hate TIM' is unsupported by the game: working/trusting/liking TIM/Cerberus isn't a consistent Paragon/Renegade point. Both Paragons AND Renegades get numerous opportunities to defend and be confronational vis-a-vis TIM and Cerberus. It's not a Paragon/Renegade issue.

'Paragons don't trust TIM' is about as true as 'Paragons romance Liara': there are Paragons who do, but there isn't an auto-correlation between 'Paragon' and 'X' in that case.

I agree, but I was talking in "top right Paragon and bottom left Renegade" way.



I do have 1 Paragon Shepard that thrusts Cerberus and Renegade one that hates them with passion.
Though I got Renegade or Paragon points for those choices in game.

[CroGamer002]

@BluSoldier

Hmh, it was said many times Rachni are extinct.

[BluSoldier]

Mesina2 wrote...

@BluSoldier

Hmh, it was said many times Rachni are extinct.

Pretty sure that it said they HAD NOT BEEN SEEN.  Does not mean they ae completely dead. And there could always be more eggs floating frozen in space.

[CroGamer002]

^Shepard was said many times to be dead even though body was never found nor his/hers death confirmed.

[Clonedzero]

BluSoldier wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

all im going ot say is that im going to rage so hard if letting the rachni queen live turns out to be a huge help against the reapers.

i generally take a paragade view of things, but letting the rachni queen go seemed like the dumbest choice ever.

"lets release this queen of a telepathic hive minded creature who will have hordes of mindless rachni warrior slaves, has the ability to breed extremely fast and has the ability to mind control people wounded or not. also! lets not forget that it once almost entirely wiped out all other life in the galaxy! but oh wait! it said it wants to be nice ok lets let it go!"

ugh.

Yes, of cousre your logic makes sense.
/sarcasm
Are you serious? Yes they were a huge enemy to the galaxy before, but pnly becuase the reapers indoctrinated them.  Also, if there were any other surviving Queen eggs (if there was one, there could always be more), then killing her means that ANY surviving rachni queens WILL be your enemy.  It was never said anywhere that the rachni were extinct, either.  There may have been some that were not indoctrinated by the reapers that never got involved in the war.  If this is true, then killing the queen will turn potential HUGE allies against you.
/huge lawyerly argument

stop metagaming.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

The galaxy is a big place it would be unwise to assume that all the Rachni that excist are the ones that we fought in the wars. If the Protheons taught us anything its that its very hard t find and wipe out every memeber of a specie and if you destroy the queen then it shows any potential Rachni that you aren't an ally.

[Seboist]

We're going to be fighting Rachni Husks no matter what guaranteed. If the queen is dead there'll be an alternate one liner describing them as cloned Cerberus examples.

[Moiaussi]

Clonedzero wrote...

[stop metagaming.

How is any of that metagaming? It is all speculative based on information in game. What you are basicly saying in your prior post is that if the Queen does turn out to be trustworthy, it will make you angry.

The Rachni are a sentient race. There doesn't have to be any indoctrination involved in the prior war at all for them to have learned from it that it would be a very very bad idea to try again. One side effect of a perfect memory is that you don't forget your mistakes, so it is easier to learn from them.

She also knows now that she can communicate with the other races, which didn't seem possible during the war. Diplomacy wasn't even an option for either side then. It is now.

She also knows that we give quarter. We are letting the Rachni have a second chance. That means she has reason to believe she might be able to trust us (Humans, if not the other races). Again, that wasn't available knowledge in the war.

None of that guarantees she is trustworthy, but it does make it believable if it turns out that she is.

[Seboist]

Moiaussi wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

[stop metagaming.

How is any of that metagaming? It is all speculative based on information in game. What you are basicly saying in your prior post is that if the Queen does turn out to be trustworthy, it will make you angry.

The Rachni are a sentient race. There doesn't have to be any indoctrination involved in the prior war at all for them to have learned from it that it would be a very very bad idea to try again. One side effect of a perfect memory is that you don't forget your mistakes, so it is easier to learn from them.

She also knows now that she can communicate with the other races, which didn't seem possible during the war. Diplomacy wasn't even an option for either side then. It is now.

She also knows that we give quarter. We are letting the Rachni have a second chance. That means she has reason to believe she might be able to trust us (Humans, if not the other races). Again, that wasn't available knowledge in the war.

None of that guarantees she is trustworthy, but it does make it believable if it turns out that she is.

Sure she's able to communicate with other races...... if you give her a steady supply of Asari to communicate through and that one she used on Illium didn't seem to be all right in the head from it.

[Someone With Mass]

Seboist wrote...

We're going to be fighting Rachni Husks no matter what guaranteed. If the queen is dead there'll be an alternate one liner describing them as cloned Cerberus examples.

I don't think that will work out, since it bit them hard in the ass last time they tried to clone rachni. 

[elaf000]

Basically if you are a ernegade you are an a&&*hole and kill everything, so being that people will put bounty's and want to kill you--> If this is the choice you made add extra missions related to renegades only which a paragon user will not get.
For paragon being a goody 2 shoes well you get some missions that a renegade won't get.

