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[Galahad56]

Eragondragonrider wrote...

This is the almighty Archdemon Bioware hello everyone, I am still feasting on the corpses in Ostagar. When I am done feasting for the holidays I will let you come here to play. LOL!! Happy Holidays everyone tis the season to be jolly.

Ha ha. Thus the DLC will be 10 minutes long and with no enemies whatsoever. You travel to ostagar, the map loads, you walk forward for 10 seconds, loot Duncan's corpse, turn and run for another 5 seconds, loot Calin, put on the armour and your done. Splendid!

[Darth_Trethon]

Am I the only one who thinks Duncan is still alive? I remember the devs.....david gaider I think.....correcting people once or twice for calling Shale he saying that we should be using "it" because a gollem is an object not a person......trickery.....we all know how that turned out....and I am highly suspicious that they are just misleading us about Duncan. We did not see him die.....we saw an axe swung in his direction and the image cutting out prior to the impact. Besides he is a rogue so that grand dexterity should have come into play and activate some axe-dodging skills.

[Galahad56]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Am I the only one who thinks Duncan is still alive? I remember the devs.....david gaider I think.....correcting people once or twice for calling Shale he saying that we should be using "it" because a gollem is an object not a person......trickery.....we all know how that turned out....and I am highly suspicious that they are just misleading us about Duncan. We did not see him die.....we saw an axe swung in his direction and the image cutting out prior to the impact. Besides he is a rogue so that grand dexterity should have come into play and activate some axe-dodging skills.

You do have a point about not actually seeing him die, however avoiding that blow plus all the other darkspawn that were running at him would be nigh impossible  after suffering so much as he did before taking out the ogre. Unless Flemeth grabs him before that darkspawn hacked his head off, and hid him somewhere for some unknown reason then i would say he is now a meal for the darkspawn.

[Darth_Trethon]

Hmmm.....the way I understood it was that the not very smart darkspawn aren't as good at sensing the wardens as the smarter ones so I see how he may have taken a couple more blows(not the axe to the head one though) and been left for dead.

[Jimmy Fury]

I doubt it would be Duncan just because the current DLC all fits so that it can be played at any point in the story. Just about everything Alistair says and does has something to do with Duncan being dead. Bringing Duncan back would mean they would have to redo virtually all of Alistair's dialogue, including all of the voice-over work, or else nothing he says would fit into the new continuity of Alive-Duncan. Thus it would be far far far too much work.



Seems more likely that if it's someone we've already met then it would be either the Ash Warrior or the defector (as someone else mentioned previously).

I'd prefer the ash warrior because that could potentially include a new specialization or some sort of upgrade for Dog that improves his stats and abilities.

Or i could be entirely biased because I thought the ash warrior was kind of hot and want him to be playable and romancable...

[Mahumia]

Hmm. I think it would give too much trouble if Duncan would still be alive. Wouldn't it give food to the 'you go sacrifice yourself so me and Alistair can live for another 30 years'-group? Unless it would be like "Hey peeps, I still life, but I go to Orzammar now anyway, cya!"... which would be even worse I guess

[Zepheera]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Am I the only one who thinks Duncan is still alive? I remember the devs.....david gaider I think.....correcting people once or twice for calling Shale he saying that we should be using "it" because a gollem is an object not a person......trickery.....we all know how that turned out....and I am highly suspicious that they are just misleading us about Duncan. We did not see him die.....we saw an axe swung in his direction and the image cutting out prior to the impact. Besides he is a rogue so that grand dexterity should have come into play and activate some axe-dodging skills.

We may not have seen him die, but it was pretty obvious that that last scene his shown from his viewpoint, then the screen flashing to white.  That's a pretty clear indicator that he was killed.

On another note, if he WASN'T killed, that would create a problem with the entire story line.  Without Duncan being dead, Alistair's motivation for revenge would be severely blunted, your character would most likely NOT be the leader (why would Alistair follow you intially when he's got Duncan, who is clearly his idol}, the leaders of the nations you have to recruit would be less likely to look to you, since Duncan IS the leader of the Fereldan grey wardens.  And the end of the game would not have the same impact and outcome, for reasons that are to spoilery to name. 

