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#3651
LSDS

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lisakover wrote...

No PS3/PSN updates till around January 3rd-5th, I can't remember the exact dates. So if Bioware is waiting to release all 3 versions at once, it is going to be a while.


PSN updates every Thursday.  So the next update will be Dec 31.  Next one after that will be Jan 7.

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LSDS wrote...

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... and an hour long DLC is not compelling enough to make anyone play through an 80+ hour game.


You're probably right.  Fortunately, we don't have to start over with a new game to play any of the DLC.  We can load up our last save and play from there.



Sure thats a posibility of course. From an economic stand point i think a large magority of players would not pay for the content just to load an old save game and get a hour of fun. Thus EA games looses money. However if they spent the time and made a 15 hour expansion i think most if not all the people who liked the game would buy it thus EA games makes lots of money.

Its funny how the right thing for their pocket book also is the right thing for the players

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people are saying they havnt got the time to play 80+ hours again just for the dlc were as most of the main complainants have probly spent near 80+ hours complaining on the forum.lol ok thatds a bit blunt and harsh but hey if you found time to play 80+ hours the first time araound your life cant be that busy unless uve had a major change in circumstances in the last month lol



i say just be pacient of just put down dao for a couple of months and come bk to it when a few dlc are out. mite be better and fresher that way. personnally im just waitng for mass effect 2 next month now + if u hav steam check out the uber crimbo savings!!! up 2 75% of 2009 release titles., keeping me busy :) !

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also to shorns point - does anyone know for defo that bioware havnt been producing a 10 - 15 hour dlc in parallel to these smaller dlc projects? i think people take 2 much emphasis on what bioware pr guys say in interviews months before release about dlc atr launch etc no company are guna dumb down there prouct and bioware have been truthful and released dlc at launch just not what people expected.

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I still don't see why there is a reason to complain, they already said its only going to be roughly an hour(not saying thats a bad thing) be heres how i see it going: You get all hyped up about a small dlc and then you complain because it late, but then it finally arrives and you cream your pants, you go ahead and download it and an hour later your even more pissed off because you want more.

Heres how i think Bioware expected it to go:

Damn there are people who've already beaten the game three times, lets go ahead and give them a little something extra and while we work on our big dlc, how bout we cut a small chunk off the big dlc (RtO) to quench there thirst for now, but so the customers dont leave us, well give them a reason to stay, lets go ahead and announce it and try to get people excited. Were not sure when well have it ready but weve had no problems with it so far, so this holiday season should give us a good timeline, holy sh*t more problems than we expected were trying to resolve them as soon as possible, ill have to log in overtime hours to get this fixed for our fans -2 days later- ok its christmas eve i cant do this right now i have to be with my family but ill get back on it as soon as i can..oh ok one more quik look -30 minutes later- ok ok i have to leave

now granted it might not of occured that way but you got to understand that Bioware has no intention of letting you guys down my guess is that within the next few days Rob will leave a post saying "PC version is uploading as we speak, Xbox and Ps3 are halfway through certification. Crisis averted" and if not no biggie its just a small game addon...now if this dlc were to be an expansion, HUGE, 15-20 hours of more gameplay and it gets delayed a month...theres the time to be pissed, but nows not the time


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yet again u missed the point brahh its how there is a FACT record of the last time they updated this thread. i can understand Vay-K as iam on one now but this has been going on for quite some time. there has been a serious gap in service not 24-48 hours like MANY have said we would be happy with one sentence from a friggin intern sayin what we all know. its not ready bioware is doing there best please be patient.. that would buy an easy 10 more days in my book

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Crimzon Nutcase wrote...

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i saw this an hour ago.

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maybe Rob wanted to say something but deleted his post?



Either that is a hell of a photoshop, or that's real and something big is coming and we have to prep.


Or he took this picture from the last time rob posted on this forum and posted it now to annoy us and make us smash or keyboard from the stress of an answer.Either way it is impossible that rob bartel posted a reply and deleted it before anyone can see what he was writing

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EricXIII wrote...

Or he took this picture from the last time rob posted on this forum and posted it now to annoy us and make us smash or keyboard from the stress of an answer.Either way it is impossible that rob bartel posted a reply and deleted it before anyone can see what he was writing


I vote for this option. I can't even get an edit to show immediately, so I highly doubt Rob posted something, left it up for 4 minutes, and deleted it without anyone reading it, quoting it, and responding to it.

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Silensfurtim

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EricXIII wrote...