In the end both sides get different outcomes and certain missions and will make people play more so they can enjoy both sides of the coin.

[AngelicMachinery]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Seboist wrote...

We're going to be fighting Rachni Husks no matter what guaranteed. If the queen is dead there'll be an alternate one liner describing them as cloned Cerberus examples.

I don't think that will work out, since it bit them hard in the ass last time they tried to clone rachni. 

If they husk them,  there won't be a problem.

[Moiaussi]

Seboist wrote...

Sure she's able to communicate with other races...... if you give her a steady supply of Asari to communicate through and that one she used on Illium didn't seem to be all right in the head from it.

Many npc's don't seem right in the head after they run out of set dialogue. Not sure that is evidence of anything. Although it could prove the Thanix is unsafe... by explaining Garrus' obsession with calibrations.

And there is no evidence that a direct mind link would be detremental to either side. She would need an Asari 'translator' but long term, translation devices could be developed, even if it meant her having to tap things out in morse code or something.

Modifié par Moiaussi, 01 juin 2011 - 05:34 .

[CroGamer002]

Seboist wrote...

We're going to be fighting Rachni Husks no matter what guaranteed. If the queen is dead there'll be an alternate one liner describing them as cloned Cerberus examples.

This is just a assumption.

Nothing else.


And it makes no sense for Rachni to be cloned in only few months.

[Clonedzero]

Mesina2 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

We're going to be fighting Rachni Husks no matter what guaranteed. If the queen is dead there'll be an alternate one liner describing them as cloned Cerberus examples.

This is just a assumption.

Nothing else.


And it makes no sense for Rachni to be cloned in only few months.

theres cloned rachni in ME1....

they're all over the styx theta cluster. they're in the cerberus side missions as well. they're feral and hyper aggressive but they're still out there and reproducing.

[Someone With Mass]

What I've never understood is why they should reward the player for killing characters. Which they shouldn't unless we're talking about some really douchy characters.

[Dean_the_Young]

There are no cloned rachni in ME1. Nor are there any other Rachni reproduction methods going on.

All Rachni in ME1 were born from the Rachni Queen, the only fertile Rachni currently in known existence. All other Rachni are her children, whether totally insane (the Noveria Rachni) or somewhat developed (the Cerberus imports).

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 01 juin 2011 - 05:54 .

[Someone With Mass]

AngelicMachinery wrote...
If they husk them,  there won't be a problem.

I mean Cerberus. There's no reason for them to try that again.

[AngelicMachinery]

Someone With Mass wrote...

What I've never understood is why they should reward the player for killing characters. Which they shouldn't unless we're talking about some really douchy characters.

Personally,  I'd be fine if my reward was people attempting to kill my renegade Hawke for past slights.  I don't need rewards,  I just want some equal content.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

There are no cloned rachni in ME1. Nor are there any other Rachni reproduction methods going on.

All Rachni in ME1 were born from the Rachni Queen, the only fertile Rachni currently in known existence. All other Rachni are her children, whether totally insane (the Feros Rachni) or somewhat developed (the Cerberus imports).

FEROS rachni? You must mean Noveria.

[Dean_the_Young]

Someone With Mass wrote...

What I've never understood is why they should reward the player for killing characters. Which they shouldn't unless we're talking about some really douchy characters.

Define 'reward'. Carry-over consequences and acknowledgements should be expected, not a reward.

Mass Effect isn't a morality tale to support one side or another as well: frankly, a great number of the Paragon Big Decisions can be quite immoral from a number of perspectives: cases of sentiment getting in the way of safety and public well being.

[Dean_the_Young]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

There are no cloned rachni in ME1. Nor are there any other Rachni reproduction methods going on.

All Rachni in ME1 were born from the Rachni Queen, the only fertile Rachni currently in known existence. All other Rachni are her children, whether totally insane (the Feros Rachni) or somewhat developed (the Cerberus imports).

FEROS rachni? You must mean Noveria.

Aye, I do. My slip.

[Clonedzero]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

There are no cloned rachni in ME1. Nor are there any other Rachni reproduction methods going on.

All Rachni in ME1 were born from the Rachni Queen, the only fertile Rachni currently in known existence. All other Rachni are her children, whether totally insane (the Feros Rachni) or somewhat developed (the Cerberus imports).

uh, no thats not correct.

masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Rachni


they did clone a whole bunch of rachni. miranda even confirms it if you confront her about it.
also if you kill the rachni queen in ME2 theres a news report about finding an abandoned rachni cloning center.

in one of the ME1 rachni sidequests theres rooms with rachni eggs all over it as well.

[Clonedzero]

but my main point is, i REALLY dont want the rachni to be a "freebie" as an extra race to help fight the reapers in ME3. it shouldnt make a big difference, i dont want it to turn into "this choice is right, and this one was wrong so now you'll have a harder time"