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#4176
Fernando Melo

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A quick update now that the official press release and site updates are underway.

Why Jan 5?

We really wanted to get this out sooner, hence the original announcement. 

After that announcement was made we spotted some issues during testing that we wanted to address, and we wanted to add an achievement/trophy to the DLC for all 3 platforms.  The combination of these required us to strip out a lot of fixes planned and move up our first title update (patch) for the consoles in order to try to still hit our date.  This in turn required a re-submission to MS/Sony and re-cert for PC. 

Given the entry into holiday season, everyone - ourselves, EA cert, and MS/Sony was beginning to reduce their crews.  Even then, all were still pulling in everyone they could and threw in weekends as needed to try to hit the date. 

All of this kept the DLC release date on the knife-edge of whether we would make xmas or not.  In the end we missed it and did not have an exact release date from MS or Sony that we could communicate - and we wanted our next official update to be a new release date and not leave you folks hanging indefinitely.

So not an ideal release compared to our original goal, but we hope Jan 5 is not too much longer of a wait - we also put out the video for it to give you a better taste of what to expect.

Price
Originally we did talk about lowering the price for this, but it was decided to leave it at $4.99 for PS3, 400 MS Points for X360, and 400 BioWare Points for PC. 

There is an error on the add-ons page at the time of this post which appears to indicate PS3 is more expense - this is not correct, and is being ammended.  The official press release is correct on the pricing - which has the above prices I just listed.

PS3/Mac not getting the love?
Not at all.  There's a couple different things at play for why this is the case. 

For PS3 - the PS3 price appearing higher is an error, which is being addressed.  The date being later is due to Sony's longer submission timelines for all content - DLC or full games.  Once we made the re-submission as described above, this basically pushed out the PS3 date a few weeks later from the expected exit from MS cert for 360, or EA cert for PC.  Normally we always try to take this longer timeline into account in our scheduling so things release around the same time - it is not always possible though.

For Mac - there are some technical hurdles we are still working on with how to deliver future DLC (incl RtO) to the Mac.  If you follow the PC tech support threads, you'll notice that the current system does not work for all our players - something we're busy improving for an upcoming patch, and we wanted to deliver some of these improvements to the Mac.   Seeing as launch DLC content is available as part of the game download, we wanted to take the time to figure that out for all future DLC - even if it meant a slight delay (hopefully only for RtO) DLC in the short term for Mac.  It'll come soon, and our goal is to provide the same level of features and content as PC.


Hope that helps clarify what has been happening.  Please note that as we belong to a public company we usually cannot discuss or announce things ahead of official releases. 

Also, seeing a lot of the recent posts on here, it is worth pointing out that nearly every BioWare or Moderator post you see on these forums is from someone volunteering their personal time. 

Even with all the shenanigans at times, we do enjoy being on here and having this dialog with all of you (or wouldn't be doing it) ;)   but particularly around the holiday season be aware that most folks are probably not going to be around, or may be quickly catching up and doing some moderating, but not necessarilly posting.  So while there are some dedicated folks (points to web and PR guys doing updates for RtO as we speak) coming in these days, we're officially back in office starting Jan 4th.

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tymay33 wrote...

sorry i meant specilization


Ahh. I went Ranger/Bard this time. Hadn't gone Bard before so I figured I'd give it a shot.

#4178
TastyLaksa

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Aw no price decrease. Shucks.

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Lady_Intimidator

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I find I play as a warrior a lot. I have yet to get past Ostagar with my mage, and I dont remember where my rogue is...



In any case, going back to the topic of DLC... I also want to see something that is more then a hour long. I want to see new party members, new weapons and armor and skills for all classes. I'd like to see an expantion on things like hair styles and colors (I want black hair darn it!) I want to see something that will have me on the edge of my seat like the whole of the game did, and often still does.

I want to see more humor! Really, bioware, you should make your party or npcs react if you walk around with out clothes on! and/or make it so you can jump into the convos your party members have behind your back!

Alister: "so have you told her tha-" NPC: "Told me what?" Party: O____O;;;; nvm warden...



I also think it would be epic to do an arena like thing. Not like the proving, but something more Fable 1 like, where you fight through several rounds of creatures, from weak hounds, and bandits to hords of darkspawn and orges all these battles leading up to the final round against a dragon! or some other wicked and challenging enemy! And with each round the money you make grows until all the blood has been spilled and the arena is littered in the remains of those you have battled! and you have one fame, and gold.. and maybe some awesome items, and what have you not!



...er...anyways...cant wait for RtO to come out!

#4180
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@Fernando: I, for one, appreciate the official update.

#4181
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Fernando Melo wrote...

A quick update now that the official press release and site updates are underway.

Why Jan 5?

We really wanted to get this out sooner, hence the original announcement. 