Crimzon Nutcase wrote...

Silensfurtim wrote...

i saw this an hour ago.

Image IPB

maybe Rob wanted to say something but deleted his post?



Either that is a hell of a photoshop, or that's real and something big is coming and we have to prep.


Or he took this picture from the last time rob posted on this forum and posted it now to annoy us and make us smash or keyboard from the stress of an answer.Either way it is impossible that rob bartel posted a reply and deleted it before anyone can see what he was writing


hey i know what i saw. i dont wanna aggravate an already angry community. i wouldnt post anything like that if it werent real.

i thought my browser cache was fooling me but i reloaded a couple of times to see it go away and it didnt.  damnit, next time ill open up video capture instead of Snagit.

Modifié par Silensfurtim, 28 décembre 2009 - 08:18 .


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Silensfurtim wrote...

i thought my browser cache was fooling me but i reloaded a couple of times to see it go away and it didnt.  damnit, next time ill open up video capture instead of Snagit.


Forum glitch then, maybe. People would have been all over it had there been a post from him in here. A new one I mean.

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Silensfurtim wrote...

EricXIII wrote...

Crimzon Nutcase wrote...

Silensfurtim wrote...

i saw this an hour ago.

Image IPB

maybe Rob wanted to say something but deleted his post?



Either that is a hell of a photoshop, or that's real and something big is coming and we have to prep.


Or he took this picture from the last time rob posted on this forum and posted it now to annoy us and make us smash or keyboard from the stress of an answer.Either way it is impossible that rob bartel posted a reply and deleted it before anyone can see what he was writing


hey i know what i saw. i dont wanna aggravate an already angry community. i wouldnt post anything like that if it werent real.

i thought my browser cache was fooling me but i reloaded a couple of times to see it go away and it didnt.  damnit, next time ill open up video capture instead of Snagit.



No its not fake. it happened to me yesterday, i figured it was just a glitch

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and the conspiracies start again. *sigh*

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TastyLaksa wrote...

awsome_robot wrote...

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Torias wrote...

Last thing we heard was that it was still going through the Sony certification process.


screw sony

they can kiss my heiny




Yeah, blame sony for bioware's decision. What ever makes you sleep at night. There is more whinning and crying here than a Babies R' Us store.


Considering there is no Babies R' Us store, there can't possibly be less whinning here right? As long as there is one case of whinning we win. 1 > 0, anything > 0.




http://www.babiesrus...egoryId=2255957

What?

Google for the win.

Seriously though, I've been defending Bioware about all this but I'm a little irked to see there's been no update in 17 days from a Bioware rep.

As for the screenshot of Rob posting "4 minutes ago," some of you are saying it's an old screenshot. You could always take a look at the # of replies. The screenshot says "196147" and the reply count as of me posting this is "196268" I highly doubt that screenshot is 17 days old or that would mean the General Discussion forum has only had 121 replies posted in 17 days. Especially since this thread alone has gone from page 66 to page 147 in that amount of time.

Modifié par Gaius315, 28 décembre 2009 - 08:34 .


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damn glitch. buggy forum scripts fooling us and all that. i knew it wasnt browser cache because its impossible for a 17 day old post to just sprout out of nowhere.

Modifié par Silensfurtim, 28 décembre 2009 - 08:33 .


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Aaaaaaah, invisible post! Run!

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jennamarae wrote...

EricXIII wrote...

Or he took this picture from the last time rob posted on this forum and posted it now to annoy us and make us smash or keyboard from the stress of an answer.Either way it is impossible that rob bartel posted a reply and deleted it before anyone can see what he was writing


I vote for this option. I can't even get an edit to show immediately, so I highly doubt Rob posted something, left it up for 4 minutes, and deleted it without anyone reading it, quoting it, and responding to it.

I don't know I saw it too and it wasn't the first time I've seen the same thing happen, maybe a bug

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Dr Metzger wrote...

I don't know I saw it too and it wasn't the first time I've seen the same thing happen, maybe a bug


Probably. It's an awfully weird glitch though..

Maybe he forgot to turn stealth off when he posted? :bandit:

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jennamarae wrote...
Maybe he forgot to turn stealth off when he posted? :bandit:


LOL thats a good one. :ph34r:

Cheers

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Torias wrote...

That's if it's for the PC....

If you want to include the XBOX and PS3, it needs to go through both Microsoft and Sony certification processes at the end.

Last thing we heard was that it was still going through the Sony certification process.

