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awsome_robot

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Khranashil wrote...

"PS3 version shipping later" Damn you sony!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >:(



at least we are getting dlc, i'm grateful for that... besides, if the content sucks, you can read reviews about it before making the purchase on impulse.

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HighlandBerserkr wrote...

Jan 5, later in the month for PS3 FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK ARRRRRRRRRRRRRGH i am getting SICK OF THIS MOTHER F'ing console wat why must one side always suffer, completely unfair, thanks a lot Bioware.



One, sony certification process takes a little longer than MS, and two, the people running the ps store are on vacation and won't have new content until january 7th, which means they'll be a week "behind schedule" at the moment... how is this bioware's fault?

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awsome_robot wrote...

HighlandBerserkr wrote...

Jan 5, later in the month for PS3 FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK ARRRRRRRRRRRRRGH i am getting SICK OF THIS MOTHER ****g console wat why must one side always suffer, completely unfair, thanks a lot Bioware.



One, sony certification process takes a little longer than MS, and two, the people running the ps store are on vacation and won't have new content until january 7th, which means they'll be a week "behind schedule" at the moment... how is this bioware's fault?


Its not, thats the point.   Why would anyone talk of a release date without having complete control throughout the delivery process.  The fact that BW didn't account for the different cert. times is where some of the angst spawns from.   Also, this should also be a learning experience for BW so that they will not try to release DLC at the same time on all platforms due to the different cert times.   

Fun stuff.  :lol:

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 Well, great timing Bioware. I am juist having my second week of holidays, as most people around, yet you wisely decided to make a release when everybody is back in work or at school :pinched:

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Embrosil wrote...

 Well, great timing Bioware. I am juist having my second week of holidays, as most people around, yet you wisely decided to make a release when everybody is back in work or at school :pinched:


I expressed my concern about this as well.  However, BW stated that they did try to get it out in time however bugs and additional features delayed it.   

Personally, when I'm asked to get something done that will provide my company with additional revenue and the possibly of a raise or bonus, I tend to get it done on time.  Though, software programming tends to be more of an exercise in trial and error troubleshooting so who knows what could have happened. 

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DLC is nothing but a scam.

So this Return to Ostagar cost $4.99 for about and hour worth of playtime.
Let's say the original Dragon age origins is on average 60 hours long and it cost $60, that is $1 per hour.
This DLC cost 5 times as much, hence it is highway robbery.

I absolutely hate DLC, it is the most pointless garbage invented and a money grab.

Either make FULL expansions for many hours of game play or start working on a sequel.
I love Bioware, but this has got to stop, it is starting to tarnish their reputation soon.

Modifié par finc.loki, 30 décembre 2009 - 07:25 .


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Jimmy Fury

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aaaand I no longer care about the delay on the ps3 version because I just swapped my copy out for the 360 version.



and I'm very happy that I did because now I actually *will* get the blood dragon armor in Mass Effect 2...

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i cant find the PS3 release date anywhere, its in january right?

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Chemi Orion wrote...

i cant find the PS3 release date anywhere, its in january right?


There's no hard date for the PS3 version yet.  Just says released later.

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come on, this $ per hour garbage should stop, many great games offer only 5-10 hours of gameplay, mmos on the other hand would be way to cheap by this reasoning.

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finally we get an answer and a date. now just awaiting the PS3 date.

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finc.loki wrote...
So this Return to Ostagar cost $4.99 for about and hour worth of playtime.
Let's say the original Dragon age origins is on average 60 hours long and it cost $60, that is $1 per hour.
This DLC cost 5 times as much, hence it is highway robbery.


Not if the 1 hour of RtO is 5 times more kickass than an average playhour of the main game ;)


But as i've said, i buy my playhours as bundles of absolute minimum of 3 :D

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now bioware the dlc pointless thing should stop. and it time to make a big expansion pack. i think u guy have alot to learn from bethesda.

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No, no they don't.

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Wait.



What happened to the price drop down to $4? You're really charging $5 for an hours worth of content?

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Seifz wrote...

Wait.

What happened to the price drop down to $4? You're really charging $5 for an hours worth of content?


No drop, a 5-spot is the price of admission.  There wasn't much of an explination, unless I missed it.

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shantisands wrote...

 I for one am excited about this content, but of course perhaps it is because i am currently wound up in the story, emotional investment if you will. ( This coming from a girl who has her elven characters on hold until i can finish one complete round with full options as a human noble) I cannot say whether the pack, (coming in under an hour or not) is worth the price yet as i have not yet played it through. It could very well be absolutely perfect if it provides some story relevant payoff. I withhold judgement on that until i play it through.

That said, as much as i *love* the armour, I think its just a mite creepy to think you are wearing a dead mans clothes, especially ones you cared about. Sure of course they are incredibly attractive but given the amount of reminiscing you hear from certain "friends" in the game, you would think that the remains would be a bit more holy-grail-ish than " Wow, uber-loot I am teh sexay now-ish"  Perhaps I am thinking more *inside* the game than with my head however.... that and i am normally rogue although mage is very cool so far too ;)

DLC is nice to have available. i also appreciate the games full willingness to automatically provide toolkits that allow us to expand our own experience of the game. I was a skinner and model creator in my other RL playable characters lives *snickers* so that is just a fabulous bonus for me to be able to play and incorporate that into such a fabulous game. One might think they are giving people the tools that take away the *necessity* of DLC but I think that is marketings job of making you *think* they are necessary to your experience, but not the purpose of them by existing in your game. That made more sense in my head than on the screen here though however :P

I would adore expansions, a LOT as I love this game! It's amazing, which is why we are all clamoring for more of course :) I think that the *scale* of the story should determine dlc packs vs expansion. dlc content packs should happen within the same general "era" with same characters etc. What tears at me is in saying that it makes it less likely that the companions that I personally have come to enjoy being a part of *my* story would be around 100+ years later. The workaround of course is having the main characters in the expansions be the relatives ( children or grandchildren or whatnot) but maintain the similar appearance and personality traits.