After that announcement was made we spotted some issues during testing that we wanted to address, and we wanted to add an achievement/trophy to the DLC for all 3 platforms.  The combination of these required us to strip out a lot of fixes planned and move up our first title update (patch) for the consoles in order to try to still hit our date.  This in turn required a re-submission to MS/Sony and re-cert for PC. 

Given the entry into holiday season, everyone - ourselves, EA cert, and MS/Sony was beginning to reduce their crews.  Even then, all were still pulling in everyone they could and threw in weekends as needed to try to hit the date. 

All of this kept the DLC release date on the knife-edge of whether we would make xmas or not.  In the end we missed it and did not have an exact release date from MS or Sony that we could communicate - and we wanted our next official update to be a new release date and not leave you folks hanging indefinitely.

So not an ideal release compared to our original goal, but we hope Jan 5 is not too much longer of a wait - we also put out the video for it to give you a better taste of what to expect.

Price
Originally we did talk about lowering the price for this, but it was decided to leave it at $4.99 for PS3, 400 MS Points for X360, and 400 BioWare Points for PC. 

There is an error on the add-ons page at the time of this post which appears to indicate PS3 is more expense - this is not correct, and is being ammended.  The official press release is correct on the pricing - which has the above prices I just listed.

PS3/Mac not getting the love?
Not at all.  There's a couple different things at play for why this is the case. 

For PS3 - the PS3 price appearing higher is an error, which is being addressed.  The date being later is due to Sony's longer submission timelines for all content - DLC or full games.  Once we made the re-submission as described above, this basically pushed out the PS3 date a few weeks later from the expected exit from MS cert for 360, or EA cert for PC.  Normally we always try to take this longer timeline into account in our scheduling so things release around the same time - it is not always possible though.

For Mac - there are some technical hurdles we are still working on with how to deliver future DLC (incl RtO) to the Mac.  If you follow the PC tech support threads, you'll notice that the current system does not work for all our players - something we're busy improving for an upcoming patch, and we wanted to deliver some of these improvements to the Mac.   Seeing as launch DLC content is available as part of the game download, we wanted to take the time to figure that out for all future DLC - even if it meant a slight delay (hopefully only for RtO) DLC in the short term for Mac.  It'll come soon, and our goal is to provide the same level of features and content as PC.


Hope that helps clarify what has been happening.  Please note that as we belong to a public company we usually cannot discuss or announce things ahead of official releases. 

Also, seeing a lot of the recent posts on here, it is worth pointing out that nearly every BioWare or Moderator post you see on these forums is from someone volunteering their personal time. 

Even with all the shenanigans at times, we do enjoy being on here and having this dialog with all of you (or wouldn't be doing it) ;)   but particularly around the holiday season be aware that most folks are probably not going to be around, or may be quickly catching up and doing some moderating, but not necessarilly posting.  So while there are some dedicated folks (points to web and PR guys doing updates for RtO as we speak) coming in these days, we're officially back in office starting Jan 4th.


Thanks for the update, and l dont mind waiting a little longer as a PS3 user, it usually...usually..means less bugs.

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TastyLaksa wrote...

Aw no price decrease. Shucks.


ah, dude, I dont know what world you live in, but $5 is pretty cheap o.o

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Crimzon Nutcase wrote...

tymay33 wrote...

unroguelike wrote...

Errr.. it says USD5 on the information page. How is that a price drop? Am I missing something?


thats not updated click "more info"


I had the version where it said 320 msps, and figured I'll refresh it, I did and now it says 400msps....what teh hex?


Holy sh*tcicle what just happened?:huh:

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Fernando Melo wrote...
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Next time, don't announce a release date unless it's final, and don't announce a "price being lowered" unless it's final. Also, put less spoilers in the DLC descriptions.
And while you develop the patches, work on an option to hide the DLC sellers.

#4185
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Will the Xbox 360 title update available on the same day as RtO or earlier?

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jennamarae wrote...

tymay33 wrote...

sorry i meant specilization


Ahh. I went Ranger/Bard this time. Hadn't gone Bard before so I figured I'd give it a shot.


Thats probly the best for an archer. i used to think bards sucked until i got the last ability for liliana and boy was i surprised. Ranger is good so your pet can keep the aggro...and if it cant atleast spider can use web:D

#4187
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Rodro Lliv wrote...

Fernando Melo wrote...
 


Next time, don't announce a release date unless it's final, and don't announce a "price being lowered" unless it's final. Also, put less spoilers in the DLC descriptions.
And while you develop the patches, work on an option to hide the DLC sellers.


And next time try not to order people around ;)

#4188
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watch the trailer.. you can see the oger that duncan killed when he stabbed him with his swords.. it still lives and the swords are right where duncan left them... ;DD

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tymay33 wrote...