Long story short, Duncan living would have a major impact on the world, your quest, and the story of the entire game. 

[Galahad56]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Hmmm.....the way I understood it was that the not very smart darkspawn aren't as good at sensing the wardens as the smarter ones so I see how he may have taken a couple more blows(not the axe to the head one though) and been left for dead.

Darkspawn eat their enemies. Calin's army was vastly outnumbered remember so those that fell on the battlefield would only escape if they could summon the strength to run away. Take a look at the Ostagar battle video again. Duncan is on the ground before taking out the ogre, then he is badly wounded and is on the ground again after killing the ogre. If Duncan had the strength to run away then he wouldnt be stumbling, and falling to the ground.

On a further note about darkspawn eating the dead, if they vastly outnumbered Calin's army then that would mean at least around 2+ darkspawn per "meal", and after being underground so long, eating other darkspawn and whatnot, i am sure that the victory celebrations included a feast.

[Darth_Trethon]

Alistair doesn't have that much dialogue and the couple of grieving conversations can have a block switch placed on them to where they just don't happen if Duncan is found. The better half of all he says isn't really related to Duncan in any way....not about the templar training, eamon, sister, most of the questions about life with the other wardens save one part and duncan can be alive and still have the conversation mostly unaffected. There really isn't much to change or cut.

[Darth_Trethon]

If they'd been eaten there would be no body to loot now would there. The darkspawn drag the survivors underground but I am unsure whether they actually do something with the dead.

[Galahad56]

Zepheera wrote...

We may not have seen him die, but it was pretty obvious that that last scene his shown from his viewpoint, then the screen flashing to white.  That's a pretty clear indicator that he was killed.

On another note, if he WASN'T killed, that would create a problem with the entire story line.  Without Duncan being dead, Alistair's motivation for revenge would be severely blunted, your character would most likely NOT be the leader (why would Alistair follow you intially when he's got Duncan, who is clearly his idol}, the leaders of the nations you have to recruit would be less likely to look to you, since Duncan IS the leader of the Fereldan grey wardens.  And the end of the game would not have the same impact and outcome, for reasons that are to spoilery to name. 

Long story short, Duncan living would have a major impact on the world, your quest, and the story of the entire game. 

Correct. If he had miraculously escaped, then why stay in Ostagar, or remain out of the picture? He was a Grey Warden so the place for him to be would have been at the final battle, trying his best to aid you against the archdemon which is months after the battle for Ostagar (remember to travel from Orzamar to the Circle of Mages takes something like one or two weeks.) 

[TastyLaksa]

I think DLC we find out that Sandal is a grey warden too. He'll be the new party member. We go to ostagar and find a dying duncan and he says... ... Promise me one thing alistair... save my son sandal...... he's a grey warden...



Then he dies.



But then he wakes up again and says



and one more thing alistair.



Stop Whinning. When i say This Holiday season. I mean THIS HOLIDAY SEASON!



and he flies off into the wind with the bad guys. (or rides off into the sunset with chuck norris.)

with "War what is is good for!" in the background as music.

[Galahad56]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

If they'd been eaten there would be no body to loot now would there. The darkspawn drag the survivors underground but I am unsure whether they actually do something with the dead.

Now i am sure Duncan is dead unless there is some yet to be discovered miraculous intervention just after that scene when the screen goes white, but you raise a good point about Calin. If the darkspawn did eat tasty human flesh post-battle then i doubt they would try chewing dragon bone plate (assuming that is what Calin's armor is made from). So then unless their are some darkspawn bosses running around with Calin's gear on, then it would have to remain where he fell.

[Galahad56]

TastyLaksa wrote...

I think DLC we find out that Sandal is a grey warden too. He'll be the new party member. We go to ostagar and find a dying duncan and he says... ... Promise me one thing alistair... save my son sandal...... he's a grey warden...

Then he dies.

But then he wakes up again and says

and one more thing alistair.

Stop Whinning. When i say This Holiday season. I mean THIS HOLIDAY SEASON!

and he flies off into the wind with the bad guys. (or rides off into the sunset with chuck norris.)
with "War what is is good for!" in the background as music.

Lol, Duncan is still lying there dying from his wounds after months of your travels back and forth across Fereldon.