I could care less about the armour given my pcs attachment to those she has "lost". I'm saying this despite wanting Duncan to be a playable character as a mod - or a party member! $5 for another part of the story may be perfect, i will wait to see ---


--- finding Duncan is alive however.... I am sure Bioware would not like to guess how much i would pay for *that* 

:whistle:


Yeah I'm sure Duncan is dead If he's alive He's going to want his shield back from Alistar and then there will be whining again. I just don't need that headache. lol;)

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Sharuko wrote...

The point is I rather have 2 hours of enjoyment than 1 hour (or even as little as 30 minutes as stated)


Well i would rather have Claudia Black herself included with the purchase...:P

Yes. I dont think anyone here wouldn't want more playing time (as long as it is well done). More content for less money is not something i would complain about. But to be honest. RtO is at the most 1$ overpriced, and 1$ is not that much to complain about.

I cant see how they are going to pay all developer/testers/for the marketing and distributers and every one else that cost money while developing DLC and then get a decent profit for the company, if they are selling it for 1-2$ like some (not you ) have said they should. Not everyone buys DLC. I would be surprised if the DLC-crowd exceeds 5% of the entire Dragon Age consumer base, so it will cost more for less compared the the main game. And remember, even if they sell 5 million copies of this DLC for 1$, they would still lose money if the cost of selling one copy is 1.1$

Modifié par Ninjatroll, 30 décembre 2009 - 09:39 .


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Ninjatroll wrote...

Sharuko wrote...

The point is I rather have 2 hours of enjoyment than 1 hour (or even as little as 30 minutes as stated)


Well i would rather have Claudia Black herself included with the purchase...:P

Yes. I dont think anyone here wouldn't want more playing time (as long as it is well done). More content for less money is not something i would complain about. But to be honest. RtO is at the most 1$ overpriced, and 1$ is not that much to complain about.

I cant see how they are going to pay all developer/testers/for the marketing and distributers and every one else that cost money while developing DLC and then get a decent profit for the company, if they are selling it for 1-2$ like some (not you ) have said they should. Not everyone buys DLC. I would be surprised if the DLC-crowd exceeds 5% of the entire Dragon Age consumer base, so it will cost more for less compared the the main game. And remember, even if they sell 5 million copies of this DLC for 1$, they would still lose money if the cost of selling one copy is 1.1$



Yep Claudia Black I would not kick her out of bed for eating crackers. :)

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Ryldaun wrote...

come on, this $ per hour garbage should stop, many great games offer only 5-10 hours of gameplay, mmos on the other hand would be way to cheap by this reasoning.




I agree.  I finished Call of Duty MW2 campaign in about 6 hours of play.  While a great game, that was too short for my full liking.  If $5 will get me another 1-2 hours in Ferelden, then I'm good!

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wow finally we get a release date...and i just browsed the posts, and still the whining goes on..amazing...I'm just always floored at how short sighted and impatient peeps are..i need to laugh at this..



hmm maybe the shippers father will die in an accident and delay the release date a day..ohh the horror, a full day later...who died?..ohh who cares right..lol

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masicmarty wrote...

wow finally we get a release date...and i just browsed the posts, and still the whining goes on..amazing...I'm just always floored at how short sighted and impatient peeps are..i need to laugh at this..

hmm maybe the shippers father will die in an accident and delay the release date a day..ohh the horror, a full day later...who died?..ohh who cares right..lol


Agreed I'm just happy they gave us a update and $5 is not a lot to spend on a DLC. They may have been able to limit the many pages of whining by giving us this update prior to Christmas. But they came through and it's only 6 days away now till release so let's just bask in the thought that we will return to Ostagar soon. :)

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Fernando Melo wrote...

Rodro Lliv wrote...

Next time, don't announce a release date unless it's final, and don't announce a "price being lowered" unless it's final. Also, put less spoilers in the DLC descriptions.


That's always the intent. Best laid plans and all. ;) 

Rodro Lliv wrote...
And while you develop the patches, work on an option to hide the DLC sellers.


We are looking into what we can do for these.  There are other things that we feel need addressing with DLC  and delivery that are taking priority at the moment.

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I think the only drawback to the delay is the decrease is revenue that you'll see from the DLC package.  Its too bad that BW will miss out on the most prominent vacation week in the US. 


Yes, it is definitely going to have a big impact and was a blow for the team - we really wanted this out for fans before xmas.  But the plan is always to keep an eye on the longer term view - it does us no good to cut corners short term.


JanHenDAO wrote...
Will the Xbox 360 title update available on the same day as RtO or earlier?

Yes.  The plan is to have the TU for X360 and PS3 update on the day of release of the DLC.




This response by Melo sold the DLC to me. BIOWARE YOU SHOULD PAY THIS MAN MORE.:wizard:

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Bomfy wrote...

Seifz wrote...

Wait.

What happened to the price drop down to $4? You're really charging $5 for an hours worth of content?


No drop, a 5-spot is the price of admission.  There wasn't much of an explination, unless I missed it.


Yeah.  I want an explanation, since apparently feedback from the community was the initial inspiration for the price cut.  What happened?

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It's always the people in which the situation fits perfectly to their liking (in this case the ones who like throwing away money while making bad comparisons, and the ones who probably do nothing with their lives so jan. 5 doesn't affect them) who come to this forum to tell us to stop complaining.