Crimzon Nutcase wrote...

tymay33 wrote...

unroguelike wrote...

Errr.. it says USD5 on the information page. How is that a price drop? Am I missing something?


thats not updated click "more info"


I had the version where it said 320 msps, and figured I'll refresh it, I did and now it says 400msps....what teh hex?





Holy sh*tcicle what just happened?:huh:


IDK my bff Alistair.

Modifié par Crimzon Nutcase, 29 décembre 2009 - 06:49 .


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All I wanna know is... cans I have Duncan's armour?

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Fernando Melo wrote...

So not an ideal release compared to our original goal, but we hope Jan 5 is not too much longer of a wait - we also put out the video for it to give you a better taste of what to expect.

 


Firstly, thank you for the update.  

Per the above quote, I think the only drawback to the delay is the decrease is revenue that you'll see from the DLC package.  Its too bad that BW will miss out on the most prominent vacation week in the US.  

I also hope BW watches the release schedule for other games when planning other DLC packs.  With ME2, and many other AAA titles coming out early next year, it'll be tough to maximize your potential profit if you release DLC on the same day as a AAA title is released.  

Thanks again.  Cheers. 

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Fernando Melo wrote...

The date being later is due to Sony's longer submission timelines for all content - DLC or full games.  Once we made the re-submission as described above, this basically pushed out the PS3 date a few weeks later from the expected exit from MS cert for 360, or EA cert for PC.  Normally we always try to take this longer timeline into account in our scheduling so things release around the same time - it is not always possible though.


Thanks for the update, well as a ps3 user I have to live with this :P

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Thanks for the update, Fernando! And I don't see it as late. 12 days of Christmas and all that! :-)

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Lady_Intimidator wrote...

I find I play as a warrior a lot. I have yet to get past Ostagar with my mage, and I dont remember where my rogue is...

In any case, going back to the topic of DLC... I also want to see something that is more then a hour long. I want to see new party members, new weapons and armor and skills for all classes. I'd like to see an expantion on things like hair styles and colors (I want black hair darn it!) I want to see something that will have me on the edge of my seat like the whole of the game did, and often still does.
I want to see more humor! Really, bioware, you should make your party or npcs react if you walk around with out clothes on! and/or make it so you can jump into the convos your party members have behind your back!
Alister: "so have you told her tha-" NPC: "Told me what?" Party: O____O;;;; nvm warden...

I also think it would be epic to do an arena like thing. Not like the proving, but something more Fable 1 like, where you fight through several rounds of creatures, from weak hounds, and bandits to hords of darkspawn and orges all these battles leading up to the final round against a dragon! or some other wicked and challenging enemy! And with each round the money you make grows until all the blood has been spilled and the arena is littered in the remains of those you have battled! and you have one fame, and gold.. and maybe some awesome items, and what have you not!

...er...anyways...cant wait for RtO to come out!


see my post  social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/9/index/503222

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ABCoLD wrote...

tymay33 wrote...

ABCoLD wrote...

I can't wait to pull that sword out of the Ogre's chest... I wonder if there will be a unique kill animation for it. Having Duncan's Sword and Shield would rock my socks off.


Duncan was a dual wielder...:)

I know, he still had a shield. :P



EDIT:  no i just watched the ostagar scene and he didnt have one, where are you seeing this?

Modifié par tymay33, 29 décembre 2009 - 07:05 .


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I heard we will be able to explore Duncan's past more fully, so i have to ask, does that mean a potential trip to Highever? Alistair comments that he thinks Duncan was from there and it'd be a nice treat for Human Nobles.

Duncan doesn't have his shield in the battle because its in Denerim. its a gift for Alistair.

Modifié par Scotsman284, 29 décembre 2009 - 07:06 .


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tymay33 wrote...

EDIT:  no i just watched the ostagar scene and he didnt have one, where are you seeing this?


He didn't have it with him, but he did own one.

Modifié par jennamarae, 29 décembre 2009 - 07:07 .


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Scotsman284 wrote...

I heard we will be able to explore Duncan's past more fully, so i have to ask, does that mean a potential trip to Highever? Alistair comments that he thinks Duncan was from there and it'd be a nice treat for Human Nobles.

Duncan doesn't have his shield in the battle because its in Denerim. its a gift for Alistair.


youve lost me maybe im forgetting something

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I am really looking forward to this =D

Thank you for keeping us informed guys.

Modifié par mk_gr, 29 décembre 2009 - 07:12 .


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Alistair mentions he would like something to remember Duncan by and i think during the Landsmeet Riordan will mention a cache of Grey Warden items hidden in Denerim. You can go there and among other items is Duncan's shield. Give it to Alistair as a gift and he uses it.