And since DLC is a very new business model, with a limited audience (only the people who've already bought the game and are comfortable buying things over the internet), I'd guess they want to go for a simultaneous release to maximise their publicity of it (who knows if there is any marketing budget allocate to promote the DLC).


I have to question why Bioware would make each, platform-specific release, dependent on another platform's certification process?  If you intend to release anything post-title, why would you force customers to suffer for a specific platform's certification process?  

It's hard to believe that anyone would use the certification process for one platform to determine when something is released.  In fact, from a risk standpoint, that is foolhardy and quite a bit more costly since you have to wait to incur any type of revenue until the longest certification process is completed, even though the others may already be completed.  

Just seems like an inefficient and risky approach to releasing products, thats all.   Thanks for the updates, though.  Its much appreciated.  Cheers. 

Modifié par mycleverID, 28 décembre 2009 - 08:56 .


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I don't understand the people complaining about playing thorugh the game 80 hours again. Did you guys not have automatic epilogue saves or something? That's the purpose of it, so we can play DLC as it comes out even after we beat the game

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fanman72 wrote...

I don't understand the people complaining about playing thorugh the game 80 hours again. Did you guys not have automatic epilogue saves or something? That's the purpose of it, so we can play DLC as it comes out even after we beat the game


Because some people want the DLC to be more of a challenge than it will be if you go in with a lvl 20+ rogue DW with all the DW, stealth, and lockpicking skills. Going in with a new character that hasn't beaten the game yet makes it more of a challenge. Plus all those armor pieces are useless on an epilogue save, there's nowhere left in the game to wear them except around camp and where's the fun in that?

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fanman72 wrote...

I don't understand the people complaining about playing thorugh the game 80 hours again. Did you guys not have automatic epilogue saves or something? That's the purpose of it, so we can play DLC as it comes out even after we beat the game


Why end the game at all, though?  I think that is where a lot of the frustration is rooted.   If you sacrifice yourself, then an epilogue is a good choice, though; why keep it confined to the party camp?  There are lots of ways around the problem that DAO presents, and I think many people question why BioWare would even choose to utilize the epilogue in the way that they did; a castrated state from which to play DLC is not what I was hoping for.  

So lets say you don't sacrifice yourself.  Why can't I travel back to Redcliffe and finish some side quests?  

Again, I think its the fact that the "epilogue" was not though through very well.  It seems more like a last minute "yeah, this will let people play DLC but nothing else" type of an effort instead of something more robust and well-thought out.  

I, for one, am disappointed in the constraints placed on character in the epilogue, though; I have enough game saves to bring my character back to just before the landsmeet so its not a significant problem.  However, I think the consensus is that there are more intuitive and clever ways to make the epilogue more usable instead of a static environment where you can only play DLC.  

Modifié par mycleverID, 28 décembre 2009 - 09:05 .


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I wish people had better things to do than to sit and complain about two great companies. I for one will be downloading when it is ready no matter what anyone else says, because I have my own mind and can think for myself thank you all. I believe both companies involved with DAO have done an incredible job. I enjoyed WK (minus the never returning inside which nullified the whole " keep me informed of your findings" bit) I will admit being a bit irked also at not being able to visit other places I have been, seeing as the epilogue save is supposed to take place before the big battle. but on the whole the DLC's keep me satisfied, for a fair price, and in sizes that are manageable ( maybe some of you forget that not everyone has a cable internet or T1 line) ( in my case SBC kinda dumped on me that I can only have the cheapest plan in my area because they dont have the proper relays where I am to provide higher service and I have to share my connection with 4 other people at the same time) so these dlc's are perfect for me. back on subject though, are there any other perks to starting over and doing this as part of the main story? the perks with WK were the storage and the forging of a new weapon I wont mention since not everyone has done that. and really people, 5 dollars isnt that much, if Biware and EA wanted to Milk us, they could charge a monthly fee upfront and let us just hope another dlc comes out, instead of letting their income depend on maybe they will buy it maybe they wont. I have only 1 request though, and this isn't bioware specific, game companies need to stop treating PC versions like the holy grail, like the toolsets, you shouldn't offer one thing or ability to one version of a game that isnt available to all of them. I said it isnt specific to bioware, I hate the fact that only pc users get geck in Fallout 3, they just HAD to make something special that makes console users feel lesser than pc users.

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does any1 know what the release date is????

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I've been thinking about how amusing it would be if they just released it and told no one. I know that won't happen, but it would be pretty funny if we went a day or so with it available.