[Imryll]

I'm hoping the survivor who wants help is Fergus Cousland--and really don't want to play sister Ailidh further until I know it isn't.

[Galahad56]

Imryll wrote...

I'm hoping the survivor who wants help is Fergus Cousland--and really don't want to play sister Ailidh further until I know it isn't.

Excuse my ignorance but care to elaborate?

[Darth_Trethon]

Galahad56 wrote...

Imryll wrote...

I'm hoping the survivor who wants help is Fergus Cousland--and really don't want to play sister Ailidh further until I know it isn't.

Excuse my ignorance but care to elaborate?

Well Fergus is the human noble PC's brother and she doesn't want to play sister....what? Ailidh? What does that mean?

[TastyLaksa]

Galahad56 wrote...

TastyLaksa wrote...

I think DLC we find out that Sandal is a grey warden too. He'll be the new party member. We go to ostagar and find a dying duncan and he says... ... Promise me one thing alistair... save my son sandal...... he's a grey warden...

Then he dies.

But then he wakes up again and says

and one more thing alistair.

Stop Whinning. When i say This Holiday season. I mean THIS HOLIDAY SEASON!

and he flies off into the wind with the bad guys. (or rides off into the sunset with chuck norris.)
with "War what is is good for!" in the background as music.

Lol, Duncan is still lying there dying from his wounds after months of your travels back and forth across Fereldon.

A benevolent spirit of the fade was responsible for keeping him alive. Name of benevolent spirit of the fade being chuck norris.

[Galahad56]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Galahad56 wrote...

Imryll wrote...

I'm hoping the survivor who wants help is Fergus Cousland--and really don't want to play sister Ailidh further until I know it isn't.

Excuse my ignorance but care to elaborate?

Well Fergus is the human noble PC's brother and she doesn't want to play sister....what? Ailidh? What does that mean?

Yes, why? Whats wrong with that?

[Darth_Trethon]

I'm guessing she wants to kill Fergus? IDK. And who/what is Ailidh? Is that a word or a name?

[Metswiki772]

I can't wait until this is released, so the people who vehemently complain about how long it's taking for them to release it, can switch to complaining how buggy it is and how they should have at least taken the time to make sure it was bug free before they released it.

[Jimmy Fury]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

The better half of all he says isn't really related to Duncan in any way....not about the templar training, eamon, sister, most of the questions about life with the other wardens save one part...

The joys of different Convo options I guess. I remember every last one of those conversations ending with some sort of whiney sad mention of Duncan.
Plus there are conversations with other people (at least one person in every origin location because the story compensates for all the origins by mentioning that Duncan went everywhere looking for new recruits) that also mention Duncan's death.

Plus, as Zepheera pointed out, Alistair's motivation would completely change along with some cutscenes and my absolute favorite Alistair moment in the entire game (which I can't elaborate on for spoilery reasons). So would the leadership dynamics and probably interactions with leaders.

It just seems like too many changes, even if it's just locking out conversation options, for one DLC mission.

[ABCoLD]

Duncan is dead. Get over it. If he wasn't dead he'd take over control of the group from the main character and basically expect Alistair and Wynne to fall in line. Sten would follow as he'd have more to learn from an experienced Grey Warden. (And in some cases he'd be relieved he didn't have to follow a woman anymore.)



Alistair's entire motivation to be in the party would be pretty much destroyed as well. Also, the first thing Duncan would do is make all the party members Grey Wardens to help fight the blight.



He's dead. Get. Over. It.

[Darth_Trethon]

Well alive doesn't have to mean he's in any shape to fight, lead or travel for that matter. Plus Alistair said Duncan was nearing his end and would soon need to go in the deep roads so he may as well even name you the new leader since Alistair is plain unwilling to do it.

We might just see him one last time as he turns to go in the deep roads to die.

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 23 décembre 2009 - 05:57 .

[TastyLaksa]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Well alive doesn't have to mean he's in any shape to fight, lead or travel for that matter. Plus Alistair said Duncan was nearing his end and would soon need to go in the deep roads so he may as well even name you the new leader since Alistair is plain unwilling to do it.

We might just see him one last time as he turns to go in the deep roads to die.

Not before taking out like 200 darkspawn and 10 brood mothers.